Mass Killings: The Blame

[Tommy Tainant]

Inspirational. A speech no child should have to make. Lets hope Fox show it so that orange shit can see it.

She is NOT ALONE! A real grass movement is afoot; the usual promises to pray for 'them' has fallen on deaf ears, members of Congress who failed in their promises after the Vegas Massacre will soon have young, vibrant, well spoken and well funded opponents in the coming primaries.

Let the voters know, these members of Congress are culpable for the deaths by firearm of innocents attending school, concerts, theaters, and even church.

Opinion | The Congress Members Receiving the Most N.R.A. Funding

How will this pan out for trump ? Surely he will have to do something ?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Inspirational. A speech no child should have to make. Lets hope Fox show it so that orange shit can see it.

She is NOT ALONE! A real grass movement is afoot; the usual promises to pray for 'them' has fallen on deaf ears, members of Congress who failed in their promises after the Vegas Massacre will soon have young, vibrant, well spoken and well funded opponents in the coming primaries.

Let the voters know, these members of Congress are culpable for the deaths by firearm of innocents attending school, concerts, theaters, and even church.

Opinion | The Congress Members Receiving the Most N.R.A. Funding

"members of Congress who failed in their promises after the Vegas Massacre will soon have young, vibrant, well spoken and well funded opponents in the coming primaries."

Um they cannot run for Congress until the age of 25 years in age. These school children will have to wait 8-10 years.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Inspirational. A speech no child should have to make. Lets hope Fox show it so that orange shit can see it.

She is NOT ALONE! A real grass movement is afoot; the usual promises to pray for 'them' has fallen on deaf ears, members of Congress who failed in their promises after the Vegas Massacre will soon have young, vibrant, well spoken and well funded opponents in the coming primaries.

Let the voters know, these members of Congress are culpable for the deaths by firearm of innocents attending school, concerts, theaters, and even church.

Opinion | The Congress Members Receiving the Most N.R.A. Funding

How will this pan out for trump ? Surely he will have to do something ?

All that will occur is that they will make the background checks for mental health issues etc stricter, they will be no gun ban or gun grab or banning assault rifles etc no matter how much screeching the Leftists and their Brainwashed Teenage SJWs do.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The Blame is twofold:

1. the shooter

2. the system that allows unstable individuals to obtain and possess firearms

Means, opportunity and motivation: The first two are easy to identify, the last not so simple.

This ^^^ is why gun controls need to be considered, and not efforts to scapegoat the mentally ill, most of whom are peaceful.

"and not efforts to scapegoat the mentally ill, most of whom are peaceful."

When with a gun things change, if they are having a Psychotic Episode and have access to a firearm they are not so peaceful, this is why anyone with mental health issues should not be able to have access to a firearm.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I've said to severely control them both you unbelievably dense rightard. What is it with you people?

Maybe we know how to write and you don't. You said high capacity handguns. Handguns don't have high capacity--only magazines do. And that wouldn't do squat because a magazine can be changed in less than three seconds; one second with some practice. So again, nothing solved.

another poster when asked what he wanted banned the poster said

nearly the same thing

" high capacity handgun" and "military style semi autos" must be leftard talking point today

i didnt even bother to respond

--LOL

A distinction without a difference. You may believe knowledge of what a gun is called makes a difference, better to mock those who claim guns don't kill people as some guns are made for that express purpose.

well it certainly is a difference

making such statements as "high capacity handgun" only shows a poster does not know what the fuck they are talking about

Interesting comment, you must be an expert. But as Reagan is reported to have said, trust but verify, maybe the only thing he said I supported:

Gun Magazines | Pistol and High Capacity Magazines

KCI 27 Round Magazine Aftermarket Extended Magazine For GLOCK 21 / 30 .45 ACP Polymer - 45-27 - MAG-735

• Glock factory replacement magazines
• Factory 10-round magazines for 10-round states
• Increase your handgun’s capacity
• Double-stack design
• Constructed of stiff metal encased in Glock polymer
• Viewing windows for each cartridge for visual confirmation

so what is your point fuck head

i missed the reagan part where they are called high capacity handguns

 

[Tommy Tainant]

At least the kids are safe from kinder egg carnage.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Inspirational. A speech no child should have to make. Lets hope Fox show it so that orange shit can see it.

