Men in women's bathrooms

[ChrisL]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

 

[kaz]

I just sent my daughter WHO IN CLASS TEACHING 12TH GRADE HONORS ENGLIT AN EMAIL ..

"WHERE ARE THE SHOWERS IN YOUR GIRLS SENIOR WING RESTROOMS"


reply

what? are you kidding ?

'NO I'M DEAD SERIOUS"

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there aren't any, why?

" JUST CURIOUS, THANKS. I'LL EXPLAIN LATER"

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k... cya

end of convo

Wow, if your daughter doesn't have showers in her restrooms, I guess there really are no girls showers anywhere in any school. Thanks for clearing that up!

Moron

 

[Slade3200]

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

I've never heard of a case where somebody walks into a doctors office and leaves with hormones and an surgical appointment. All the stories that i've heard about involve a long process

What keeps a "gender specialist's" job? Hmm? Why, people who are "transgender" of course!

What keeps a doctors job?? Sick people? Perhaps all doctors are keeping people sick... Curing their ailments just loses them money, right? Is that your point?

 

[ChrisL]

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

So you objecting to having professionals specialize in this field?? And why?

What would give "gender specialists" job security? Lol. It is a bad, bad case of "conflict of interest" and is unethical to say the least.

 

[ChrisL]

So, nobody wants to comment on Kinsey and how these "experiments" got their start? Not surprising.

 

[Slade3200]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

Deal, you do the same...

 

[ChrisL]

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

I've never heard of a case where somebody walks into a doctors office and leaves with hormones and an surgical appointment. All the stories that i've heard about involve a long process

What keeps a "gender specialist's" job? Hmm? Why, people who are "transgender" of course!

What keeps a doctors job?? Sick people? Perhaps all doctors are keeping people sick... Curing their ailments just loses them money, right? Is that your point?

Like I said, I am disgusted with the medical/psychiatric community with regards to this issue. There is BIG money involved with this stuff, you know?

 

[ChrisL]

I guess I can't blame all the doctors and psychiatrists, considering the pressure put on them by the LGBT and the liberal factions in our community who scream "bigot" when a doctor gives his honest opinion about such things. Their jobs and livelihoods are on the line.

 

[ChrisL]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

Deal, you do the same...

Since I am a moderate and a person who does support gay marriage and gay rights, I wouldn't worry about ME. I refuse to accept this "delusion" and the doctors who want to do macabre experiments on children and adults who are suffering from what is obviously a mental delusion.

 

[Slade3200]

Is there a transgender child in your kids school?

In my 14 yr old daughters PE class.

Interesting... Have you met the child or the parents?

No I have seen the boy but haven't met any of them. Don't get me wrong I don't mean to vilify. I just can't understand how the same consideration given the young man, to not have to shower with boys, is not given to my daughter and the other girls. I probably could have gone along with public bathrooms, although if I were to watch a grown man follow a young girl into the bathroom I know I will have to follow. I can not stand by and hope for the best even if it's not my child. There isn't much I hold sacred in this world, children are at the top of the list.

Don't you think if you saw that same "man" in a dress and high heels follow your little boy into the restroom, you'd want to follow as well?? Unfortunately in our society, without even the trans argument, it isn't smart to allow young children to go to the bathroom alone or unsupervised.

Regarding the kid in your school... Why don't you try and meet with the parents and meet the child and learn about what the situation is before being so animately opposed to it?

Keep in mind trans has nothing to do with it. Any man can walk into a womens room, they are not handing out trans cards that say "I'm a man and identify as a woman". I agree with unsupervised children being a bad thing, at the same time I cannot follow my 14 year old everywhere. The idea that any man can walk into a womans room with the full knowledge that anyone that challenges him runs the risk of a hate crime is bothersome to say the least.

