Majority of vets support Trump.

The hybrid system including Fascism have achieved the fastest economic growth periods in the past 2 centuries.
No one cares...

The USA wasn't considered Capitalist until the 1880's when the Corporate charters loosened.
According to who? Our government enforced the institution of private property right from the very beginning. That's capitalism.


A Short History of American Capitalism: RISE OF THE CAPITALIST CLASS, 1790-1865

During the colonial economy, a capitalist class had yet to come into existence. Here and there, workers were employed by individuals not numerous enough to form even an interest group, let alone a class. During the three-quarters of a century covered by this chapter, scattered businesses began to associate into more basic social formations. By 1865, fully one-third of the national income flowed from capitalist enterprises, mostly manufacturing but also mining, transportation, banking, and other fields. Production by enslaved workers grew just as rapidly and the southern economy became ever more intertwined with that of the increasingly capitalist North.

Capitalism advanced by inducing institutional changes in the American society and economy. In the process, enormous costs were borne by large sectors of the American people. The changes ranged from new ways of financing industry to deep governmental involvement in economic affairs. Their sum total was well stated by Hughes: "In matters of rights of property of all sorts … it would be difficult to imagine an entrepreneurial class more solicitously protected than that in the United States on the verge of the great nineteenth-century economic and geographic expansion."1





Capital Investment

In general, the market for corporate securities was small before the Civil War. Stocks and bonds of highly successful textile manufacturing corporations were closely held by a very small circle of investors.2 Best known of these was the Boston Associates which organized the modern textile industry in Lowell, Massachusetts. Outside of such groupings, manufacturers generally met with a cool reception in banks where they were informed that their field was too risky in comparison with mercantile pursuits. This is not to say, however, that there was a shortage of sharp operators with visionary conceptions of future success. John Adams, the country's second President, called them "an Aristocracy of … Stock jobbers … irremediably entailed upon Us, to endless generations."3 The existence of such competition for investors' funds, however, did not interfere with the funding efforts of large textile firms in New England which enjoyed preferential rates in the capital market.4

Unless they were insiders, well-to-do investor-merchants, for the most part, tended not to rush into speculative enterprises. As J.S. Davis observes: "the greater the certainty of success, the more heavily the large capitalists ventured . … Unless the larger fish could be attracted by the bait, the interest of the smaller fry was unavailing."5 In New York, the first bonds in the Erie Canal were bought by small investors in the state. When, however, a section of the canal was opened successfully, "the securities became attractive to larger investors in New York City and then in London."6 Similarly, industrial ventures in outlying towns sometimes prospered so well that large-city investors absorbed the projects after a number of years. This, for example, was the case in Springfield and Boston, Massachusetts over the 1820s and 1840s.7 The New York Stock Exchange handled almost no manufacturing stocks before the Civil War; indeed, until about 1890, hardly any other than railroad securities were traded.

Until the second quarter of the 19th century, state charters of incorporation were passed singly by the legislature. After a time, a movement began to enact a general incorporation statute which required only an administrative application and payment of a modest fee. In places such as Pennsylvania, however, few manufacturing firms applied under the general statute, preferring to seek a special legislative charter or to forego incorporation altogether. In Pennsylvania, most manufacturing firms seeking incorporation chose the special legislative route. Perhaps this was because the legislature was able to add whatever additional privileges influential incorporators could bargain for. Thus, five years after passage of the 1849 general act, fewer than twelve firms had incorporated under it.8 Even as late as 1880, in Philadelphia's textile industry, consisting of 849 firms and thus the country's largest grouping in the industry, not a single firm was a corporation.9 In 1812, the New York legislature chartered the New York Manufacturing Company not only to produce cotton and woolen cloth but also awarded the firm the right to conduct banking because of "the difficulty of inducing persons to invest money in untried enterprises however important to the general welfare."10

Banks were crucial for the development of American capitalism, especially concerning manufacturing. During the entirety of colonial history, not a single commercial bank was created. In 1814, ex-President John Adams warned against the growth of "monopolies and incorporations". He asked:

Is not every bank a monopoly? Are there not more banks in the United States than ever before existed in any nation under heaven? Are not these banks established by law upon a more aristocratical principle than any others under the sun? Are there not more legal corporations … than are to be found in any known country of the world?11

It was common knowledge that chartered bodies possessed special privileges from state legislatures and were highly prized for such reasons. The banks that came into existence after independence were organized ordinarily by networks of wealthy merchants linked by kinship or marriage, who lent most of their money to insiders such as shareholders, officers, and directors of the banks. As Lamoreaux indicates: "insider lending resulted in discrimination in the credit markets. …"12 For example, in the early 1840s the Rhodes brothers of Pawtuxet, Rhode Island received nearly half a bank's loans even though they owned less than one-eighth of the bank's shares.13 In Philadelphia's Bank of North America "shareholders and their intimates got 53 percent of the loans [made in the private sector] and a munificent 63 percent of the dollars."14

This was well known. In 1850, the leading business magazine of the country wrote of bank organizers: "It is not that they have money to lend that they want to take stock in a new bank, but because they want to raise money for their own business on the credit of the new institution."15 Manufacturers seeking loans from these banks stood only the slightest chance if they were outside the organizers' circle. After all, Adam Smith had advised in The Wealth of Nations (1776) that banks should not lend for investment in fixed capital and machines.16 On the other hand, an insider who sought capital for his enterprise could easily supersede Smith's authority. Boston banks within the ambit of the Boston Associates fairly shoveled out capital funds to the textile manufacturers. In the western Massachusetts town of Northampton manufacturers formed part of an interlocking directorate that shifted funds from one industry to another: "While manufacturing gave them profit from production, banks and insurance companies allowed these men to benefit from the expansion of the cash economy and the increasing use borrowers and lenders made of financial institutions for credit."17 In leading manufacturing centers such as Rhode Island, prominent manufacturers played a leading role in bank organizing.18

