Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[colfax_m]

The Israeli attack was an accident

The claim is that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was an "accident..."

Let's review the transcript reported by Israeli media outlet HAARETZ.....


'But sir, it’s an American ship.' 'Never mind, hit her!' When Israel attacked USS Liberty


Israeli pilot to IDF war room: This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Yes, follow orders.

Israeli pilot to IDF war room: But sir, it’s an American ship - I can see the flag!

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Never mind; hit it.





And if you don't agree with AZOG that the above "proves" the Israeli attack and murder of US Naval personnel was an "accident," Azog will insult you and request that you be banned here....

You’re supposed to blindly support Israel no matter what and failure to do so means you hate all Jews or something stupid. You’re not supposed to think. Just do as Trump supporters say.

You of course may think but Israel is a democracy so if you hate Israel you hate the Jews as they elected their leadership and policies. Pretty straightforward.

That’s idiotic. There’s as about many Jews in this country as all of Israel. Of course, some Republicans do want us to know that some Jews aren’t really Jews. Some of them are fake Jews.

idiotic? It is the only mostly Jewish country and a Democracy so if you vilify Israel, what exactly are you vilifying? Please explain? Its rivers and roads?

I don’t believe in vilifying anyone but I will criticize policy if I disagree with it.

Let’s use your framing in a similar context. If you vilify Democrats, are you racist against black people? After all, they’re the party with the most black voters.

Of course not. You’re just trying to shut down rational criticism by hiding behind the allegation of anti-Semitism. It’s pathetic.

 

[j-mac]

Why not? I mean, I don't begruge anyone for using the tax codes to minimize their taxes....That's what you should do.

It was a loophole. I don’t begrudge people for using the tax code for what it clearly intended but Trump’s tax law was really badly constructed and could be used to lower taxes for people that it didn’t intend. I choose not to exploit loopholes.

Well, as the owner of a business, it's up to you ofcourse. But, I'm just saying, even if you as the IRS they'll tell you, it's up to you to use the tax laws to your benefit.

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

 

[colfax_m]

It was a loophole. I don’t begrudge people for using the tax code for what it clearly intended but Trump’s tax law was really badly constructed and could be used to lower taxes for people that it didn’t intend. I choose not to exploit loopholes.

Well, as the owner of a business, it's up to you ofcourse. But, I'm just saying, even if you as the IRS they'll tell you, it's up to you to use the tax laws to your benefit.

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

 

[j-mac]

Well, as the owner of a business, it's up to you ofcourse. But, I'm just saying, even if you as the IRS they'll tell you, it's up to you to use the tax laws to your benefit.

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

I couldn't agree more. As a middle america working man, if you add in all of the taxation that I have to cough up, it's more than 50%...But look, if you have someone that makes let's say $25K per year, and they pay in (Just to make it easy) $3k through withholding, then at the end of the year through different credits they can take they get back $4K, then they are what I call a zero liability individual...Who do you think pays them? You do, I do....Now, chances are good that they are on some kind of assistance as well be it food, rent, energy whatever....In that respect they don't pay the taxes on that either....Like you or I do....And you are upset that some wealthy person saves on their taxes? Hell, they pay most of the bill in this country.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why not? I mean, I don't begruge anyone for using the tax codes to minimize their taxes....That's what you should do.

It was a loophole. I don’t begrudge people for using the tax code for what it clearly intended but Trump’s tax law was really badly constructed and could be used to lower taxes for people that it didn’t intend. I choose not to exploit loopholes.

Well, as the owner of a business, it's up to you ofcourse. But, I'm just saying, even if you as the IRS they'll tell you, it's up to you to use the tax laws to your benefit.

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

Sounds like a good case for a flat tax, no? Everyone pays the same rate, no loopholes, no deductions.

 

[j-mac]

It was a loophole. I don’t begrudge people for using the tax code for what it clearly intended but Trump’s tax law was really badly constructed and could be used to lower taxes for people that it didn’t intend. I choose not to exploit loopholes.

Well, as the owner of a business, it's up to you ofcourse. But, I'm just saying, even if you as the IRS they'll tell you, it's up to you to use the tax laws to your benefit.

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

Sounds like a good case for a flat tax, no? Everyone pays the same rate, no loopholes, no deductions.

Absolutely! along with the penny plan to reduce our debt.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

I couldn't agree more. As a middle america working man, if you add in all of the taxation that I have to cough up, it's more than 50%...But look, if you have someone that makes let's say $25K per year, and they pay in (Just to make it easy) $3k through withholding, then at the end of the year through different credits they can take they get back $4K, then they are what I call a zero liability individual...Who do you think pays them? You do, I do....Now, chances are good that they are on some kind of assistance as well be it food, rent, energy whatever....In that respect they don't pay the taxes on that either....Like you or I do....And you are upset that some wealthy person saves on their taxes? Hell, they pay most of the bill in this country.