As far as talking to the parents or boy involved I don't see the point. There is nothing that is going to sway my view. The fact that one boy feels uncomfortable in the boys room supercedes the 30 girls in my daughters PE class feeling uncomfortable changing or showering with a boy is just wrong. Again I don't wish to demonize the boy, but we're talking to about my daughter, nothing supercedes that. And I can't understand how any one can see this as equality. His concerns are met, 30 girls are ignored..

I completely agree with you which is why, if we are going to make laws about this thing, it should be very clear that men can not go into a lady's room with the claim that they just feel like a woman. I laid out in an earlier post some ideas on how we can do that. We need to define what a transgender is and use the law to help those it's intended for and punish people who abuse it.

If you are that hard headed that you won't engage or explore other points of view then you are a lost cause... If everybody had that point of view the world would be an even uglier place. Without open mindedness and compromise we have little room for progress. It is the spirit of our country. Otherwise lets just get a dictator to tell us all what to do, screw the voice of the people if nobody is ever going to budge.

 

[Slade3200]

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

So you objecting to having professionals specialize in this field?? And why?

What would give "gender specialists" job security? Lol. It is a bad, bad case of "conflict of interest" and is unethical to say the least.

What happens to all the cancer researchers if they find a cure for cancer?? Maybe they are all scamming us too, for job security of course.

 

[ChrisL]

In my 14 yr old daughters PE class.

Interesting... Have you met the child or the parents?

No I have seen the boy but haven't met any of them. Don't get me wrong I don't mean to vilify. I just can't understand how the same consideration given the young man, to not have to shower with boys, is not given to my daughter and the other girls. I probably could have gone along with public bathrooms, although if I were to watch a grown man follow a young girl into the bathroom I know I will have to follow. I can not stand by and hope for the best even if it's not my child. There isn't much I hold sacred in this world, children are at the top of the list.

Don't you think if you saw that same "man" in a dress and high heels follow your little boy into the restroom, you'd want to follow as well?? Unfortunately in our society, without even the trans argument, it isn't smart to allow young children to go to the bathroom alone or unsupervised.

Regarding the kid in your school... Why don't you try and meet with the parents and meet the child and learn about what the situation is before being so animately opposed to it?

Keep in mind trans has nothing to do with it. Any man can walk into a womens room, they are not handing out trans cards that say "I'm a man and identify as a woman". I agree with unsupervised children being a bad thing, at the same time I cannot follow my 14 year old everywhere. The idea that any man can walk into a womans room with the full knowledge that anyone that challenges him runs the risk of a hate crime is bothersome to say the least.

As far as talking to the parents or boy involved I don't see the point. There is nothing that is going to sway my view. The fact that one boy feels uncomfortable in the boys room supercedes the 30 girls in my daughters PE class feeling uncomfortable changing or showering with a boy is just wrong. Again I don't wish to demonize the boy, but we're talking to about my daughter, nothing supercedes that. And I can't understand how any one can see this as equality. His concerns are met, 30 girls are ignored..

I completely agree with you which is why, if we are going to make laws about this thing, it should be very clear that men can not go into a lady's room with the claim that they just feel like a woman. I laid out in an earlier post some ideas on how we can do that. We need to define what a transgender is and use the law to help those it's intended for and punish people who abuse it.

If you are that hard headed that you won't engage or explore other points of view then you are a lost cause... If everybody had that point of view the world would be an even uglier place. Without open mindedness and compromise we have little room for progress. It is the spirit of our country. Otherwise lets just get a dictator to tell us all what to do, screw the voice of the people if nobody is ever going to budge.

If they are postoperative and have a vagina, then they can use the ladies' room. If they have a penis, men's room. That is my opinion. Obviously if they've had surgery, then they are seriously "transgendered" people. There is where the line should be drawn, although I disagree with surgically altering them to begin with.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

So you objecting to having professionals specialize in this field?? And why?

What would give "gender specialists" job security? Lol. It is a bad, bad case of "conflict of interest" and is unethical to say the least.

What happens to all the cancer researchers if they find a cure for cancer?? Maybe they are all scamming us too, for job security of course.