Banking was itself a growth industry during the American industrial revolution. Banks in New England grew in number as follows:19

1784 1
1810 52
1830 172
1837 320
1860 505
Gilje has written that this expansion amounted to a democratization of banking.20 Referring to new banks in Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston soon after Independence, however, Matson declares that "few middling and lower-class Americans shared the benefits of these new institutions."21 The poorest 60 percent of the American people — those who owned no wealth at all — were situated at the farthest margins of this burgeoning financial economy. The next fifth of the people possessed only five percent of the nation's wealth and gained only limited entries to the concentrated wealth of the country's banks. America's financial institutions before the Civil War served the wealthiest fifth of the people. Not least among the latter were prominent politicians.22

Throughout the pre-Civil War years, the economic interests of the growing capitalist class were well-served by governmental agencies. Central to this achievement was creation of the Federal Constitution, "a gigantic step toward stabilizing the prospects for long-run returns on investments."23 The first Federal government of 1789 was clearly devoted to the protection of property and ready to shield its beneficiaries from "the force of sheer majorities."24




Constitutional Rights Foundation

Laissez-Faire Capitalism in America
Historians often call the period between 1870 and the early 1900s the Gilded Age. This was an era of rapid industrialization, laissez-faire capitalism, and no income tax. Captains of industry like John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie made fortunes. They also preached "survival of the fittest" in business.

American scholars like sociologist William Graham Sumner praised the new class of industrial millionaires. Sumner argued that social progress depended on the fittest families passing on their wealth to the next generation.

According to the Social Darwinists, capitalism and society itself needed unlimited business competition to thrive. By the late 1800s, however, monopolies, not competing companies, increasingly controlled the production and prices of goods in many American industries.

Laissez-faire - Wikipedia

Frank Bourgin's study of the Constitutional Convention and subsequent decades argues that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founding Fathers.[37] The reason for this was the economic and financial chaos the nation suffered under the Articles of Confederation. The goal was to ensure that dearly-won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny. One later result of this intent was the adoption of Richard Farrington's new plan (worked out with his co-worker John Jefferson) to incorporate new changes during the New Deal. Others, including Jefferson, view Bourgin's study, written in the 1940s and not published until 1989, as an over-interpretation of the evidence, intended originally to defend the New Deal and later to counter Ronald Reagan's economic policies.[38]

What the Founding Fathers Really Thought About Corporations

The American Corporation

https://thebhc.org/sites/default/files/beh/BEHprint/v028n2/p0325-p0336.pdf
All privately owned productive enterprises are capitalist, moron.

Capitalism doesn't come out of the starting gate with multi-billion dollar corporations. Your understanding of the concept is defective if that's what you believe demarks it.

Capitalist enterprise only comprised 1/3rd of the market in 1865, and the other 2/3rds were mostly slavery, indentured servants, and government positions.

You want to take credit of Slaves & Indenture servants dominating the economy as "Capitalist"?

Interesting.
 
We have the #1 healthcare costs in the World.
Not by a little, but by a lot.

Of course my smart father like my smart self understand that every single National healthcare country pays less than us.

Not everybody's a stupid British dunderhead.

We also have the #1 best healthcare in the World. The cost has more to do with government meddling causing a paucity of choices as well as competition. Typical, socialist economics. No choice, 'one size fits all' and total government control.
#1 best healthcare if you can pay out of pocket.
When national healthcare gets here there will be screams and yells from the masses as their income is reduced. The real suckers being those who take care of themselves. Also in our equality, does the lifetime of female medical cost more then the lifetime of males medical? For equality purposes.

Wrong, we already have national healthcare, via the ER's.
Just the most dumb form of it known to man.
 
We have the #1 healthcare costs in the World.
Not by a little, but by a lot.

Of course my smart father like my smart self understand that every single National healthcare country pays less than us.

Not everybody's a stupid British dunderhead.

We also have the #1 best healthcare in the World. The cost has more to do with government meddling causing a paucity of choices as well as competition. Typical, socialist economics. No choice, 'one size fits all' and total government control.

No we don't, if we did we'd live longer than other 1st World countries.

Nope, National healthcare costs less.

Every single so called "Socialist" healthcare system is cheaper than ours.

But, but, but.

I don't want to hear your retarded nonsense.

Anyone who doesn't support National healthcare is a retard, plain & simple.

You failed to address anything in my post and went on to insult. Typical Marxist retard.

If every government with national healthcare spends less than us.

Then we're doing something wrong.

No, National healthcare is not necessarily Marxist.

I don't think Karl Marx even came up with such a thing.
 
No one cares...

The USA wasn't considered Capitalist until the 1880's when the Corporate charters loosened.
According to who? Our government enforced the institution of private property right from the very beginning. That's capitalism.


A Short History of American Capitalism: RISE OF THE CAPITALIST CLASS, 1790-1865

During the colonial economy, a capitalist class had yet to come into existence. Here and there, workers were employed by individuals not numerous enough to form even an interest group, let alone a class. During the three-quarters of a century covered by this chapter, scattered businesses began to associate into more basic social formations. By 1865, fully one-third of the national income flowed from capitalist enterprises, mostly manufacturing but also mining, transportation, banking, and other fields. Production by enslaved workers grew just as rapidly and the southern economy became ever more intertwined with that of the increasingly capitalist North.

