Matt Gaetz says gun are not hunting , their to take down the government.

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

And this post is further proof that you know good and motherfucking well what Scalia was gutless in Heller. What he should have done (and you fucking know it) is to declare all federal gun laws UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You KNOW it.

Interesting. And having done so, how would you justify keeping firearms out of the hands of people in prison?

State laws.

Next.

 

[meaner gene]

And this post is further proof that you know good and motherfucking well what Scalia was gutless in Heller. What he should have done (and you fucking know it) is to declare all federal gun laws UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You KNOW it.

Interesting. And having done so, how would you justify keeping firearms out of the hands of people in prison?

State laws.

Next.

What about federal prisons?

 

[CremeBrulee]

Different caliber

Fowlers came in a variety of calibers. For the most part militia laws only required them to above .69.

take different projectiles

both took ball or shot

have completely different range

the range would have varied depending on what musket you had and what you hunted with it. Standardized production played a large part in this as well.


I think you are still confused about muskets and rifles. A fowler is a musket not a rifle.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Mitch McConnell has stacked the courts, denying qualified judges a hearing, and putting unqualified (except for their political views) judges onto the federal bench.

Spot on.

Like the executive branch and Senate, the judiciary is fundamentally un-democratic, reflecting the will of the majority of the states, not the people.

With control of the judiciary Republicans can maintain minority rule and defy the will of the majority as expressed via the democratic process.

 

[meaner gene]

Without federal gun laws, what would prevent an armed group or individual from entering congress or the white house, or any other federal property, territory or building.

People in federal prison would have the right to bear arms. People, including the defendant could bring guns into federal court. Individuals could bring guns when called in for an IRS audit.

You see where this is going.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I have guns, and I'm keeping them.

And?

No one seeks to compel you or anyone else to ‘give up’ your guns.

I also have guns and plan on keeping them – but I don’t advance ridiculous lies about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscations’ as most conservatives do.

 

[freyasman]

I have guns, and I'm keeping them.

And?

No one seeks to compel you or anyone else to ‘give up’ your guns.

I also have guns and plan on keeping them – but I don’t advance ridiculous lies about ‘bans’ and ‘confiscations’ as most conservatives do.

Yeah, you're a liar though.

 

[meaner gene]

have completely different range

the range would have varied depending on what musket you had and what you hunted with it. Standardized production played a large part in this as well.

I think you are still confused about muskets and rifles. A fowler is a musket not a rifle.

Fowlers had an effective range of maybe 50 yards. The army fought at twice that distance.

[FEATURE ARTICLE] A Fowler Musket With a Rhode Island Connection

The Varnum Memorial Armory Museum archives are a genuine treasure trove. Armory Museum Curator Patrick Donovan and his team continue to sift through decades of acquisitions, and have come up with some surprising pieces. Recently, an item was discovered that carries an interesting history of its...

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Details of our fowler musket
The weapon itself is typical of the type of flintlock musket that hung over the mantle of nearly every early colonist. No home was complete without a long gun as it was vital for gathering food and, in some cases, for defense. This particular musket is what was commonly known as a “fowler”, a term that originated in the 17th century. The gun was used for hunting game, most commonly wild ducks, geese and other fowl: hence, the name. The barrel is 62.25 inches in length (as opposed to 55 inches for the standard “Brown Bess” type) with a bore diameter of .75 inches.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Without federal gun laws, what would prevent an armed group or individual from entering congress or the white house, or any other federal property, territory or building.

People in federal prison would have the right to bear arms. People, including the defendant could bring guns into federal court. Individuals could bring guns when called in for an IRS audit.

You see where this is going.

That conservatives advocate for such reckless, irresponsible nonsense illustrates their contempt for Heller and Second Amendment jurisprudence – indeed, their contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution itself.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

True but the Constitution only protects gun ownership in THAT regard

…if the Supreme Court had ruled in such a manner as to codify the collective right, but it didn’t.

Yes, under the collective right interpretation of the Second Amendment DC’s handgun ban would be Constitutional, as no resident of the District had neither the need nor reason to participate in a militia.

Moreover, the collective right interpretation likely would not have resulted in the incorporation of the Second Amendment to the states and local jurisdictions – allowing the states and local jurisdictions to decide for themselves what firearm regulatory measures are appropriate and what are not, consistent with states’ rights and local rule dogma.

Such is the irony of conservative hypocrisy.

 

[meaner gene]

That conservatives advocate for such reckless, irresponsible nonsense illustrates their contempt for Heller and Second Amendment jurisprudence – indeed, their contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution itself.

They are reckless in their zeal.
There's law on the governor of Texas's desk that would make anyone over 21 eligible to carry a handgun in public. No training, or proficiency or background checks.

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations | Concealedcarry-ed.com™

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations Including Transportation of Firearms, Alcohol and Consumption While Carrying, and Texas CCW Reciprocity.

www.concealedcarry-ed.com

Texas License to Carry Permit Requirements
Applicant Requirements:

You must be 21 years of age or older to apply for a Texas License to Carry (LTC).
You must have a valid government-issued identification card, such as driver's license from Texas or another state.
You must meet all qualifications to purchase a handgun.
You must pass an approved classroom or online training course and demonstrate handgun proficiency shooting with a Texas-qualified LTC instructor.