Most of the tax we pay as middle-class Americans actually comes back to us. Medicare (if you live the average lifespan) will repay you, sometimes ten fold depending on your health. Social Security, you will get all that back and more. FICA, which is just a fancy name for SS and Medicare, you will get all that back as well. Then you have your city, county, state taxes, which pays for the services we all use every day.

When it comes to income taxes, that's what pays for the federal government for social programs outside of the ones we pay, and of course our military, all the federal politicians and workers.

Nearly half of the country pays no income tax at all. So if we were to really need new income tax revenue, those are the people we should be looking at in the first place; those who pay nothing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The claim is that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was an "accident..."

Let's review the transcript reported by Israeli media outlet HAARETZ.....


'But sir, it’s an American ship.' 'Never mind, hit her!' When Israel attacked USS Liberty


Israeli pilot to IDF war room: This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Yes, follow orders.

Israeli pilot to IDF war room: But sir, it’s an American ship - I can see the flag!

IDF war room to Israeli pilot: Never mind; hit it.





And if you don't agree with AZOG that the above "proves" the Israeli attack and murder of US Naval personnel was an "accident," Azog will insult you and request that you be banned here....

You’re supposed to blindly support Israel no matter what and failure to do so means you hate all Jews or something stupid. You’re not supposed to think. Just do as Trump supporters say.

You of course may think but Israel is a democracy so if you hate Israel you hate the Jews as they elected their leadership and policies. Pretty straightforward.

That’s idiotic. There’s as about many Jews in this country as all of Israel. Of course, some Republicans do want us to know that some Jews aren’t really Jews. Some of them are fake Jews.

idiotic? It is the only mostly Jewish country and a Democracy so if you vilify Israel, what exactly are you vilifying? Please explain? Its rivers and roads?

I don’t believe in vilifying anyone but I will criticize policy if I disagree with it.

Let’s use your framing in a similar context. If you vilify Democrats, are you racist against black people? After all, they’re the party with the most black voters.

Of course not. You’re just trying to shut down rational criticism by hiding behind the allegation of anti-Semitism. It’s pathetic.

Wrong. And actually yes, people state those who vote Republican now are racists. LOL. What are you criticizing? The people who elected the officials who carry out their agenda? The policies are supported by the majority of Jews. The Democrat party is not only made up of blacks or those who support blacks. Your conflation is incorrect. If I criticize France then yes, I am criticizing the French people as they elected that Gov't.

 

[colfax_m]

I see a difference between using tax laws and exploiting them. Exploitation hurts us all.

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

I couldn't agree more. As a middle america working man, if you add in all of the taxation that I have to cough up, it's more than 50%...But look, if you have someone that makes let's say $25K per year, and they pay in (Just to make it easy) $3k through withholding, then at the end of the year through different credits they can take they get back $4K, then they are what I call a zero liability individual...Who do you think pays them? You do, I do....Now, chances are good that they are on some kind of assistance as well be it food, rent, energy whatever....In that respect they don't pay the taxes on that either....Like you or I do....And you are upset that some wealthy person saves on their taxes? Hell, they pay most of the bill in this country.

I kinda doubt that anyone in the middle class actually can hit 50% taxation. Middle quartile income is something like 25% total effective tax rate. The poorest is like 20% and the wealthiest is like 30%. The total effective tax rate just isn’t all that different to be honest.

 

[j-mac]

Well, good for you....I'll try and keep as much of my hard earned money as possible, thanks.

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

I couldn't agree more. As a middle america working man, if you add in all of the taxation that I have to cough up, it's more than 50%...But look, if you have someone that makes let's say $25K per year, and they pay in (Just to make it easy) $3k through withholding, then at the end of the year through different credits they can take they get back $4K, then they are what I call a zero liability individual...Who do you think pays them? You do, I do....Now, chances are good that they are on some kind of assistance as well be it food, rent, energy whatever....In that respect they don't pay the taxes on that either....Like you or I do....And you are upset that some wealthy person saves on their taxes? Hell, they pay most of the bill in this country.

I kinda doubt that anyone in the middle class actually can hit 50% taxation. Middle quartile income is something like 25% total effective tax rate. The poorest is like 20% and the wealthiest is like 30%. The total effective tax rate just isn’t all that different to be honest.

You brought up all of the associated taxation like Sales, Property, etc etc....Add it up.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why is it that the answer is always more taxation. Our government spends money like it grows on trees, and once government is expanded, they want more more more...