She is NOT ALONE! A real grass movement is afoot; the usual promises to pray for 'them' has fallen on deaf ears, members of Congress who failed in their promises after the Vegas Massacre will soon have young, vibrant, well spoken and well funded opponents in the coming primaries.

Let the voters know, these members of Congress are culpable for the deaths by firearm of innocents attending school, concerts, theaters, and even church.

Opinion | The Congress Members Receiving the Most N.R.A. Funding

How will this pan out for trump ? Surely he will have to do something ?

All that will occur is that they will make the background checks for mental health issues etc stricter, they will be no gun ban or gun grab or banning assault rifles etc no matter how much screeching the Leftists and their Brainwashed Teenage SJWs do.

I dont disagree with that . He will try and get away with doing as little as possible. Its what he is paid to do by his masters.

 

[Coyote]

And what else changed in that time period?

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?

Just answer the question, I don’t need to read your bizarre gerrymander of a thesis.

to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?


Or, I can answer for you.

Can’t answer a simple question or have already forgotten it?

well it certainly is a difference

making such statements as "high capacity handgun" only shows a poster does not know what the fuck they are talking about

It shows they only parrot pre-packaged slogans and buzz words as substitutes for thinking on their own.

You mean like “guns don’t kill people do”? Or Chicago leading the country in violent crime?

Try and find where I said that. And, your attempt at segueing away from shootings involving black yoofs to 'violent crime' isn't going well. See, most of us know that when it comes to crimes they aren't reported much, if at all, in Hood Rat game preserves, for one, and for another, changing the subject is conceding the point re firearms.

My comment wasn’t you specifically just as your comment was directed at a “they” and “them”.

The topic isn’t about race why are you making it about race?

Now that we have agreed that you are a coward, I'll answer for you.


1.Reliable Democrat voters have been trained never to question their masters, the elites.
I am perfectly willing to prove that you accept their orders without either hesitation or understanding....kind of like a trained seal.

2. Declining to answer whether you ascribe to collectivism or individualism, in effect, answered....you are a totalitarian: Hegel, Marx, the Left is your only religion.

3. Guns are not the problem.....folks like you are: you support the party that wished to drive religion and morality out of the public arena.

Your statement:
In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.

My question in response to it:
And what else changed in that time period?'









Do you read English?

 

[Trump The Mad King]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

I guess America just has a lot more crazy people than everyone else, if guns aren't the problem. That could very well be true, judging by how mentally disturbed Repugs like you think.

I'm just following your incoherent Repug "logic", that's all....

Morons like you are a tabula rasa in the sense that you know nothing....less than nothing.

But....I'm here to instruct dunces like you:

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

1) In his address to the nation after the Planned Parenthood attack, Obama claimed: “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings: This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”

Senator Harry Reid made a similar statement on June 23rd: “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs. Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”

We prefer not to make purely cross-sectional comparisons, but this claim is simply not true. The data below looks at the period of time from the beginning of the Obama administration in January 2009 until the end of 2015. Mass public shootings – defined as four or more people killed in a public place, and not in the course of committing another crime, and not involving struggles over sovereignty."
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center




Now, say 'thank you.'

The fact that you started this topic shows that, deep down, even someone as disturbed as you question the right of Americans to own military-style weapons like the AR-15. You're just too much of a coward to admit it on here.

You are mentally ill and deranged, like the vast majority of you gun enthusiasts.