Capitalism advanced by inducing institutional changes in the American society and economy. In the process, enormous costs were borne by large sectors of the American people. The changes ranged from new ways of financing industry to deep governmental involvement in economic affairs. Their sum total was well stated by Hughes: "In matters of rights of property of all sorts … it would be difficult to imagine an entrepreneurial class more solicitously protected than that in the United States on the verge of the great nineteenth-century economic and geographic expansion."1





Capital Investment

In general, the market for corporate securities was small before the Civil War. Stocks and bonds of highly successful textile manufacturing corporations were closely held by a very small circle of investors.2 Best known of these was the Boston Associates which organized the modern textile industry in Lowell, Massachusetts. Outside of such groupings, manufacturers generally met with a cool reception in banks where they were informed that their field was too risky in comparison with mercantile pursuits. This is not to say, however, that there was a shortage of sharp operators with visionary conceptions of future success. John Adams, the country's second President, called them "an Aristocracy of … Stock jobbers … irremediably entailed upon Us, to endless generations."3 The existence of such competition for investors' funds, however, did not interfere with the funding efforts of large textile firms in New England which enjoyed preferential rates in the capital market.4

Unless they were insiders, well-to-do investor-merchants, for the most part, tended not to rush into speculative enterprises. As J.S. Davis observes: "the greater the certainty of success, the more heavily the large capitalists ventured . … Unless the larger fish could be attracted by the bait, the interest of the smaller fry was unavailing."5 In New York, the first bonds in the Erie Canal were bought by small investors in the state. When, however, a section of the canal was opened successfully, "the securities became attractive to larger investors in New York City and then in London."6 Similarly, industrial ventures in outlying towns sometimes prospered so well that large-city investors absorbed the projects after a number of years. This, for example, was the case in Springfield and Boston, Massachusetts over the 1820s and 1840s.7 The New York Stock Exchange handled almost no manufacturing stocks before the Civil War; indeed, until about 1890, hardly any other than railroad securities were traded.

Until the second quarter of the 19th century, state charters of incorporation were passed singly by the legislature. After a time, a movement began to enact a general incorporation statute which required only an administrative application and payment of a modest fee. In places such as Pennsylvania, however, few manufacturing firms applied under the general statute, preferring to seek a special legislative charter or to forego incorporation altogether. In Pennsylvania, most manufacturing firms seeking incorporation chose the special legislative route. Perhaps this was because the legislature was able to add whatever additional privileges influential incorporators could bargain for. Thus, five years after passage of the 1849 general act, fewer than twelve firms had incorporated under it.8 Even as late as 1880, in Philadelphia's textile industry, consisting of 849 firms and thus the country's largest grouping in the industry, not a single firm was a corporation.9 In 1812, the New York legislature chartered the New York Manufacturing Company not only to produce cotton and woolen cloth but also awarded the firm the right to conduct banking because of "the difficulty of inducing persons to invest money in untried enterprises however important to the general welfare."10

Banks were crucial for the development of American capitalism, especially concerning manufacturing. During the entirety of colonial history, not a single commercial bank was created. In 1814, ex-President John Adams warned against the growth of "monopolies and incorporations". He asked:

Is not every bank a monopoly? Are there not more banks in the United States than ever before existed in any nation under heaven? Are not these banks established by law upon a more aristocratical principle than any others under the sun? Are there not more legal corporations … than are to be found in any known country of the world?11

It was common knowledge that chartered bodies possessed special privileges from state legislatures and were highly prized for such reasons. The banks that came into existence after independence were organized ordinarily by networks of wealthy merchants linked by kinship or marriage, who lent most of their money to insiders such as shareholders, officers, and directors of the banks. As Lamoreaux indicates: "insider lending resulted in discrimination in the credit markets. …"12 For example, in the early 1840s the Rhodes brothers of Pawtuxet, Rhode Island received nearly half a bank's loans even though they owned less than one-eighth of the bank's shares.13 In Philadelphia's Bank of North America "shareholders and their intimates got 53 percent of the loans [made in the private sector] and a munificent 63 percent of the dollars."14

This was well known. In 1850, the leading business magazine of the country wrote of bank organizers: "It is not that they have money to lend that they want to take stock in a new bank, but because they want to raise money for their own business on the credit of the new institution."15 Manufacturers seeking loans from these banks stood only the slightest chance if they were outside the organizers' circle. After all, Adam Smith had advised in The Wealth of Nations (1776) that banks should not lend for investment in fixed capital and machines.16 On the other hand, an insider who sought capital for his enterprise could easily supersede Smith's authority. Boston banks within the ambit of the Boston Associates fairly shoveled out capital funds to the textile manufacturers. In the western Massachusetts town of Northampton manufacturers formed part of an interlocking directorate that shifted funds from one industry to another: "While manufacturing gave them profit from production, banks and insurance companies allowed these men to benefit from the expansion of the cash economy and the increasing use borrowers and lenders made of financial institutions for credit."17 In leading manufacturing centers such as Rhode Island, prominent manufacturers played a leading role in bank organizing.18

Banking was itself a growth industry during the American industrial revolution. Banks in New England grew in number as follows:19