At what point is enough enough. How about this, instead of taking more and more, why dont we cut spending? We can take money from all the frivolous things, and use it on programs more important.

I also find it ironic that most people are in favor of other people giving up more of their money, but if they won the lottery tomorrow, they be telling the government "hands off my cash".

 

[initforme]

Social security and Medicare are without question two of the greatest things america aas ever created. They have helped make the nation great.

 

[colfax_m]

You’re supposed to blindly support Israel no matter what and failure to do so means you hate all Jews or something stupid. You’re not supposed to think. Just do as Trump supporters say.

You of course may think but Israel is a democracy so if you hate Israel you hate the Jews as they elected their leadership and policies. Pretty straightforward.

That’s idiotic. There’s as about many Jews in this country as all of Israel. Of course, some Republicans do want us to know that some Jews aren’t really Jews. Some of them are fake Jews.

idiotic? It is the only mostly Jewish country and a Democracy so if you vilify Israel, what exactly are you vilifying? Please explain? Its rivers and roads?

I don’t believe in vilifying anyone but I will criticize policy if I disagree with it.

Let’s use your framing in a similar context. If you vilify Democrats, are you racist against black people? After all, they’re the party with the most black voters.

Of course not. You’re just trying to shut down rational criticism by hiding behind the allegation of anti-Semitism. It’s pathetic.

Wrong. And actually yes, people state those who vote Republican now are racists. LOL. What are you criticizing? The people who elected the officials who carry out their agenda? The policies are supported by the majority of Jews. The Democrat party is not only made up of blacks or those who support blacks. Your conflation is incorrect. If I criticize France then yes, I am criticizing the French people as they elected that Gov't.

For starters, a person voting for a politician does not automatically support all policies by that politician. Second, I could only be criticizing the people who enable that policy. As we both know, not all Jews agree with all policies enacted by Israel and therefore cannot be considered anti-Semitic.

You criticize people for doing this exact same thing when it comes to domestic politics. You’re just trying to hide from legitimate criticism. You’re better than this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why is it that the answer is always more taxation. Our government spends money like it grows on trees, and once government is expanded, they want more more more...

At what point is enough enough. How about this, instead of taking more and more, why dont we cut spending? We can take money from all the frivolous things, and use it on programs more important.

I also find it ironic that most people are in favor of other people giving up more of their money, but if they won the lottery tomorrow, they be telling the government "hands off my cash".

Because we could not all collectively agree with what spending cuts to have. Everybody wants their own goodies, but are happy to suggest other people's goodies get taken away.

So indirectly, it's really our own fault; not because of who we elect, but because the Democrats have made most of the country government dependent.

It's like a scenario Dr Walter E Williams gives. "I'm going to run for a federal position in government. My platform will be, I will not bring any money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

 

[whitehall]

About two weeks before the presidential election of 2016 a Reuters -Ipsos poll screamed "Hillary far ahead in electoral votes". Reuters/Ipsos projected the electoral results as Hillary 326 to Trump 212. How did that work out? Are R/I polling subjects even aware that the rich pay 90% of income taxes already?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Why is it that the answer is always more taxation. Our government spends money like it grows on trees, and once government is expanded, they want more more more...

At what point is enough enough. How about this, instead of taking more and more, why dont we cut spending? We can take money from all the frivolous things, and use it on programs more important.

I also find it ironic that most people are in favor of other people giving up more of their money, but if they won the lottery tomorrow, they be telling the government "hands off my cash".

Because we could not all collectively agree with what spending cuts to have. Everybody wants their own goodies, but are happy to suggest other people's goodies get taken away.

So indirectly, it's really our own fault; not because of who we elect, but because the Democrats have made most of the country government dependent.

It's like a scenario Dr Walter E Williams gives. "I'm going to run for a federal position in government. My platform will be, I will not bring any money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

That's easy to solve. Just look at the constitution, if it ain't in there, then the federal government doesnt need to be doing it. Anything extra is for the states to vote on, and implement.

 

[initforme]

If the Uber wealthy have 90 percent of all the money then how are the rest supposed to pay the bulk of taxes?

 

[colfax_m]

I think it’s pretty dumb that the wealthiest Americans can wind up paying smaller tax rates than average Joes. But then again, the country is run by wealthy Americans so I shouldn’t be surprised that they give themselves loopholes.

I think that the lower 50% that now pay nothing, should kick in...BTW, you're in business, are you saying you didn't get into business to make money?

It’s not particularly true that the lower 50% pay nothing. You should just take into account all taxes that are paid, from sales through FICA and it turns out that the tax code is far less progressive than you think. In fact, it’s kinda a hump where they kinda wealthy pay the most and the really wealthy pay about as much as the poor people.