 

[toobfreak]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

Idiots and liberals are not interested in causes and solutions, they are only interested in blame and fast, knee-jerk reactions. Blame the guns. Tell the government to save us. Yeah, that's it, and when we ban guns and the violence continues, then they can blame something else they don't like. Won't solve anything but at least it'll go after some of their pet peeves. You see, we aren't really interested in addressing the REAL PROBLEMS behind all these shootings:

1. Erosion of the family unit with one mommy and one daddy.
2. Religion and moral upbringing.
3. Put away the damned smartphone and go out and play in the real world.
4. Get the dysfunctional government out of being in charge of what and how our children think.
5. Go back to teaching personal responsibility and behavior instead of always blaming others.

These "real problems" also exist in countries that dont have mass shootings. Do you have anything of substance to add to this random list ?

I guess you slept through the thread about a week ago about the long list of mass killings in other countries where guns have been confiscated. You see, the killings still go on. They just use something else. Get your head out of your ass just this ONE TIME and translate mass "shootings" to mass KILLINGS.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?

Just answer the question, I don’t need to read your bizarre gerrymander of a thesis.

to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?


Or, I can answer for you.

Can’t answer a simple question or have already forgotten it?

It shows they only parrot pre-packaged slogans and buzz words as substitutes for thinking on their own.

You mean like “guns don’t kill people do”? Or Chicago leading the country in violent crime?

Try and find where I said that. And, your attempt at segueing away from shootings involving black yoofs to 'violent crime' isn't going well. See, most of us know that when it comes to crimes they aren't reported much, if at all, in Hood Rat game preserves, for one, and for another, changing the subject is conceding the point re firearms.

My comment wasn’t you specifically just as your comment was directed at a “they” and “them”.

The topic isn’t about race why are you making it about race?

Now that we have agreed that you are a coward, I'll answer for you.


1.Reliable Democrat voters have been trained never to question their masters, the elites.
I am perfectly willing to prove that you accept their orders without either hesitation or understanding....kind of like a trained seal.

2. Declining to answer whether you ascribe to collectivism or individualism, in effect, answered....you are a totalitarian: Hegel, Marx, the Left is your only religion.

3. Guns are not the problem.....folks like you are: you support the party that wished to drive religion and morality out of the public arena.

Your statement:
In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.

My question in response to it:
And what else changed in that time period?'


Do you read English?

"And what else changed in that time period?'"


The inordinate increase in power by an unAmerican political philosophy.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?




BTW...I read more than one language....but the key word is 'read.'
That describes only one of us.

 

[toobfreak]

I attended a school with unlocked doors and very little violence outside of kids getting into fist fights. It just never happened when I was younger, and mind you, our country had guns my entire life.

Okay, guy, here's the problem with that.

Back when you were a kid, not a lot of people owned guns, and they were mostly the hunting type.

Today we have more guns than we have people

And guess who sold more guns than anyone? Your buddy Barry Obama! Yep, when him and the Dems spoke of "cracking down" on gun sales several years ago, sales went through the roof. Thank you, Barry! Ammo was being sold left and right so much it was out of stock half the time. All we need is another Congressional scare of taking certain guns or ammo off the market and watch those sales fly. PEOPLE WANT GUNS. They want protected from the little commies like you that would disarm them. Guns are part of the American Way. As to there being more than 320 million guns in the country and the rest of your silly tirade, ------- BULLSHIT. Show the data.

 

[Coyote]

Just answer the question, I don’t need to read your bizarre gerrymander of a thesis.

to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?


Or, I can answer for you.

Can’t answer a simple question or have already forgotten it?

You mean like “guns don’t kill people do”? Or Chicago leading the country in violent crime?

Try and find where I said that. And, your attempt at segueing away from shootings involving black yoofs to 'violent crime' isn't going well. See, most of us know that when it comes to crimes they aren't reported much, if at all, in Hood Rat game preserves, for one, and for another, changing the subject is conceding the point re firearms.

My comment wasn’t you specifically just as your comment was directed at a “they” and “them”.

The topic isn’t about race why are you making it about race?