1784 1
1810 52
1830 172
1837 320
1860 505
Gilje has written that this expansion amounted to a democratization of banking.20 Referring to new banks in Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston soon after Independence, however, Matson declares that "few middling and lower-class Americans shared the benefits of these new institutions."21 The poorest 60 percent of the American people — those who owned no wealth at all — were situated at the farthest margins of this burgeoning financial economy. The next fifth of the people possessed only five percent of the nation's wealth and gained only limited entries to the concentrated wealth of the country's banks. America's financial institutions before the Civil War served the wealthiest fifth of the people. Not least among the latter were prominent politicians.22

Throughout the pre-Civil War years, the economic interests of the growing capitalist class were well-served by governmental agencies. Central to this achievement was creation of the Federal Constitution, "a gigantic step toward stabilizing the prospects for long-run returns on investments."23 The first Federal government of 1789 was clearly devoted to the protection of property and ready to shield its beneficiaries from "the force of sheer majorities."24




Constitutional Rights Foundation

Laissez-Faire Capitalism in America
Historians often call the period between 1870 and the early 1900s the Gilded Age. This was an era of rapid industrialization, laissez-faire capitalism, and no income tax. Captains of industry like John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie made fortunes. They also preached "survival of the fittest" in business.

American scholars like sociologist William Graham Sumner praised the new class of industrial millionaires. Sumner argued that social progress depended on the fittest families passing on their wealth to the next generation.

According to the Social Darwinists, capitalism and society itself needed unlimited business competition to thrive. By the late 1800s, however, monopolies, not competing companies, increasingly controlled the production and prices of goods in many American industries.

Laissez-faire - Wikipedia

Frank Bourgin's study of the Constitutional Convention and subsequent decades argues that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founding Fathers.[37] The reason for this was the economic and financial chaos the nation suffered under the Articles of Confederation. The goal was to ensure that dearly-won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny. One later result of this intent was the adoption of Richard Farrington's new plan (worked out with his co-worker John Jefferson) to incorporate new changes during the New Deal. Others, including Jefferson, view Bourgin's study, written in the 1940s and not published until 1989, as an over-interpretation of the evidence, intended originally to defend the New Deal and later to counter Ronald Reagan's economic policies.[38]

What the Founding Fathers Really Thought About Corporations

The American Corporation

https://thebhc.org/sites/default/files/beh/BEHprint/v028n2/p0325-p0336.pdf
All privately owned productive enterprises are capitalist, moron.

Capitalism doesn't come out of the starting gate with multi-billion dollar corporations. Your understanding of the concept is defective if that's what you believe demarks it.

Capitalist enterprise only comprised 1/3rd of the market in 1865, and the other 2/3rds were mostly slavery, indentured servants, and government positions.

You want to take credit of Slaves & Indenture servants dominating the economy as "Capitalist"?

Interesting.
All enterprises were capitalist in 1865, moron. They were all privately owned. If they aren't the government, then they are capitalist. What fucking definition of "capitalist" are you using? The number of indentured servants in the early United States was low because of the fact that they could just walk away from their "owners."

What the fuck does "mostly slavery" mean?
 
The Founding Fathers were for only very limited Democratic voting rights.

ONLY 6% in the first election could vote being White male property owners.

They were generally for enslaving Blacks, exterminating Native Americans, were even often anti-Jewish, anti-Gay, anti-Catholic etc.

They had no intentions of giving White women much less non-White women voting rights.

They specifically stated ONLY Free Whites of good character were to become US citizens, according to the 1790 Naturalization Act.

They were for strict corporate charters back then, which regulated businesses much more heavily than today.
They were men of their time, who cares?

A simplistic appeal to authority like that has no more validity than an appeal to Zeus or other mythical figures as far as I'm concerned.

Read Margaret Thatcher and shut up, there's nothing you can do.

The hybrid system including Fascism have achieved the fastest economic growth periods in the past 2 centuries.
Wrong. The closer an economy is to laizzes faire, the faster it grows.

Wrong,
FDR achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century USA history & FDR was a Socialist guy basically Fascism lite.

No one wants to start a world war to make the economy grow. If you average his economic growth over his entire term, it's not impressive.

Franco, Hitler & Mussolini achieved faster growth than FDR.

So did a similar economic Fascist like (Socialist) hybrid system in Japan.

I doubt these claims.

Same with modern China of the 21st century, certainly a Socialist economy.

The more China reduced state control of its economy, the faster it grew.

NOT A SINGLE economic growth champion period has been Laissez Fair.
Laizzes faire capitalism hasn't existed since the 19th century, so your claim is meaningless.

The claims are there.
The Best And Worst US Presidents For GDP Growth

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Japanese economic miracle - Wikipedia

Governmental contributions[edit]
The Japanese financial recovery continued even after SCAP departed and the economic boom propelled by the Korean War abated. The Japanese economy survived from the deep recession caused by a loss of the U.S. payments for military procurement and continued to make gains. By the late 1960s, Japan had risen from the ashes of World War II to achieve an astoundingly rapid and complete economic recovery. According to Knox College Professor Mikiso Hane, the period leading up to the late 1960s saw "the greatest years of prosperity Japan had seen since the Sun Goddess shut herself up behind a stone door to protest her brother Susano-o's misbehavior." The Japanese government contributed to the post-war Japanese economic miracle by stimulating private sector growth, first by instituting regulations and protectionism that effectively managed economic crises and later by concentrating on trade expansion.[2]

Influence of governmental policies: Ikeda administration and keiretsu[edit]
In 1954, the economic system MITI had cultivated from 1949 to 1953 came into full effect. Prime Minister Hayato Ikeda, who Johnson[who?] calls "the single most important individual architect of the Japanese economic miracle," pursued a policy of heavy industrialization.[citation needed] This policy led to the emergence of 'over-loaning' (a practice that continues today) in which the Bank of Japan issues loans to city banks who in turn issue loans to industrial conglomerates. Since there was a shortage of capital in Japan at the time, industrial conglomerates borrowed beyond their capacity to repay, often beyond their net worth, causing city banks in turn to over-borrow from the Bank of Japan. This gave the national Bank of Japan complete control over dependent local banks.

