Men in women's bathrooms

[ChrisL]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

 

[Siete]

I played football 7th grade through college .. I've been in more field houses than most of you have iQ points. When we traveled, more often than not, as visitors we used the womens side of the facility ... NEVER have I seen womens showers in a fieldhouse that ween't fully closed, sides and doors... EVER.

just like the stalls with commodes, only bigger.

the end.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

This one blew up in the left's faces. They pushed too far this time

A national discussion that is increasing awareness and education and getting this issue on the forefront is what you call blowing up in their face?? Think again... Despite the opposition, this is a huge leap for the trans rights movement. With every post you are contributing to it.

I oppose it and it's nothing short of insanity, putting the "needs" of a very few above the well being of children is ludicrous

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

No idea, that child isn't my concern, our children are my concern and some confused or perverted boy isn't showering with our daughters. Not happening

 

[Silhouette]

maybe they have open showers in your prison block, but not in schools.

Yes they do. We had them in our school in the girls' locker room.

As they did in every school I was in. And every public or private gym, clubhouse and pool. The shower issue is posing real problems for men pretending to be women wanting behind doors marked "women" with 17 million rape survivors behind them. It's going to be the legal achilles' heel.

Actually they can threaten to withold Title 9 funds. Whether they will or not who knows.

They won't, don't worry. It's an election year. And did you hear a judge just ordered Obama's/Lynch's DOJ to go to basic ethics classes again because they purposefully mislead his court and he found proof that they did?

They are misleading about Title IX too. And the 1964 Civil Rights Act "covering men pretending to be women" too; and using that deception to file a lawsuit against North Carolina. Maybe another judge will strip Ms. Lynch of her bar standing? Then it's off to the unemployment office for her..

 

[ChrisL]

This one blew up in the left's faces. They pushed too far this time

A national discussion that is increasing awareness and education and getting this issue on the forefront is what you call blowing up in their face?? Think again... Despite the opposition, this is a huge leap for the trans rights movement. With every post you are contributing to it.

I oppose it and it's nothing short of insanity, putting the "needs" of a very few above the well being of children is ludicrous

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

 

[Slade3200]

A national discussion that is increasing awareness and education and getting this issue on the forefront is what you call blowing up in their face?? Think again... Despite the opposition, this is a huge leap for the trans rights movement. With every post you are contributing to it.

I oppose it and it's nothing short of insanity, putting the "needs" of a very few above the well being of children is ludicrous

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

Many feel it's perverted and not needed. Obama's directive is not law, it has no legal authority. Only Congress and/or the courts can force it. In short? You lose

What do I lose?

I don't really care what you lose. But I promise you this, no male pretending he is a female or confused about himself is going to shower with our daughters. Bank it

You're the one that made the loser statement... And I agree about guys showering with your girls, I don't think they should.

 

[SmokeALib]

The perfect Obama legacy - bathrooms. Both full of shit.

 

[Silhouette]

No idea, that child isn't my concern, our children are my concern and some confused or perverted boy isn't showering with our daughters. Not happening

Actually that's not true. Did you known you are required by law to report and pursue any evidence of suspected child abuse of not just your but ANY child? Now you know..

 

[ChrisL]

I played football 7th grade through college .. I've been in more field houses than most of you have iQ points. When we traveled, more often than not, as visitors we used the womens side of the facility ... NEVER have I seen womens showers in a fieldhouse that ween't fully closed, sides and doors... EVER.

just like the stalls with commodes, only bigger.

the end.

We had showers with curtains on them, and half the time the curtains were missing. You do NOT know what you are talking about, so cut the crap.

 

[ChrisL]

I played football 7th grade through college .. I've been in more field houses than most of you have iQ points. When we traveled, more often than not, as visitors we used the womens side of the facility ... NEVER have I seen womens showers in a fieldhouse that ween't fully closed, sides and doors... EVER.

just like the stalls with commodes, only bigger.

the end.

And how often were in the women's facilities? Give me a break.