Now that we have agreed that you are a coward, I'll answer for you.


1.Reliable Democrat voters have been trained never to question their masters, the elites.
I am perfectly willing to prove that you accept their orders without either hesitation or understanding....kind of like a trained seal.

2. Declining to answer whether you ascribe to collectivism or individualism, in effect, answered....you are a totalitarian: Hegel, Marx, the Left is your only religion.

3. Guns are not the problem.....folks like you are: you support the party that wished to drive religion and morality out of the public arena.

Your statement:
In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.

My question in response to it:
And what else changed in that time period?'


Do you read English?

"And what else changed in that time period?'"


The inordinate increase in power by an unAmerican political philosophy.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?




BTW...I read more than one language....but the key word is 'read.'
That describes only one of us.

More nonsense.

DC crime rate and gun control. Focus please.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

I guess America just has a lot more crazy people than everyone else, if guns aren't the problem. That could very well be true, judging by how mentally disturbed Repugs like you think.

I'm just following your incoherent Repug "logic", that's all....

Morons like you are a tabula rasa in the sense that you know nothing....less than nothing.

But....I'm here to instruct dunces like you:

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

1) In his address to the nation after the Planned Parenthood attack, Obama claimed: “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings: This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”

Senator Harry Reid made a similar statement on June 23rd: “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs. Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”

We prefer not to make purely cross-sectional comparisons, but this claim is simply not true. The data below looks at the period of time from the beginning of the Obama administration in January 2009 until the end of 2015. Mass public shootings – defined as four or more people killed in a public place, and not in the course of committing another crime, and not involving struggles over sovereignty."
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center




Now, say 'thank you.'

The fact that you started this topic shows that, deep down, even someone as disturbed as you question the right of Americans to own military-style weapons like the AR-15. You're just too much of a coward to admit it on here.

You are mentally ill and deranged, like the vast majority of you gun enthusiasts.

You may attempt to try to change the subject....that I began....but I will not allow it.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”




Now....just between us....don't you often wish you had an education, and knew who these individuals that I've mentioned, are?

 

[PoliticalChic]

to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?


Or, I can answer for you.

Can’t answer a simple question or have already forgotten it?

Try and find where I said that. And, your attempt at segueing away from shootings involving black yoofs to 'violent crime' isn't going well. See, most of us know that when it comes to crimes they aren't reported much, if at all, in Hood Rat game preserves, for one, and for another, changing the subject is conceding the point re firearms.

My comment wasn’t you specifically just as your comment was directed at a “they” and “them”.

The topic isn’t about race why are you making it about race?

Now that we have agreed that you are a coward, I'll answer for you.


1.Reliable Democrat voters have been trained never to question their masters, the elites.
I am perfectly willing to prove that you accept their orders without either hesitation or understanding....kind of like a trained seal.

2. Declining to answer whether you ascribe to collectivism or individualism, in effect, answered....you are a totalitarian: Hegel, Marx, the Left is your only religion.

3. Guns are not the problem.....folks like you are: you support the party that wished to drive religion and morality out of the public arena.

Your statement:
In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.

My question in response to it:
And what else changed in that time period?'


Do you read English?

"And what else changed in that time period?'"


The inordinate increase in power by an unAmerican political philosophy.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?




BTW...I read more than one language....but the key word is 'read.'
That describes only one of us.

More nonsense.

DC crime rate and gun control. Focus please.

You may attempt to try to change the subject....that I began....but I will not allow it.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”




Now....just between us....don't you often wish you had an education, and knew who these individuals that I've mentioned, are?

 

[Coyote]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

I guess America just has a lot more crazy people than everyone else, if guns aren't the problem. That could very well be true, judging by how mentally disturbed Repugs like you think.

I'm just following your incoherent Repug "logic", that's all....

Morons like you are a tabula rasa in the sense that you know nothing....less than nothing.