The system of over-loaning, combined with the government's relaxation of anti-monopoly laws (a remnant of SCAP control) also led to the re-emergence of conglomerate groups called keiretsu that mirrored the wartime conglomerates, or zaibatsu. Led by the economic improvements of Sony businessmen Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, the keiretsu efficiently allocated resources and became competitive internationally.[14]

At the heart of the keiretsu conglomerates' success lay city banks, which lent generously, formalizing cross-share holdings in diverse industries. The keiretsu spurred both horizontal and vertical integration, locking out foreign companies from Japanese industries. Keiretsu had close relations with MITI and each other through the cross-placement of shares, providing protection from foreign take-overs. For example, 83% of Japan's Development Bank's finances went toward strategic industries: shipbuilding, electric power, coal and steel production.[15] Keiretsu proved crucial to protectionist measures that shielded Japan's sapling economy.

Keiretsu also fostered an attitude shift among Japanese managers that tolerated low profits in the short-run because keiretsu were less concerned with increasing stock dividends and profits and more concerned about interest payments. Approximately only two-thirds of the shares of a given company were traded, cushioning keiretsu against market fluctuations and allowing keiretsu managers to plan for the long-term and maximize market shares instead of focusing on short-term profits.

The Ikeda administration also instituted the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy, a system of import controls designed to prevent the flooding of Japan's markets by foreign goods. MITI used the foreign exchange allocation to stimulate the economy by promoting exports, managing investment and monitoring production capacity. In 1953, MITIs revised the Foreign Exchange Allocation Policy to promote domestic industries and increase the incentive for exports by revising the export-link system. A later revision based production capacity on foreign exchange allocation to prevent foreign dumping.
 
The USA wasn't considered Capitalist until the 1880's when the Corporate charters loosened.
According to who? Our government enforced the institution of private property right from the very beginning. That's capitalism.


A Short History of American Capitalism: RISE OF THE CAPITALIST CLASS, 1790-1865

During the colonial economy, a capitalist class had yet to come into existence. Here and there, workers were employed by individuals not numerous enough to form even an interest group, let alone a class. During the three-quarters of a century covered by this chapter, scattered businesses began to associate into more basic social formations. By 1865, fully one-third of the national income flowed from capitalist enterprises, mostly manufacturing but also mining, transportation, banking, and other fields. Production by enslaved workers grew just as rapidly and the southern economy became ever more intertwined with that of the increasingly capitalist North.

Capitalism advanced by inducing institutional changes in the American society and economy. In the process, enormous costs were borne by large sectors of the American people. The changes ranged from new ways of financing industry to deep governmental involvement in economic affairs. Their sum total was well stated by Hughes: "In matters of rights of property of all sorts … it would be difficult to imagine an entrepreneurial class more solicitously protected than that in the United States on the verge of the great nineteenth-century economic and geographic expansion."1





Capital Investment

In general, the market for corporate securities was small before the Civil War. Stocks and bonds of highly successful textile manufacturing corporations were closely held by a very small circle of investors.2 Best known of these was the Boston Associates which organized the modern textile industry in Lowell, Massachusetts. Outside of such groupings, manufacturers generally met with a cool reception in banks where they were informed that their field was too risky in comparison with mercantile pursuits. This is not to say, however, that there was a shortage of sharp operators with visionary conceptions of future success. John Adams, the country's second President, called them "an Aristocracy of … Stock jobbers … irremediably entailed upon Us, to endless generations."3 The existence of such competition for investors' funds, however, did not interfere with the funding efforts of large textile firms in New England which enjoyed preferential rates in the capital market.4

Unless they were insiders, well-to-do investor-merchants, for the most part, tended not to rush into speculative enterprises. As J.S. Davis observes: "the greater the certainty of success, the more heavily the large capitalists ventured . … Unless the larger fish could be attracted by the bait, the interest of the smaller fry was unavailing."5 In New York, the first bonds in the Erie Canal were bought by small investors in the state. When, however, a section of the canal was opened successfully, "the securities became attractive to larger investors in New York City and then in London."6 Similarly, industrial ventures in outlying towns sometimes prospered so well that large-city investors absorbed the projects after a number of years. This, for example, was the case in Springfield and Boston, Massachusetts over the 1820s and 1840s.7 The New York Stock Exchange handled almost no manufacturing stocks before the Civil War; indeed, until about 1890, hardly any other than railroad securities were traded.