 

[baileyn45]

Almost every school has them. the children you stupid fuck, the children

BULLSHIT

my daughter teaches, aside from alethetic locker rooms in field houses showers do not exist in schools

Have you ever heard of Phys Ed. My daughter is REQUIRED to take it. Don't take it, don't graduate. They are basically threatening my daughter with not receiving a diploma unless she showers with boys. In my home town the school board is elected and after the last public meeting they are running scared. We've already put together an alternate ticket and they will be looking for a job come September.

Is there a transgender child in your kids school?

In my 14 yr old daughters PE class.

Interesting... Have you met the child or the parents?

No I have seen the boy but haven't met any of them. Don't get me wrong I don't mean to vilify. I just can't understand how the same consideration given the young man, to not have to shower with boys, is not given to my daughter and the other girls. I probably could have gone along with public bathrooms, although if I were to watch a grown man follow a young girl into the bathroom I know I will have to follow. I can not stand by and hope for the best even if it's not my child. There isn't much I hold sacred in this world, children are at the top of the list.

 

[Slade3200]

A national discussion that is increasing awareness and education and getting this issue on the forefront is what you call blowing up in their face?? Think again... Despite the opposition, this is a huge leap for the trans rights movement. With every post you are contributing to it.

I oppose it and it's nothing short of insanity, putting the "needs" of a very few above the well being of children is ludicrous

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you people know anything about the man who supposed "pioneered" transgender surgeries and hormone replacement therapies? Alfred Kinsey was his name. He alleged did some pretty macabre experiments . . . on children, some from concentration camps in Germany.

The first "doctor" to perform one of these surgeries was a child molester.

"Sex Change" Surgery: What Bruce Jenner, Diane Sawyer, and You Should Know

 

[ChrisL]

I oppose it and it's nothing short of insanity, putting the "needs" of a very few above the well being of children is ludicrous

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

 

[ChrisL]

Face it, these surgeries and hormonal treatments are macabre experiments being performed on children at the cost of ruining their futures and their lives permanently.

 

[Slade3200]

BULLSHIT

my daughter teaches, aside from alethetic locker rooms in field houses showers do not exist in schools

Have you ever heard of Phys Ed. My daughter is REQUIRED to take it. Don't take it, don't graduate. They are basically threatening my daughter with not receiving a diploma unless she showers with boys. In my home town the school board is elected and after the last public meeting they are running scared. We've already put together an alternate ticket and they will be looking for a job come September.

Is there a transgender child in your kids school?

In my 14 yr old daughters PE class.

Interesting... Have you met the child or the parents?

No I have seen the boy but haven't met any of them. Don't get me wrong I don't mean to vilify. I just can't understand how the same consideration given the young man, to not have to shower with boys, is not given to my daughter and the other girls. I probably could have gone along with public bathrooms, although if I were to watch a grown man follow a young girl into the bathroom I know I will have to follow. I can not stand by and hope for the best even if it's not my child. There isn't much I hold sacred in this world, children are at the top of the list.

Don't you think if you saw that same "man" in a dress and high heels follow your little boy into the restroom, you'd want to follow as well?? Unfortunately in our society, without even the trans argument, it isn't smart to allow young children to go to the bathroom alone or unsupervised.

Regarding the kid in your school... Why don't you try and meet with the parents and meet the child and learn about what the situation is before being so animately opposed to it?

 

[ChrisL]

These people seemed to be getting along fine before all of this surgery and hormonal replacement therapy, considering the suicide rates were not nearly as high before the 1950s. It seems since some of you have jumped in to "help" them, you've made matters MUCH worse for these people. These people will NEVER be the same if they decide to change their minds, or if they find that their gender confusion is due to abuse or something else. They are permanently mutilated.

 

[baileyn45]

I played football 7th grade through college .. I've been in more field houses than most of you have iQ points. When we traveled, more often than not, as visitors we used the womens side of the facility ... NEVER have I seen womens showers in a fieldhouse that ween't fully closed, sides and doors... EVER.

just like the stalls with commodes, only bigger.

the end.

Good for you. I played football 7th thru highschool and wrestled 5th thru college and used the girls facilities as well. I have never seen a stall. Period. My daughters school does not have stalls and none of the locker rooms at the highschool I attended had stalls, all 12 of them, 6 of them girls).

 

[ChrisL]

Dr. Frankenstein?