All that gets tossed out the window.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

have completely different range

the range would have varied depending on what musket you had and what you hunted with it. Standardized production played a large part in this as well.

I think you are still confused about muskets and rifles. A fowler is a musket not a rifle.

Fowlers had an effective range of maybe 50 yards. The army fought at twice that distance.

[FEATURE ARTICLE] A Fowler Musket With a Rhode Island Connection

The Varnum Memorial Armory Museum archives are a genuine treasure trove. Armory Museum Curator Patrick Donovan and his team continue to sift through decades of acquisitions, and have come up with some surprising pieces. Recently, an item was discovered that carries an interesting history of its...

varnumcontinentals.org

Details of our fowler musket
The weapon itself is typical of the type of flintlock musket that hung over the mantle of nearly every early colonist. No home was complete without a long gun as it was vital for gathering food and, in some cases, for defense. This particular musket is what was commonly known as a “fowler”, a term that originated in the 17th century. The gun was used for hunting game, most commonly wild ducks, geese and other fowl: hence, the name. The barrel is 62.25 inches in length (as opposed to 55 inches for the standard “Brown Bess” type) with a bore diameter of .75 inches.

Wrong again, there was no way the army fought at 50 yards or longer, because the Musket couldnt hit shit past 20 yards. Why else did the commanders cry "wait till you see the whites of their eyes"? That was 10 yards of just over it...

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Without federal gun laws, what would prevent an armed group or individual from entering congress or the white house, or any other federal property, territory or building.

People in federal prison would have the right to bear arms. People, including the defendant could bring guns into federal court. Individuals could bring guns when called in for an IRS audit.

You see where this is going.

Why do the criminals always seem to get illegal guns to use on Law Abiding Citizens? The criminals dont go into a gun store to pass a background check...stupid moron...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That conservatives advocate for such reckless, irresponsible nonsense illustrates their contempt for Heller and Second Amendment jurisprudence – indeed, their contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution itself.

They are reckless in their zeal.
There's law on the governor of Texas's desk that would make anyone over 21 eligible to carry a handgun in public. No training, or proficiency or background checks.

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations | Concealedcarry-ed.com™

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations Including Transportation of Firearms, Alcohol and Consumption While Carrying, and Texas CCW Reciprocity.

www.concealedcarry-ed.com

Texas License to Carry Permit Requirements
Applicant Requirements:

You must be 21 years of age or older to apply for a Texas License to Carry (LTC).
You must have a valid government-issued identification card, such as driver's license from Texas or another state.
You must meet all qualifications to purchase a handgun.
You must pass an approved classroom or online training course and demonstrate handgun proficiency shooting with a Texas-qualified LTC instructor.


All that gets tossed out the window.

Yes, conservative Orwellian doublespeak refers to such measures as ‘constitutional carry’ – when in fact laws requiring a permit or license to carry a firearm are also Constitutional carry.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

True but the Constitution only protects gun ownership in THAT regard

…if the Supreme Court had ruled in such a manner as to codify the collective right, but it didn’t.

Yes, under the collective right interpretation of the Second Amendment DC’s handgun ban would be Constitutional, as no resident of the District had neither the need nor reason to participate in a militia.

Moreover, the collective right interpretation likely would not have resulted in the incorporation of the Second Amendment to the states and local jurisdictions – allowing the states and local jurisdictions to decide for themselves what firearm regulatory measures are appropriate and what are not, consistent with states’ rights and local rule dogma.

Such is the irony of conservative hypocrisy.

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If states have the ‘right’ to compel a woman to give birth against her will through force of law or deny same-sex couples from accessing a state’s marriage law, then states also have the right to enact an AWB.

Conservatives can’t have it both ways.

Rightists are infamous for their hypocrisy.

 

[freyasman]

That conservatives advocate for such reckless, irresponsible nonsense illustrates their contempt for Heller and Second Amendment jurisprudence – indeed, their contempt for the rule of law and the Constitution itself.

They are reckless in their zeal.
There's law on the governor of Texas's desk that would make anyone over 21 eligible to carry a handgun in public. No training, or proficiency or background checks.

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations | Concealedcarry-ed.com™

Texas Concealed Carry Laws & Regulations Including Transportation of Firearms, Alcohol and Consumption While Carrying, and Texas CCW Reciprocity.

www.concealedcarry-ed.com

Texas License to Carry Permit Requirements
Applicant Requirements:

You must be 21 years of age or older to apply for a Texas License to Carry (LTC).
You must have a valid government-issued identification card, such as driver's license from Texas or another state.
You must meet all qualifications to purchase a handgun.
You must pass an approved classroom or online training course and demonstrate handgun proficiency shooting with a Texas-qualified LTC instructor.


All that gets tossed out the window.

Yes, conservative Orwellian doublespeak refers to such measures as ‘constitutional carry’ – when in fact laws requiring a permit or license to carry a firearm are also Constitutional carry.