Until the second quarter of the 19th century, state charters of incorporation were passed singly by the legislature. After a time, a movement began to enact a general incorporation statute which required only an administrative application and payment of a modest fee. In places such as Pennsylvania, however, few manufacturing firms applied under the general statute, preferring to seek a special legislative charter or to forego incorporation altogether. In Pennsylvania, most manufacturing firms seeking incorporation chose the special legislative route. Perhaps this was because the legislature was able to add whatever additional privileges influential incorporators could bargain for. Thus, five years after passage of the 1849 general act, fewer than twelve firms had incorporated under it.8 Even as late as 1880, in Philadelphia's textile industry, consisting of 849 firms and thus the country's largest grouping in the industry, not a single firm was a corporation.9 In 1812, the New York legislature chartered the New York Manufacturing Company not only to produce cotton and woolen cloth but also awarded the firm the right to conduct banking because of "the difficulty of inducing persons to invest money in untried enterprises however important to the general welfare."10

Banks were crucial for the development of American capitalism, especially concerning manufacturing. During the entirety of colonial history, not a single commercial bank was created. In 1814, ex-President John Adams warned against the growth of "monopolies and incorporations". He asked:

Is not every bank a monopoly? Are there not more banks in the United States than ever before existed in any nation under heaven? Are not these banks established by law upon a more aristocratical principle than any others under the sun? Are there not more legal corporations … than are to be found in any known country of the world?11

It was common knowledge that chartered bodies possessed special privileges from state legislatures and were highly prized for such reasons. The banks that came into existence after independence were organized ordinarily by networks of wealthy merchants linked by kinship or marriage, who lent most of their money to insiders such as shareholders, officers, and directors of the banks. As Lamoreaux indicates: "insider lending resulted in discrimination in the credit markets. …"12 For example, in the early 1840s the Rhodes brothers of Pawtuxet, Rhode Island received nearly half a bank's loans even though they owned less than one-eighth of the bank's shares.13 In Philadelphia's Bank of North America "shareholders and their intimates got 53 percent of the loans [made in the private sector] and a munificent 63 percent of the dollars."14

This was well known. In 1850, the leading business magazine of the country wrote of bank organizers: "It is not that they have money to lend that they want to take stock in a new bank, but because they want to raise money for their own business on the credit of the new institution."15 Manufacturers seeking loans from these banks stood only the slightest chance if they were outside the organizers' circle. After all, Adam Smith had advised in The Wealth of Nations (1776) that banks should not lend for investment in fixed capital and machines.16 On the other hand, an insider who sought capital for his enterprise could easily supersede Smith's authority. Boston banks within the ambit of the Boston Associates fairly shoveled out capital funds to the textile manufacturers. In the western Massachusetts town of Northampton manufacturers formed part of an interlocking directorate that shifted funds from one industry to another: "While manufacturing gave them profit from production, banks and insurance companies allowed these men to benefit from the expansion of the cash economy and the increasing use borrowers and lenders made of financial institutions for credit."17 In leading manufacturing centers such as Rhode Island, prominent manufacturers played a leading role in bank organizing.18

Banking was itself a growth industry during the American industrial revolution. Banks in New England grew in number as follows:19

1784 1
1810 52
1830 172
1837 320
1860 505
Gilje has written that this expansion amounted to a democratization of banking.20 Referring to new banks in Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston soon after Independence, however, Matson declares that "few middling and lower-class Americans shared the benefits of these new institutions."21 The poorest 60 percent of the American people — those who owned no wealth at all — were situated at the farthest margins of this burgeoning financial economy. The next fifth of the people possessed only five percent of the nation's wealth and gained only limited entries to the concentrated wealth of the country's banks. America's financial institutions before the Civil War served the wealthiest fifth of the people. Not least among the latter were prominent politicians.22

Throughout the pre-Civil War years, the economic interests of the growing capitalist class were well-served by governmental agencies. Central to this achievement was creation of the Federal Constitution, "a gigantic step toward stabilizing the prospects for long-run returns on investments."23 The first Federal government of 1789 was clearly devoted to the protection of property and ready to shield its beneficiaries from "the force of sheer majorities."24




Constitutional Rights Foundation

Laissez-Faire Capitalism in America
Historians often call the period between 1870 and the early 1900s the Gilded Age. This was an era of rapid industrialization, laissez-faire capitalism, and no income tax. Captains of industry like John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie made fortunes. They also preached "survival of the fittest" in business.

American scholars like sociologist William Graham Sumner praised the new class of industrial millionaires. Sumner argued that social progress depended on the fittest families passing on their wealth to the next generation.

According to the Social Darwinists, capitalism and society itself needed unlimited business competition to thrive. By the late 1800s, however, monopolies, not competing companies, increasingly controlled the production and prices of goods in many American industries.

Laissez-faire - Wikipedia

Frank Bourgin's study of the Constitutional Convention and subsequent decades argues that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founding Fathers.[37] The reason for this was the economic and financial chaos the nation suffered under the Articles of Confederation. The goal was to ensure that dearly-won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny. One later result of this intent was the adoption of Richard Farrington's new plan (worked out with his co-worker John Jefferson) to incorporate new changes during the New Deal. Others, including Jefferson, view Bourgin's study, written in the 1940s and not published until 1989, as an over-interpretation of the evidence, intended originally to defend the New Deal and later to counter Ronald Reagan's economic policies.[38]

What the Founding Fathers Really Thought About Corporations

The American Corporation

https://thebhc.org/sites/default/files/beh/BEHprint/v028n2/p0325-p0336.pdf
All privately owned productive enterprises are capitalist, moron.

Capitalism doesn't come out of the starting gate with multi-billion dollar corporations. Your understanding of the concept is defective if that's what you believe demarks it.

Capitalist enterprise only comprised 1/3rd of the market in 1865, and the other 2/3rds were mostly slavery, indentured servants, and government positions.

You want to take credit of Slaves & Indenture servants dominating the economy as "Capitalist"?

Interesting.
All enterprises were capitalist in 1865, moron. They were all privately owned. If they aren't the government, then they are capitalist. What fucking definition of "capitalist" are you using? The number of indentured servants in the early United States was low because of the fact that they could just walk away from their "owners."

