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So you don't believe that any women rape victims support the transgender cause, because you don't believe huffington post or the women's organization that made a public statement about it... Is that what you're saying?
Exactly my point to silhouette and my reason for posting the link!!! Jesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everythingThe groups stance goes directly to my reasoning for posting the link
The statement addresses transgender rights, not the rights of the 17 million women who are raped and abused. Surely not all 17 million of them advocate for these kinds of policies? That's another thing, just because a statement is made this group does not mean it speaks for all of those women. It doesn't work that way.
Sill has been saying 17 million rape victims are threatened by the trans situation. I've been saying that isn't true and they support both sides of the issue. Try and keep up if your gonna jump into a discussionSo you don't believe that any women rape victims support the transgender cause, because you don't believe huffington post or the women's organization that made a public statement about it... Is that what you're saying?
I'm saying that you made an attempt to spin this into "all women rape victims support trans friendly bathroom policies." You failed. That women's organization doesn't speak for all the 17 million women who are raped or abused.
So, you say all of these women do support these policies then. Is that what you're saying?
Exactly my point to silhouette and my reason for posting the link!!!
Jesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Nope, you completely misunderstood. Don't back track by trying to put words in my mouth. I know exactly what my point has been and I never insinuated that these groups represent all women or all rape victims. I actually make rational argumentsExactly my point to silhouette and my reason for posting the link!!!
No it wasn't. You were insisting that that all 17 million women supported trans friendly policies in some capacity. Don't lie to me. You touted the statement and "249 others" in an attempt to prove the breadth of the support.
If that was really what you said to Silhouette, you lied through your teeth.
Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
You lied. That's a fact I've already proven repeatedly throughout this thread. I've used facts that you repeatedly ignored. You were the one who kept arguing from emotion. You were the one demanding that we "understand transgenders" while insisting upon your supposed objectivity. You were the one who made the claim that society dictated the gender norms and insisted that transgenderism was a form of "self expression" which trumped everything we have ever been taught about human biology, along with everyone elses rights. I crushed each and every one of those arguments. You are far from objective, and are thus a liar. You lied about your objectivity. And it is you, sir/madam, who are finished.Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
These women are telling you to stop, and you don't, like certain men in their lives.Let's ask all of the 17 million women rape survivors, not just ones mesmerized and cherry picked by the Church of LGBT...
"Gender and GeneticsYou lied. That's a fact I've already proven repeatedly throughout this thread. I've used facts that you repeatedly ignored. You were the one who kept arguing from emotion. You were the one demanding that we "understand transgenders" while insisting upon your supposed objectivity. You were the one who made the claim that society dictated the gender norms and insisted that transgenderism was a form of "self expression" which trumped everything we have ever been taught about human biology, along with everyone elses rights. I crushed each and every one of those arguments. You are far from objective, and are thus a liar. You lied about your objectivity. And it is you, sir/madam, who are finished.Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
And? Read the very first sentence of your quote. Game over. These syndromes are infinitesimally rare, and with exception to them, science says that XY Is male, XX is female. As your first link points out, these are abnormalities, and are not prevalent among the human species."Gender and GeneticsYou lied. That's a fact I've already proven repeatedly throughout this thread. I've used facts that you repeatedly ignored. You were the one who kept arguing from emotion. You were the one demanding that we "understand transgenders" while insisting upon your supposed objectivity. You were the one who made the claim that society dictated the gender norms and insisted that transgenderism was a form of "self expression" which trumped everything we have ever been taught about human biology, along with everyone elses rights. I crushed each and every one of those arguments. You are far from objective, and are thus a liar. You lied about your objectivity. And it is you, sir/madam, who are finished.Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
Genetic Components of Sex and Gender
Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.
The biological differences between men and women result from two processes: sex determination and differentiation.(3) The biological process of sex determination controls whether the male or female sexual differentiation pathway will be followed. The process of biological sex differentiation (development of a given sex) involves many genetically regulated, hierarchical developmental steps. More than 95% of the Y chromosome is male-specific (4) and a single copy of the Y chromosome is able to induce testicular differentiation of the embryonic gonad. The Y chromosome acts as a dominant inducer of male phenotype and individuals having four X chromosomes and one Y chromosome (49XXXXY) are phenotypically male. (5) When a Y chromosome is present, early embryonic testes develop around the 10th week of pregnancy. In the absence of both a Y chromosome and the influence of a testis-determining factor (TDF), ovaries develop.
Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time. (6) There are a number of cultures, for example, in which greater gender diversity exists and sex and gender are not always neatly divided along binary lines such as male and female or homosexual and heterosexual. The Berdache in North America, the fa’afafine (Samoan for “the way of a woman”) in the Pacific, and the kathoey in Thailand are all examples of different gender categories that differ from the traditional Western division of people into males and females. Further, among certain North American native communities, gender is seen more in terms of a continuum than categories, with special acknowledgement of “two-spirited” people who encompass both masculine and feminine qualities and characteristics. It is apparent, then, that different cultures have taken different approaches to creating gender distinctions, with more or less recognition of fluidity and complexity of gender."
