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I was very weirded out by it as well and I still am... I just can't relate. You will see many of the arguments made against gays are now being made about transgenders. It took decades for people to accept gays to the point where many do today... There are still many that are very much against it...
Well, I totally disagree with you equating gay people to transgendered people. There are big differences there, IMO. Homosexuals do not think they are something they are not.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
To me, transgenderism is very similar to anorexia or any other type of body dysmorphic disorder, and giving them potentially dangerous hormones and surgeries are akin to performing a Lap band procedure on an anorexic.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It was on the DSM before the liberals made a stink over it because they didn't think "transgenders" should face the stigmata of "mental illness" diagnosis. There is absolutely no evidence that they are men stuck in women's bodies or women stuck in men's bodies.
What is the basis of your assessment regarding gender? Again you're offering yoru personal opinion on the matter......vs the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals that contradict you.
Why would I care about your opinion and ignore the single most respected diagnostic manual for mental health in this country, 36,000 mental health professionals and the entire APA?
Mental health profession has been "forced" into what they are doing today. In fact, a lot of times they don't even get to treat a transgendered person. They HAVE to refer them out to a "gender specialist." Lol. There's a LOT of money to made in surgical treatments, you know?
Well, I totally disagree with you equating gay people to transgendered people. There are big differences there, IMO. Homosexuals do not think they are something they are not.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
To me, transgenderism is very similar to anorexia or any other type of body dysmorphic disorder, and giving them potentially dangerous hormones and surgeries are akin to performing a Lap band procedure on an anorexic.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It was on the DSM before the liberals made a stink over it because they didn't think "transgenders" should face the stigmata of "mental illness" diagnosis. There is absolutely no evidence that they are men stuck in women's bodies or women stuck in men's bodies.
What is the basis of your assessment regarding gender? Again you're offering yoru personal opinion on the matter......vs the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals that contradict you.
Why would I care about your opinion and ignore the single most respected diagnostic manual for mental health in this country, 36,000 mental health professionals and the entire APA?
Mental health profession has been "forced" into what they are doing today. In fact, a lot of times they don't even get to treat a transgendered person. They HAVE to refer them out to a "gender specialist." Lol. There's a LOT of money to made in surgical treatments, you know?
Says you. Do you realize how utterly dependent you are on your personal opinion being accepted as fact.
Um, your opinion isn't fact. And your opinion is all you have.
Meanwhile, you're contradicted by the DSM, the APA and tens of thousands of mental health professionals. Why would I ignore them....and believe you?
I was very weirded out by it as well and I still am... I just can't relate. You will see many of the arguments made against gays are now being made about transgenders. It took decades for people to accept gays to the point where many do today... There are still many that are very much against it...
Well, I totally disagree with you equating gay people to transgendered people. There are big differences there, IMO. Homosexuals do not think they are something they are not.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
To me, transgenderism is very similar to anorexia or any other type of body dysmorphic disorder, and giving them potentially dangerous hormones and surgeries are akin to performing a Lap band procedure on an anorexic.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It's very much similar to the anorexic who insists she is "fat" when there is absolutely no evidence of this being the case, and all evidence points in the opposite direction.
Says who? You're running into the same rhetorical brick wall again and again; you're offering my opinion as fact, backed by nothing. While ignoring tens of thousands of mental health care professionals and the most universally respected diagnostic manual on mental health in the country.
Our sources are not equal.
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Come on! Enough with this insanity!
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It was on the DSM before the liberals made a stink over it because they didn't think "transgenders" should face the stigmata of "mental illness" diagnosis. There is absolutely no evidence that they are men stuck in women's bodies or women stuck in men's bodies.
What is the basis of your assessment regarding gender? Again you're offering yoru personal opinion on the matter......vs the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals that contradict you.
Why would I care about your opinion and ignore the single most respected diagnostic manual for mental health in this country, 36,000 mental health professionals and the entire APA?
Mental health profession has been "forced" into what they are doing today. In fact, a lot of times they don't even get to treat a transgendered person. They HAVE to refer them out to a "gender specialist." Lol. There's a LOT of money to made in surgical treatments, you know?
Says you. Do you realize how utterly dependent you are on your personal opinion being accepted as fact.
Um, your opinion isn't fact. And your opinion is all you have.
Meanwhile, you're contradicted by the DSM, the APA and tens of thousands of mental health professionals. Why would I ignore them....and believe you?
The chief of psychiatry at John Hopkins for ONE, agrees with me.