What the fuck does "mostly slavery" mean?

So, you want to pin the Atlantic Slave Trade on Capitalism?
 
Subservience is a major, major issue among Western Europeans.

Sound neat...what does that mean to you?
If we don't vote no one will win?

Western Europeans are subservient to their masters.
They cannot think, nor express proper politics.

They just kind of lock into a political clique & Chimp out all irrational.

Doesn't matter if it's the Colonial genocide clique, or the Multicultural suicide clique.

You are a race of lemmings, driving your society off a cliff because all the lemmings are doing it.

I think you're a bit confused....You're saying we are subservient because we vote for the candidate we see as the best fit for us among all potential candidates?

Well, if you start Chimping out for anyone who's smart enough to notice Trump's corruption & flaws like a few users did here for me pointing them out.

Then, yeah subservient idiots.

Corruption and flaws using your metrics?
You've already said you hate him because he hasn't promised you any free shit. You hate him because he engaged in locker room speak like real men with dicks do. You hate him because he banged a dirty liberal whore a decade ago.
Sorry bud, nobody sane and legitimate can take you seriously.

2 of my neighbors lost their houses in Pawling, NY because they were uninsured, and they fell gravely ill.

1 of them a fairly prosperous tavern owner.

Both of them White.

If I lost my job, or money, and I fell gravely ill, yes I think we shouldn't be letting this senselessness go on.

The problem is your lower intellectual functioning & lack of empathy, being that you're a classic Individualist savage.



PS.
Most mentally ill & mentally retarded get their aids, supervision, programs, meds , housing etc. paid for by Medicaid

If you get rid of that, they'll be causing mischief in the streets all loopy.

Then like a dumb Bast@rd you'd probably complain about that too, because you're dumb & selfish.
 
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Sound neat...what does that mean to you?
If we don't vote no one will win?

Western Europeans are subservient to their masters.
They cannot think, nor express proper politics.

They just kind of lock into a political clique & Chimp out all irrational.

Doesn't matter if it's the Colonial genocide clique, or the Multicultural suicide clique.

You are a race of lemmings, driving your society off a cliff because all the lemmings are doing it.

I think you're a bit confused....You're saying we are subservient because we vote for the candidate we see as the best fit for us among all potential candidates?

Well, if you start Chimping out for anyone who's smart enough to notice Trump's corruption & flaws like a few users did here for me pointing them out.

Then, yeah subservient idiots.

Corruption and flaws using your metrics?
You've already said you hate him because he hasn't promised you any free shit. You hate him because he engaged in locker room speak like real men with dicks do. You hate him because he banged a dirty liberal whore a decade ago.
Sorry bud, nobody sane and legitimate can take you seriously.

2 of my neighbors lost their houses in Pawling, NY because they were uninsured, and they fell gravely ill.

1 of them a fairly prosperous tavern owner.

Both of them White.

If I lost my job, or money, and I fell gravely ill, yes I think we shouldn't be letting this senselessness go on.

The problem is your lower intellectual functioning & lack of empathy, being that you're a classic Individualist savage.



PS.
Most mentally ill & mentally retarded get their aids, supervision, meds , housing etc. paid for by Medicaid

If you get rid of that, they'll be causing mischief in the streets all loopy.

Then like a dumb Bast@rd you'd probably complain about that too, because you're dumb & selfish.

Look bud, you beggars always label us whom make good decisions and pay our way as “savages”...I’m okay with it..in fact, I wear the label proudly as a token of achievement...thanks!
 
Western Europeans are subservient to their masters.
They cannot think, nor express proper politics.

They just kind of lock into a political clique & Chimp out all irrational.

Doesn't matter if it's the Colonial genocide clique, or the Multicultural suicide clique.

You are a race of lemmings, driving your society off a cliff because all the lemmings are doing it.

I think you're a bit confused....You're saying we are subservient because we vote for the candidate we see as the best fit for us among all potential candidates?

Well, if you start Chimping out for anyone who's smart enough to notice Trump's corruption & flaws like a few users did here for me pointing them out.

Then, yeah subservient idiots.

Corruption and flaws using your metrics?
You've already said you hate him because he hasn't promised you any free shit. You hate him because he engaged in locker room speak like real men with dicks do. You hate him because he banged a dirty liberal whore a decade ago.
Sorry bud, nobody sane and legitimate can take you seriously.

2 of my neighbors lost their houses in Pawling, NY because they were uninsured, and they fell gravely ill.

1 of them a fairly prosperous tavern owner.

Both of them White.

If I lost my job, or money, and I fell gravely ill, yes I think we shouldn't be letting this senselessness go on.

The problem is your lower intellectual functioning & lack of empathy, being that you're a classic Individualist savage.



PS.
Most mentally ill & mentally retarded get their aids, supervision, meds , housing etc. paid for by Medicaid

If you get rid of that, they'll be causing mischief in the streets all loopy.

Then like a dumb Bast@rd you'd probably complain about that too, because you're dumb & selfish.

Look bud, you beggars always label us whom make good decisions and pay our way as “savages”...I’m okay with it..in fact, I wear the label proudly as a token of achievement...thanks!

Good decisions?

So, a fairly prosperous tavern owner I know in Pawling, who took in probably 200K a year, who got a rare blood disease,
and lost his house because of it.
Is
a beggar?

Its called a sick person.

I don't mean a sick person like you are, as in you're mentally sick, emotionally detached, rationally impaired etc.
 
If every government with national healthcare spends less than us.