"Sex Change" Surgery: What Bruce Jenner, Diane Sawyer, and You Should Know

The beginnings of the transgender movement have gotten lost today in the push for transgender rights, acceptance, and tolerance. If more people were aware of the dark and troubled history of sex-reassignment surgery, perhaps we wouldn’t be so quick to push people toward it.

The setting for the first transgender surgeries (mostly male-to-female) was in university-based clinics, starting in the 1950s and progressing through the 1960s and the 1970s. When the researchers tallied the results and found no objective proof that it was successful—and, in fact, evidence that it was harmful—the universities stopped offering sex-reassignment surgery.

Since then, private surgeons have stepped in to take their place. Without any scrutiny or accountability for their results, their practices have grown, leaving shame, regret, and suicide in their wake.

The Founding Fathers of the Transgender Movement

The transgender movement began as the brainchild of three men who shared a common bond: all three were pedophilia activists.

The story starts with the infamous Dr. Alfred Kinsey, a biologist and sexologist whose legacy endures today. Kinsey believed that all sex acts were legitimate—including pedophilia, bestiality, sadomasochism, incest, adultery, prostitution, and group sex. He authorized despicable experiments on infants and toddlers to gather information to justify his view that children of any age enjoyed having sex. Kinsey advocated the normalization of pedophilia and lobbied against laws that would protect innocent children and punish sexual predators.

Transsexualism was added to Kinsey’s repertoire when he was presented with the case of an effeminate boy who wanted to become a girl. Kinsey consulted an acquaintance of his, an endocrinologist by the name of Dr. Harry Benjamin. Transvestites, men who dressed as women, were well-known. Kinsey and Benjamin saw this as an opportunity to change a transvestite physically, way beyond dress and make-up. Kinsey and Benjamin became professional collaborators in the first case of what Benjamin would later call “transsexualism.”

Benjamin asked several psychiatric doctors to evaluate the boy for possible surgical procedures to feminize his appearance. They couldn’t come to a consensus on the appropriateness of feminizing surgery. That didn’t stop Benjamin. On his own, he began offering female hormone therapy to the boy. The boy went to Germany for partial surgery, and Benjamin lost all contact with him, making any long-term follow-up impossible.

The Tragic Story of the Reimer Twins

The third co-founder of today’s transgender movement was psychologist Dr. John Money, a dedicated disciple of Kinsey and a member of a transsexual research team headed by Benjamin.

Money’s first transgender case came in 1967 when he was asked by a Canadian couple, the Reimers, to repair a botched circumcision on their two-year-old son, David. Without any medical justification, Money launched into an experiment to make a name for himself and advance his theories about gender, no matter what the consequences to the child. Money told the distraught parents that the best way to assure David’s happiness was to surgically change his genitalia from male to female and raise him as a girl. As many parents do, the Reimers followed their doctor’s orders, and David was replaced with Brenda. Money assured the parents that Brenda would adapt to being a girl and that she would never know the difference. He told them that they should keep it a secret, so they did—at least for a while.

Activist doctors like Dr. Money always look brilliant at first, especially if they control the information that the media report. Money played a skilled game of “catch me if you can,” reporting the success of the boy’s gender change to the medical and scientific community and building his reputation as a leading expert in the emerging field of gender change. It would be decades before the truth was revealed. In reality, David Reimer’s “adaptation” to being a girl was completely different from the glowing reports concocted by Money for journal articles. By age twelve, David was severely depressed and refused to return to see Money. In desperation, his parents broke their secrecy, and told him the truth of the gender reassignment. At age fourteen, David chose to undo the gender change and live as a boy.

In 2000, at the age of thirty-five, David and his twin brother finally exposed the sexual abuse Dr. Money had inflicted on them in the privacy of his office. The boys told how Dr. Money took naked photos of them when they were just seven years old. But pictures were not enough for Money. The pedophilic doctor also forced the boys to engage in incestuous sexual activities with each other.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

This one blew up in the left's faces. They pushed too far this time

aside from athletic locker rooms, name me one womans restroom that has showers ...

ONE.

There are several. Especially in warehouses. In our office we have one each, men's room and ladies room that have shower.

do LITTLE girls use them?

They have at our office... other than that, I would have no idea.