I couldn't agree more. As a middle america working man, if you add in all of the taxation that I have to cough up, it's more than 50%...But look, if you have someone that makes let's say $25K per year, and they pay in (Just to make it easy) $3k through withholding, then at the end of the year through different credits they can take they get back $4K, then they are what I call a zero liability individual...Who do you think pays them? You do, I do....Now, chances are good that they are on some kind of assistance as well be it food, rent, energy whatever....In that respect they don't pay the taxes on that either....Like you or I do....And you are upset that some wealthy person saves on their taxes? Hell, they pay most of the bill in this country.

I kinda doubt that anyone in the middle class actually can hit 50% taxation. Middle quartile income is something like 25% total effective tax rate. The poorest is like 20% and the wealthiest is like 30%. The total effective tax rate just isn’t all that different to be honest.

You brought up all of the associated taxation like Sales, Property, etc etc....Add it up.

Yeah, I know. After adding it up, I don’t think it comes anywhere close to 50% for anyone that’s actually middle class.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why is it that the answer is always more taxation. Our government spends money like it grows on trees, and once government is expanded, they want more more more...

At what point is enough enough. How about this, instead of taking more and more, why dont we cut spending? We can take money from all the frivolous things, and use it on programs more important.

I also find it ironic that most people are in favor of other people giving up more of their money, but if they won the lottery tomorrow, they be telling the government "hands off my cash".

Because we could not all collectively agree with what spending cuts to have. Everybody wants their own goodies, but are happy to suggest other people's goodies get taken away.

So indirectly, it's really our own fault; not because of who we elect, but because the Democrats have made most of the country government dependent.

It's like a scenario Dr Walter E Williams gives. "I'm going to run for a federal position in government. My platform will be, I will not bring any money back to my state. Would you vote for me?"

That's easy to solve. Just look at the constitution, if it ain't in there, then the federal government doesnt need to be doing it. Anything extra is for the states to vote on, and implement.

And if you were a politician, you would attempt to do something like that?

Let's take Social Security and Medicare for example. Somebody is running for office, and they promise to get rid of those programs. Who do you think would support that? Well, certainly not you if you were nearing retirement age. Certainly not you if you were on disability. Certainly not you if your parents were on Social Security and getting treatment because of Medicare. Certainly not you if you're younger and have grandparents on those programs.

So it's not something easily done, because most of the people would be against you and never let you into a position of power.

This is my Ray from Cleveland raccoon theory: You catch a raccoon digging in your garbage can. In empathy, you go to the fridge and fetch that meaty hambone you were going to throw away at the end of the week anyhow, and give it to the raccoon.

The animal eats in delight, perhaps confused why you provided it food. But then give it about 30 seconds and try to take that hambone back and see what happens to you.

The Democrats are well aware of my theory. This is why they always strive to hook more people on social programs. Like the hambone, once you give them to people, it's rightfully theirs in their minds. And nobody dares to take that hambone away unless you want to get your hand chewed up.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You of course may think but Israel is a democracy so if you hate Israel you hate the Jews as they elected their leadership and policies. Pretty straightforward.

That’s idiotic. There’s as about many Jews in this country as all of Israel. Of course, some Republicans do want us to know that some Jews aren’t really Jews. Some of them are fake Jews.

idiotic? It is the only mostly Jewish country and a Democracy so if you vilify Israel, what exactly are you vilifying? Please explain? Its rivers and roads?

I don’t believe in vilifying anyone but I will criticize policy if I disagree with it.

Let’s use your framing in a similar context. If you vilify Democrats, are you racist against black people? After all, they’re the party with the most black voters.

Of course not. You’re just trying to shut down rational criticism by hiding behind the allegation of anti-Semitism. It’s pathetic.

Wrong. And actually yes, people state those who vote Republican now are racists. LOL. What are you criticizing? The people who elected the officials who carry out their agenda? The policies are supported by the majority of Jews. The Democrat party is not only made up of blacks or those who support blacks. Your conflation is incorrect. If I criticize France then yes, I am criticizing the French people as they elected that Gov't.

For starters, a person voting for a politician does not automatically support all policies by that politician. Second, I could only be criticizing the people who enable that policy. As we both know, not all Jews agree with all policies enacted by Israel and therefore cannot be considered anti-Semitic.

You criticize people for doing this exact same thing when it comes to domestic politics. You’re just trying to hide from legitimate criticism. You’re better than this.

What specifically are you critical of Israel for? Explain. I am critical of Democrats because they are run by racist, antisemitic leftists. It would be as if the Republican party were run by David Duke. I would smash them if that were the case.