But....I'm here to instruct dunces like you:

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

1) In his address to the nation after the Planned Parenthood attack, Obama claimed: “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings: This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”

Senator Harry Reid made a similar statement on June 23rd: “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs. Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”

We prefer not to make purely cross-sectional comparisons, but this claim is simply not true. The data below looks at the period of time from the beginning of the Obama administration in January 2009 until the end of 2015. Mass public shootings – defined as four or more people killed in a public place, and not in the course of committing another crime, and not involving struggles over sovereignty."
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center




Now, say 'thank you.'

The fact that you started this topic shows that, deep down, even someone as disturbed as you question the right of Americans to own military-style weapons like the AR-15. You're just too much of a coward to admit it on here.

You are mentally ill and deranged, like the vast majority of you gun enthusiasts.

You may attempt to try to change the subject....that I began....but I will not allow it.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”




Now....just between us....don't you often wish you had an education, and knew who these individuals that I've mentioned, are?

Lets attempt to get you back on track. You made a comment on gun control and DC crime rate - does that jog your memory?

Let me know when it does and we'll move on to the next point. Until then discussion is futile.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?


Or, I can answer for you.

Can’t answer a simple question or have already forgotten it?

Try and find where I said that. And, your attempt at segueing away from shootings involving black yoofs to 'violent crime' isn't going well. See, most of us know that when it comes to crimes they aren't reported much, if at all, in Hood Rat game preserves, for one, and for another, changing the subject is conceding the point re firearms.

My comment wasn’t you specifically just as your comment was directed at a “they” and “them”.

The topic isn’t about race why are you making it about race?

Now that we have agreed that you are a coward, I'll answer for you.


1.Reliable Democrat voters have been trained never to question their masters, the elites.
I am perfectly willing to prove that you accept their orders without either hesitation or understanding....kind of like a trained seal.

2. Declining to answer whether you ascribe to collectivism or individualism, in effect, answered....you are a totalitarian: Hegel, Marx, the Left is your only religion.

3. Guns are not the problem.....folks like you are: you support the party that wished to drive religion and morality out of the public arena.

Your statement:
In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.

My question in response to it:
And what else changed in that time period?'


Do you read English?

"And what else changed in that time period?'"


The inordinate increase in power by an unAmerican political philosophy.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Let's prove it together: to which view do you subscribe.....Hegel or Thoreau?




BTW...I read more than one language....but the key word is 'read.'
That describes only one of us.

More nonsense.

DC crime rate and gun control. Focus please.

^^^^ These are some of the survivors of the Florida School Shooting striking poses for the camera, um they DON'T look very TRAUMATISED do they? No they all look very HAPPY and ready to begin Marching and Screeching like good Brainwashed SJWs for the Leftist Agenda aka Ban All Guns Because That Is What The ODing On Kool Aid Has Told Us To Screech and March For.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

I guess America just has a lot more crazy people than everyone else, if guns aren't the problem. That could very well be true, judging by how mentally disturbed Repugs like you think.

I'm just following your incoherent Repug "logic", that's all....

Morons like you are a tabula rasa in the sense that you know nothing....less than nothing.

But....I'm here to instruct dunces like you:

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

1) In his address to the nation after the Planned Parenthood attack, Obama claimed: “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings: This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”

Senator Harry Reid made a similar statement on June 23rd: “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs. Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”

We prefer not to make purely cross-sectional comparisons, but this claim is simply not true. The data below looks at the period of time from the beginning of the Obama administration in January 2009 until the end of 2015. Mass public shootings – defined as four or more people killed in a public place, and not in the course of committing another crime, and not involving struggles over sovereignty."
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center




Now, say 'thank you.'

The fact that you started this topic shows that, deep down, even someone as disturbed as you question the right of Americans to own military-style weapons like the AR-15. You're just too much of a coward to admit it on here.

You are mentally ill and deranged, like the vast majority of you gun enthusiasts.