Well, I totally disagree with you equating gay people to transgendered people. There are big differences there, IMO. Homosexuals do not think they are something they are not.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
To me, transgenderism is very similar to anorexia or any other type of body dysmorphic disorder, and giving them potentially dangerous hormones and surgeries are akin to performing a Lap band procedure on an anorexic.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It's very much similar to the anorexic who insists she is "fat" when there is absolutely no evidence of this being the case, and all evidence points in the opposite direction.
Says who? You're running into the same rhetorical brick wall again and again; you're offering my opinion as fact, backed by nothing. While ignoring tens of thousands of mental health care professionals and the most universally respected diagnostic manual on mental health in the country.
Our sources are not equal.
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Says you, citing your personal opinion.
Do you have anything else? Is this really the extent of your argument? One long begging the question fallacy?
If so, that was easy.
It was on the DSM before the liberals made a stink over it because they didn't think "transgenders" should face the stigmata of "mental illness" diagnosis. There is absolutely no evidence that they are men stuck in women's bodies or women stuck in men's bodies.
What is the basis of your assessment regarding gender? Again you're offering yoru personal opinion on the matter......vs the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals that contradict you.
Why would I care about your opinion and ignore the single most respected diagnostic manual for mental health in this country, 36,000 mental health professionals and the entire APA?
Mental health profession has been "forced" into what they are doing today. In fact, a lot of times they don't even get to treat a transgendered person. They HAVE to refer them out to a "gender specialist." Lol. There's a LOT of money to made in surgical treatments, you know?
Says you. Do you realize how utterly dependent you are on your personal opinion being accepted as fact.
Um, your opinion isn't fact. And your opinion is all you have.
Meanwhile, you're contradicted by the DSM, the APA and tens of thousands of mental health professionals. Why would I ignore them....and believe you?
The chief of psychiatry at John Hopkins for ONE, agrees with me.
And the authors of the study's he cited agree with me. Along with the APA, the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals.
It was on the DSM before the liberals made a stink over it because they didn't think "transgenders" should face the stigmata of "mental illness" diagnosis. There is absolutely no evidence that they are men stuck in women's bodies or women stuck in men's bodies.
What is the basis of your assessment regarding gender? Again you're offering yoru personal opinion on the matter......vs the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals that contradict you.
Why would I care about your opinion and ignore the single most respected diagnostic manual for mental health in this country, 36,000 mental health professionals and the entire APA?
Mental health profession has been "forced" into what they are doing today. In fact, a lot of times they don't even get to treat a transgendered person. They HAVE to refer them out to a "gender specialist." Lol. There's a LOT of money to made in surgical treatments, you know?
Says you. Do you realize how utterly dependent you are on your personal opinion being accepted as fact.
Um, your opinion isn't fact. And your opinion is all you have.
Meanwhile, you're contradicted by the DSM, the APA and tens of thousands of mental health professionals. Why would I ignore them....and believe you?
The chief of psychiatry at John Hopkins for ONE, agrees with me.
And the authors of the study's he cited agree with me. Along with the APA, the DSM and tens of thousands of mental health professionals.
And the man you're citing isn't the Chief of Psychiatry at John Hopkins. He's the *former* chief.
Are you saying you want a person born female using the ladies room no matter how much she appears to be a male? I don't think most women would agree.Put into your own words... What aspects of a transgender in your restroom is violating your privacy?
What is it that you are finding so difficult to understand?
A “transgender woman” is not a woman at all, but, as a matter of unalterable biological fact, a man. Women do not want men in their restrooms, locker rooms, or other similar facilities, and to compel them to endure that is a violation of their privacy.
It makes no difference if the man in question claims to “identify as a woman”. It makes no difference if he has had himself chemically- and/or surgically mutilated in order to appear more feminine. He's still a man, and he still has no damn business being in the women's facilities.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
I get that you feel that way. Tens of thousands of medical professionals and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders contradict you.
I'll go with the professionals and the DSM over your feelings on the matter.
It's very much similar to the anorexic who insists she is "fat" when there is absolutely no evidence of this being the case, and all evidence points in the opposite direction.
Says who? You're running into the same rhetorical brick wall again and again; you're offering my opinion as fact, backed by nothing. While ignoring tens of thousands of mental health care professionals and the most universally respected diagnostic manual on mental health in the country.
Our sources are not equal.
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Says you, citing your personal opinion.
Do you have anything else? Is this really the extent of your argument? One long begging the question fallacy?
If so, that was easy.
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.
Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
You people are psychotics, seriously.
You people are psychotics, seriously.
No, we simply don't accept your personal opinion as objective evidence.
Nor would any rational person.
It's very much similar to the anorexic who insists she is "fat" when there is absolutely no evidence of this being the case, and all evidence points in the opposite direction.