Sex Chromosome Abnormalities
Turner syndrome
XXX Females
Klinefelter Syndrome
XYY Males
WHO | Gender and Genetics
Read the first paragraph.And? Read the very first sentence of your quote. Game over."Gender and GeneticsYou lied. That's a fact I've already proven repeatedly throughout this thread. I've used facts that you repeatedly ignored. You were the one who kept arguing from emotion. You were the one demanding that we "understand transgenders" while insisting upon your supposed objectivity. You were the one who made the claim that society dictated the gender norms and insisted that transgenderism was a form of "self expression" which trumped everything we have ever been taught about human biology, along with everyone elses rights. I crushed each and every one of those arguments. You are far from objective, and are thus a liar. You lied about your objectivity. And it is you, sir/madam, who are finished.Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
Genetic Components of Sex and Gender
Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.
The biological differences between men and women result from two processes: sex determination and differentiation.(3) The biological process of sex determination controls whether the male or female sexual differentiation pathway will be followed. The process of biological sex differentiation (development of a given sex) involves many genetically regulated, hierarchical developmental steps. More than 95% of the Y chromosome is male-specific (4) and a single copy of the Y chromosome is able to induce testicular differentiation of the embryonic gonad. The Y chromosome acts as a dominant inducer of male phenotype and individuals having four X chromosomes and one Y chromosome (49XXXXY) are phenotypically male. (5) When a Y chromosome is present, early embryonic testes develop around the 10th week of pregnancy. In the absence of both a Y chromosome and the influence of a testis-determining factor (TDF), ovaries develop.
Gender, typically described in terms of masculinity and femininity, is a social construction that varies across different cultures and over time. (6) There are a number of cultures, for example, in which greater gender diversity exists and sex and gender are not always neatly divided along binary lines such as male and female or homosexual and heterosexual. The Berdache in North America, the fa’afafine (Samoan for “the way of a woman”) in the Pacific, and the kathoey in Thailand are all examples of different gender categories that differ from the traditional Western division of people into males and females. Further, among certain North American native communities, gender is seen more in terms of a continuum than categories, with special acknowledgement of “two-spirited” people who encompass both masculine and feminine qualities and characteristics. It is apparent, then, that different cultures have taken different approaches to creating gender distinctions, with more or less recognition of fluidity and complexity of gender."
Sex Chromosome Abnormalities
Turner syndrome
XXX Females
Klinefelter Syndrome
XYY Males
WHO | Gender and Genetics
That is not an argument, that is S C I E N C E, the truth, reality, which you reject, you moron.There is no such things as male DNA. There is XY, normally male, but not always. And XX, normally female, but not always.You're way off base if you think this is a 99.9 to .1 argument. There's a set of principles at he center of the debateThey can go fuck themselves.
Funny how you want to ignore 99.9% and focus on the .1%.
The principle is if you're born with male plumbing/DNA go to the men's restroom. Same for female plumbing/DNA. It's really THAT simple. Only freaks and their supporters are so stupid they don't get it.
Not that tired argument, either, freak.
A grand total of 0.3% of the US population is transgendered, 700,000 people give or take.
One in a thousand male babies are born with Kleinfelter's syndrome.
Meaning with a population of 330 million, only 330 men have this abnormality
One in five thousand female babies are born with Turner's.
That leaves at least 164 females in America with this abnormality.
Out of 330 million people, these make up 0.00015%, smaller by far than the transgender population.
This means that for the other 99.99985% of Americans, they are defined by one of two genders.
Did it also ever occur to you that these genetic abnormalities never affected the gender of those afflicted?
This is an outlier, it does not add extra genders. There are two and only two. Get that through your thick skull.
You lose.
It's such a weak argument, it doesn't count as one. I reject you trying to use such rare exceptions as if they are widespread.
Yeah keep telling yourself that buddy... And you call the transgenders delusional. Look in the mirrorYou lied. That's a fact I've already proven repeatedly throughout this thread. I've used facts that you repeatedly ignored. You were the one who kept arguing from emotion. You were the one demanding that we "understand transgenders" while insisting upon your supposed objectivity. You were the one who made the claim that society dictated the gender norms and insisted that transgenderism was a form of "self expression" which trumped everything we have ever been taught about human biology, along with everyone elses rights. I crushed each and every one of those arguments. You are far from objective, and are thus a liar. You lied about your objectivity. And it is you, sir/madam, who are finished.Ok smart ass then how about you show a quote where I lied or stated that these groups represent all women. Try using facts instead of calling names. You're doneJesus, it's like pulling teeth to make a simple point. You just need to pointlessly argue with everything
Sure, because you're an incessant liar. So I made it a point to call you out on it.