You may attempt to try to change the subject....that I began....but I will not allow it.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”




Now....just between us....don't you often wish you had an education, and knew who these individuals that I've mentioned, are?

Lets attempt to get you back on track. You made a comment on gun control and DC crime rate - does that jog your memory?

Let me know when it does and we'll move on to the next point. Until then discussion is futile.

Why are you loathe to answer this query?


1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



Are you a supporter of Hegel....or Thoreau?

 

[Trump The Mad King]

What is the explanation….seems to be more and more mass killings….

1. Guns???

If guns kill people, I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.
No….it’s not inanimate objects that are the ultimate cause.

….there were lots of guns in earlier times….the .45 cal handgun was available….it’s called the 1911 because it was developed in 1911…and it has been ubiquitous since World War I.

In the 1990s with a handgun ban in effect, Wash DC had the highest murder rate in Western Civilization, ….and now you can own guns legally, and the homicide rate has declined.



2. Well, there was the St Valentine’s Day Massacre….and the Texas Tower…but, today we have incidents like the school shooting, and I heard on the news that Chicago sends police to funerals, where people are shooting others who they claim caused the the death they were memorializing.

And this….
“6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.”
6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa.


It’s practically commonplace today.


But, no… not the availability of guns….it’s the degradation of the culture.

It's something else.....something that didn't begin with the start of this nation.

I guess America just has a lot more crazy people than everyone else, if guns aren't the problem. That could very well be true, judging by how mentally disturbed Repugs like you think.

I'm just following your incoherent Repug "logic", that's all....

Morons like you are a tabula rasa in the sense that you know nothing....less than nothing.

But....I'm here to instruct dunces like you:

Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

1) In his address to the nation after the Planned Parenthood attack, Obama claimed: “I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings: This just doesn’t happen in other countries.”

Senator Harry Reid made a similar statement on June 23rd: “The United States is the only advanced country where this type of mass violence occurs. Let’s do something. We can expand, for example, background checks. … We should support not giving guns to people who are mentally ill and felons.”

We prefer not to make purely cross-sectional comparisons, but this claim is simply not true. The data below looks at the period of time from the beginning of the Obama administration in January 2009 until the end of 2015. Mass public shootings – defined as four or more people killed in a public place, and not in the course of committing another crime, and not involving struggles over sovereignty."
UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center




Now, say 'thank you.'

The fact that you started this topic shows that, deep down, even someone as disturbed as you question the right of Americans to own military-style weapons like the AR-15. You're just too much of a coward to admit it on here.

You are mentally ill and deranged, like the vast majority of you gun enthusiasts.

You may attempt to try to change the subject....that I began....but I will not allow it.

1. Let me review the view set forth in the OP.....
....it is not weapons of any sort.
It is the plummeting view of the value of human life that began with Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.


2. Mull this quote over:

Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”

That is the view of every one of these political stances:
Communism, Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism.



3. Seen even more darkly here:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky


4. My claim is that the American view, here, would result in a very different society, one that takes lives far less frequently:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”




Now....just between us....don't you often wish you had an education, and knew who these individuals that I've mentioned, are?

It doesn't matter which scholars I know or don't know. I just know that you are a mentally deranged gun nut.

How else do you explain why ordinary Americans should be allowed to own a killing machine like the AR-15? Sicko.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Inspirational. A speech no child should have to make. Lets hope Fox show it so that orange shit can see it.

Good thing that Emma Gonzalez is in Florida, if she would have been in her Ancestral Home Mexico she probably already would have been shot dead by one of Mexico's Drug Cartels already. She should be happy she is in the American nation, unlike Mexico it not being in the control of Drug Cartels, so she gets to live and be a skinhead Bull Dyke screeching into a microphone demanding that the ENTIRE American population is disarmed, perhaps she should turn her attention to Mexico and screech and demand that the Mexican Government disarmed all the Drug Cartels and put a stop to them using Mexican girls who look like Emma Gonzalez as Drug Mules etc before they shoot them.