Says who? You're running into the same rhetorical brick wall again and again; you're offering my opinion as fact, backed by nothing. While ignoring tens of thousands of mental health care professionals and the most universally respected diagnostic manual on mental health in the country.
Our sources are not equal.
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Says you, citing your personal opinion.
Do you have anything else? Is this really the extent of your argument? One long begging the question fallacy?
If so, that was easy.
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
And Dr. McHugh is contradicted by the authors of the very studies he cited. Shall we discuss McHugh's citation of the 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden?
I've got an interview with the author right here, Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, insisting that her work was grossly misrepresented by people like McHugh.
And since none of McHugh's studies were on transgender people, why would I ignore the author of the very studies that McHugh cites? Researchers that even McHugh recognizes as experts in their field?
Why would you ignore them?
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
With none of those studies about transgender people.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.
Lets see the study. If its Dhejne's work, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
Then why did the author of that study also contradict Dr. McHugh? And find that those children who had the clinical tansgender characteristics as children overwhelmingly didn't lose them over time?
Again, lets see the study. You won't like what the author of that study has to say either.
Says who? You're running into the same rhetorical brick wall again and again; you're offering my opinion as fact, backed by nothing. While ignoring tens of thousands of mental health care professionals and the most universally respected diagnostic manual on mental health in the country.
Our sources are not equal.
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Says you, citing your personal opinion.
Do you have anything else? Is this really the extent of your argument? One long begging the question fallacy?
If so, that was easy.
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
And Dr. McHugh is contradicted by the authors of the very studies he cited. Shall we discuss McHugh's citation of the 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden?
I've got an interview with the author right here, Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, insisting that her work was grossly misrepresented by people like McHugh.
And since none of McHugh's studies were on transgender people, why would I ignore the author of the very studies that McHugh cites? Researchers that even McHugh recognizes as experts in their field?
Why would you ignore them?
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
With none of those studies about transgender people.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.
Lets see the study. If its Dhejne's work, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
Then why did the author of that study also contradict Dr. McHugh? And find that those children who had the clinical tansgender characteristics as children overwhelmingly didn't lose them over time?
Again, lets see the study. You won't like what the author of that study has to say either.
What are the "clinical characteristics" that you refer to? Do tell!
There is no evidence that you are the opposite gender of that which you were born. None.
Says you, citing your personal opinion.
Do you have anything else? Is this really the extent of your argument? One long begging the question fallacy?
If so, that was easy.
Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
And Dr. McHugh is contradicted by the authors of the very studies he cited. Shall we discuss McHugh's citation of the 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden?
I've got an interview with the author right here, Dr. Cecilia Dhejne, insisting that her work was grossly misrepresented by people like McHugh.
And since none of McHugh's studies were on transgender people, why would I ignore the author of the very studies that McHugh cites? Researchers that even McHugh recognizes as experts in their field?
Why would you ignore them?
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
With none of those studies about transgender people.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.
Lets see the study. If its Dhejne's work, you're in for a bit of a surprise.
Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
Then why did the author of that study also contradict Dr. McHugh? And find that those children who had the clinical tansgender characteristics as children overwhelmingly didn't lose them over time?
Again, lets see the study. You won't like what the author of that study has to say either.
What are the "clinical characteristics" that you refer to? Do tell!
Quote the study and we'll discuss them. Surely you've actually fact checked your claims. Show me the 'Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children' studies. Then we'll check with the authors and see what they have to say.
I noticed how you already backed away from 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden. Good. You can be taught.
You people are psychotics, seriously.
No, we simply don't accept your personal opinion as objective evidence.
Nor would any rational person.
But you accept those who tell you they are really the opposite sex stuck in the opposite sex's body? Oh okay. Makes PERFECT sense . . . for a psycho.
The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh, is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.
This assumption, that one’s gender is only in the mind regardless of anatomical reality, has led some transgendered people to push for social acceptance and affirmation of their own subjective “personal truth,” said Dr. McHugh. As a result, some states – California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts – have passed laws barring psychiatrists, “even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor,” he said.
The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”
Pro-transgender activists. The Obama administration announced in May that Medicare will now cover transgender surgical
procedures. (AP)
“And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.
The former Johns Hopkins chief of psychiatry also warned against enabling or encouraging certain subgroups of the transgendered, such as young people “susceptible to suggestion from ‘everything is normal’ sex education,” and the schools’ “diversity counselors” who, like “cult leaders,” may “encourage these young people to distance themselves from their families and offer advice on rebutting arguments against having transgender surgery.”
Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”
Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”
“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recentcommentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.
Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