Do you know how much cancer drugs cost? Lol. You should do some research into some of these topics. You would be shocked at what you will find out and just how much greed plays a role.

 

[Slade3200]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

Deal, you do the same...

Since I am a moderate and a person who does support gay marriage and gay rights, I wouldn't worry about ME. I refuse to accept this "delusion" and the doctors who want to do macabre experiments on children and adults who are suffering from what is obviously a mental delusion.

sounds like you got it all figured out... perhaps once i reach your level of enlightenment we will have a better discussion...

 

[ChrisL]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

Deal, you do the same...

Since I am a moderate and a person who does support gay marriage and gay rights, I wouldn't worry about ME. I refuse to accept this "delusion" and the doctors who want to do macabre experiments on children and adults who are suffering from what is obviously a mental delusion.

sounds like you got it all figured out... perhaps once i reach your level of enlightenment we will have a better discussion...

Agreed Sorry, but I do actually have SOME experience in these types of things. You?

 

[Slade3200]

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

So you objecting to having professionals specialize in this field?? And why?

What would give "gender specialists" job security? Lol. It is a bad, bad case of "conflict of interest" and is unethical to say the least.

What happens to all the cancer researchers if they find a cure for cancer?? Maybe they are all scamming us too, for job security of course.

Do you know how much cancer drugs cost? Lol. You should do some research into some of these topics. You would be shocked at what you will find out and just how much greed plays a role.

I actually have and am disgusted with what our pharmaceutical industry is doing... It is so corrupt and money hungry. They literally suppress medical advancements in the name of making more money. It is one of the great shames of our country.

 

[Slade3200]

Try looking at all of this on a deeper level than just your ideology and your brainwashing by the MSM and others, please.

Deal, you do the same...

Since I am a moderate and a person who does support gay marriage and gay rights, I wouldn't worry about ME. I refuse to accept this "delusion" and the doctors who want to do macabre experiments on children and adults who are suffering from what is obviously a mental delusion.

sounds like you got it all figured out... perhaps once i reach your level of enlightenment we will have a better discussion...

Agreed Sorry, but I do actually have SOME experience in these types of things. You?

I have some experience and am still learning on some issues... Always trying to learn and grow as a person... I don't think that ever ends.

 

[baileyn45]

So, nobody wants to comment on Kinsey and how these "experiments" got their start? Not surprising.

I didn't comment but I did take note and will be doing some research for myself, thanks.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The surgeries are maiming them for the rest of their lives. The hormones that they are now giving to children also have terrible side effects and could potentially result in death due to cancer.

I don't know that the “cancer” cry is anything other than gratuitous fearmongering,but there's an obvious truth, that cannot be ignored.

A young boy, being given hormone suppressors to prepare him to “transition” into a female, is not ever going to be a female. All that these will do is prevent normal adolescent development from taking place, and guaranteeing that the child has no hope of developing into any normal sort of adult. If he goes through with the full surgical “transition”, he will still not be a woman. He will still only be a mutilated man, perhaps more convincing as an imitation of a woman than one who didn't begin the transition until after reaching adulthood, but still not a woman.

If he doesn't go through with the transition, he will be left a stunted, deformed man, who never fully developed his manly physical characteristics.

Either way, he'll be left a stunted, handicapped freak, with no hope of a normal and happy adulthood.

This is what those in the LGBpbiWTF branch of the wrong-wing now defend and advocate doing to children. There can remain no doubt that liberalism has abandoned any vestige of reason and decency, and has openly embraced madness and evil.

 

[ChrisL]

I found this to be rather interesting and thought provoking as well.

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In addition, there is a body of evidence, originating with and continuing to this day, from the Dutch team who pioneered pediatric transition, indicating that social transition can be harmful. It can lock a child into a transgender identity and make it more difficult for a child to “desist.” Not only that: Being a social media star and receiving plaudits from parents and other important adults for conforming to gender stereotypes is a powerful incentive and reward. And this particular child has had a law dedicated to him. Can anyone think it would be possible for him to change his mind, after all that?