Then we're doing something wrong.

No, National healthcare is not necessarily Marxist.

I don't think Karl Marx even came up with such a thing.

If every government spends less than us then their healthcare is substandard.
 
If every government with national healthcare spends less than us.

Then we're doing something wrong.

No, National healthcare is not necessarily Marxist.

I don't think Karl Marx even came up with such a thing.

If every government spends less than us then their healthcare is substandard.

They live longer than us dunderhead.
 
Trump’s 42 percent approval in the latest poll, conducted from Oct. 23 to Dec. 2, sets his lowest mark in the survey since being elected president. Some 50 percent of troops said they had an unfavorable view of him. By comparison, just a few weeks after his electoral victory in November 2016, 46 percent of troops surveyed had a positive view of the businessman-turned-politician, and 37 percent had a negative opinion.

Trumps 42 percent approval with our troops mirrors his approval with the general population
 
I think you're a bit confused....You're saying we are subservient because we vote for the candidate we see as the best fit for us among all potential candidates?

Well, if you start Chimping out for anyone who's smart enough to notice Trump's corruption & flaws like a few users did here for me pointing them out.

Then, yeah subservient idiots.

Corruption and flaws using your metrics?
You've already said you hate him because he hasn't promised you any free shit. You hate him because he engaged in locker room speak like real men with dicks do. You hate him because he banged a dirty liberal whore a decade ago.
Sorry bud, nobody sane and legitimate can take you seriously.

2 of my neighbors lost their houses in Pawling, NY because they were uninsured, and they fell gravely ill.

1 of them a fairly prosperous tavern owner.

Both of them White.

If I lost my job, or money, and I fell gravely ill, yes I think we shouldn't be letting this senselessness go on.

The problem is your lower intellectual functioning & lack of empathy, being that you're a classic Individualist savage.



PS.
Most mentally ill & mentally retarded get their aids, supervision, meds , housing etc. paid for by Medicaid

If you get rid of that, they'll be causing mischief in the streets all loopy.

Then like a dumb Bast@rd you'd probably complain about that too, because you're dumb & selfish.

Look bud, you beggars always label us whom make good decisions and pay our way as “savages”...I’m okay with it..in fact, I wear the label proudly as a token of achievement...thanks!

Good decisions?

So, a fairly prosperous tavern owner I know in Pawling, who took in probably 200K a year, who got a rare blood disease,
and lost his house because of it.
Is
a beggar?

Its called a sick person.

I don't mean a sick person like you are, as in you're mentally sick, emotionally detached, rationally impaired etc.


I think this problem of a relatively small number of people dealing with overwhelming medical expenses that they can't handle, can be resolved without wholesale inconvenience and socialization of our healthcare system. The Pawling barkeep that you are familiar with, probably would have never even got a chance to see the specialists in time if America had fully socialized medicine.

Not only is the "medicare for all single payer public option" scheme very expensive and very hard for ordinary patients, it really doesn't deliver well for those who need highly specialized care like your friend, unless they are as politically connected as they are severely ill.
 
Republicans usually poll well with active duty troops
Trump at only 42 percent does not bode well
 
Good decisions?

So, a fairly prosperous tavern owner I know in Pawling, who took in probably 200K a year, who got a rare blood disease,
and lost his house because of it.
Is
a beggar?

Its called a sick person.

I don't mean a sick person like you are, as in you're mentally sick, emotionally detached, rationally impaired etc.

Your friends lost their houses because our government does not allow going across State lines to get health insurance. Your friends lost their houses because government does not make it easy to get catastrophic health insurance. If your friends were under socialized health care they would have died quickly (or quicker if they are already room temperature).

The handicapped don't get as much as they should because our welfare system steals money from the truly needy to pay for the otherwise able-bodied low lifes that don't work. Your insults are stupid and juvenile.
 
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I think you're a bit confused....You're saying we are subservient because we vote for the candidate we see as the best fit for us among all potential candidates?

Well, if you start Chimping out for anyone who's smart enough to notice Trump's corruption & flaws like a few users did here for me pointing them out.

Then, yeah subservient idiots.

Corruption and flaws using your metrics?
You've already said you hate him because he hasn't promised you any free shit. You hate him because he engaged in locker room speak like real men with dicks do. You hate him because he banged a dirty liberal whore a decade ago.
Sorry bud, nobody sane and legitimate can take you seriously.

2 of my neighbors lost their houses in Pawling, NY because they were uninsured, and they fell gravely ill.

1 of them a fairly prosperous tavern owner.

Both of them White.

If I lost my job, or money, and I fell gravely ill, yes I think we shouldn't be letting this senselessness go on.

The problem is your lower intellectual functioning & lack of empathy, being that you're a classic Individualist savage.



PS.
Most mentally ill & mentally retarded get their aids, supervision, meds , housing etc. paid for by Medicaid

If you get rid of that, they'll be causing mischief in the streets all loopy.

Then like a dumb Bast@rd you'd probably complain about that too, because you're dumb & selfish.

Look bud, you beggars always label us whom make good decisions and pay our way as “savages”...I’m okay with it..in fact, I wear the label proudly as a token of achievement...thanks!

Good decisions?

So, a fairly prosperous tavern owner I know in Pawling, who took in probably 200K a year, who got a rare blood disease,
and lost his house because of it.
Is
a beggar?

Its called a sick person.

I don't mean a sick person like you are, as in you're mentally sick, emotionally detached, rationally impaired etc.
It sounds like his decision not to buy insurance was not wise.
 

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