No it's not.

 

[bodecea]

True but the Constitution only protects gun ownership in THAT regard

…if the Supreme Court had ruled in such a manner as to codify the collective right, but it didn’t.

Yes, under the collective right interpretation of the Second Amendment DC’s handgun ban would be Constitutional, as no resident of the District had neither the need nor reason to participate in a militia.

Moreover, the collective right interpretation likely would not have resulted in the incorporation of the Second Amendment to the states and local jurisdictions – allowing the states and local jurisdictions to decide for themselves what firearm regulatory measures are appropriate and what are not, consistent with states’ rights and local rule dogma.

Such is the irony of conservative hypocrisy.

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I'm fulling in support of guns. I have a few myself. In fact, guns would make an excellent deterrent for underaged girls when some, let's say, creepy Congressman, tries to push them into sex trafficking.

 

[progressive hunter]

True but the Constitution only protects gun ownership in THAT regard

…if the Supreme Court had ruled in such a manner as to codify the collective right, but it didn’t.

Yes, under the collective right interpretation of the Second Amendment DC’s handgun ban would be Constitutional, as no resident of the District had neither the need nor reason to participate in a militia.

Moreover, the collective right interpretation likely would not have resulted in the incorporation of the Second Amendment to the states and local jurisdictions – allowing the states and local jurisdictions to decide for themselves what firearm regulatory measures are appropriate and what are not, consistent with states’ rights and local rule dogma.

Such is the irony of conservative hypocrisy.

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I'm fulling in support of guns. I have a few myself. In fact, guns would make an excellent deterrent for underaged girls when some, let's say, creepy Congressman, tries to push them into sex trafficking.

or when joe biden walks into the room,,,

 

[CremeBrulee]

have completely different range

the range would have varied depending on what musket you had and what you hunted with it. Standardized production played a large part in this as well.

I think you are still confused about muskets and rifles. A fowler is a musket not a rifle.

Fowlers had an effective range of maybe 50 yards. The army fought at twice that distance.

[FEATURE ARTICLE] A Fowler Musket With a Rhode Island Connection

The Varnum Memorial Armory Museum archives are a genuine treasure trove. Armory Museum Curator Patrick Donovan and his team continue to sift through decades of acquisitions, and have come up with some surprising pieces. Recently, an item was discovered that carries an interesting history of its...

varnumcontinentals.org

Details of our fowler musket
The weapon itself is typical of the type of flintlock musket that hung over the mantle of nearly every early colonist. No home was complete without a long gun as it was vital for gathering food and, in some cases, for defense. This particular musket is what was commonly known as a “fowler”, a term that originated in the 17th century. The gun was used for hunting game, most commonly wild ducks, geese and other fowl: hence, the name. The barrel is 62.25 inches in length (as opposed to 55 inches for the standard “Brown Bess” type) with a bore diameter of .75 inches.

Sure that particular, unique MUSKET has a range of 50 yards. The range isn't the point of contention. It's the nitpicking about muskets and rifles. While technically different, people use the terms muskets and rifles interchangeably. That's what started this: someone referring to muskets as rifles in a generalized way. Kind of like people saying cars when they are speaking about trucks. We both know what he was talking about but it spun out into the difference between the two and those differences having some sort of relation to the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Auld Phart]

have completely different range

the range would have varied depending on what musket you had and what you hunted with it. Standardized production played a large part in this as well.

I think you are still confused about muskets and rifles. A fowler is a musket not a rifle.

Fowlers had an effective range of maybe 50 yards. The army fought at twice that distance.

[FEATURE ARTICLE] A Fowler Musket With a Rhode Island Connection

The Varnum Memorial Armory Museum archives are a genuine treasure trove. Armory Museum Curator Patrick Donovan and his team continue to sift through decades of acquisitions, and have come up with some surprising pieces. Recently, an item was discovered that carries an interesting history of its...

varnumcontinentals.org

Details of our fowler musket
The weapon itself is typical of the type of flintlock musket that hung over the mantle of nearly every early colonist. No home was complete without a long gun as it was vital for gathering food and, in some cases, for defense. This particular musket is what was commonly known as a “fowler”, a term that originated in the 17th century. The gun was used for hunting game, most commonly wild ducks, geese and other fowl: hence, the name. The barrel is 62.25 inches in length (as opposed to 55 inches for the standard “Brown Bess” type) with a bore diameter of .75 inches.

Sure that particular, unique MUSKET has a range of 50 yards. The range isn't the point of contention. It's the nitpicking about muskets and rifles. While technically different, people use the terms muskets and rifles interchangeably. That's what started this: someone referring to muskets as rifles in a generalized way. Kind of like people saying cars when they are speaking about trucks. We both know what he was talking about but it spun out into the difference between the two and those differences having some sort of relation to the 2nd Amendment.

Kind of like people saying cars when they are speaking about trucks.

Good point.

Vehicles can be cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc

Somehow, 'arms' has come to mean 'rifles'

Arms covers a range of firearms, not just rifles.