Michigan Rejects 846 Mailed Ballots 'Because the Voter Was Dead'

[Orangecat]

Which is my point For 200 year a voter didn't need a specific government ID in order to vote. After having established their eligibility with a birth certificate or license based upon it, all they needed was any reasonable ID, and their signature. So as you said, why change a system that has worked for 200 years.

If they have a birth certificate and/or a valid ID to establish eligibility, they can also use that when they're actually voting. Problem solved.
Unless you're quibbling on the tiny percentage of incompetents who have lost their ID and are too lazy to get a replacement. You need an ID to negotiate society in any meaningful capacity.
If you're a citizen, you have the right to vote. Just prove your citizenship when you actually vote.
That the left has such a problem with accountability is quite telling to the perceptive.

 

[meaner gene]

If they have a birth certificate and/or a valid ID to establish eligibility, they can also use that when they're actually voting. Problem solved.

That's what I would say, but the new voter ID laws changed that. It made their previous ID invalid. Previous things like baptismal certificates, or even family birth records, which were previously accepted can no longer be used. Requiring people to get all news supporting documents. Often at a substantial costs to people of low and fixed income.

 

[meaner gene]

Unless you're quibbling on the tiny percentage of incompetents who have lost their ID and are too lazy to get a replacement. You need an ID to negotiate society in any meaningful capacity.

One example is a drivers license. Many seniors for a number of reasons no longer drive. Hence no longer need a drivers license. Previously they could continue to use their expired license as proof. The new law means they can no longer use an expired license.

Forcing them to get a new ID.

 

[Orangecat]

Getting a valid ID isn't too much to ask of old people. Or anyone else, for that matter.

 

[rightwinger]

Banks keep a “signature card” on file at the bank branch where you opened your account. This is so they can compare your signature on file with any check presented to them, with which they may have authenticity questions. This is to prevent fraud.

Where is the signature card when every voter is mailed a ballot?

It's on your voter registration card. Idiot.

You have to have already been registered to apply for an absentee ballot.

For mail-in voting you don't have to apply for anything, moron.

You have registered as a legal voter. Thats all it takes

 

[rightwinger]

Getting a valid ID isn't too much to ask of old people. Or anyone else, for that matter.

That is the key to voter suppression
Make it increasingly harder to obtain a “valid” ID that will satisfy conservatives. Even a Drivers License requires multiple forms of ID to obtain. Birth Certificate, Passport, Bank Statement. And they had better match perfectly.

Many red states will allow a hunting license as valid ID but not a student ID card. Shows who they want to vote.

 

[harmonica]

hahahahh NO SHIT!!
and the illegals get all of that

I think they're getting illegal documents in order to WORK, not in order to vote. Since documents like a SSN are primary information needed to get employment, as opposed secondary information in order to vote.

....you are very NAIVE!!!!.......do you not get out???!!!...they use SSNs to STEAL/crimes/etc...are you living on the moon?

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Undocumented workers have a friend at the IRS. Is the IRS chief suggesting that purloined Social Security Numbers are OK, as long as the bad use is for a good reason?

www.forbes.com

119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

Jackson, Miss. – U.S. Attorney Mike Hurst announced today that 119 illegal aliens have been prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office since the execution of multiple federal criminal and administrative search warrants at seven sites across the State of Mississippi on August 7, 2019.

www.justice.gov

etc many links

Yes we need a computer chip social security card to end illegal immigration duh. There is no evidence of illegals voting. It's not worth the risk obviously. Another ridiculous phony scandal.

....hhhahahahahahah.....so they steal IDs and SSNs, but they will follow the rules on voting!!!!!?????? = IDIOCY

 

[harmonica]

I think they're getting illegal documents in order to WORK, not in order to vote. Since documents like a SSN are primary information needed to get employment, as opposed secondary information in order to vote.

....you are very NAIVE!!!!.......do you not get out???!!!...they use SSNs to STEAL/crimes/etc...are you living on the moon?

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Undocumented workers have a friend at the IRS. Is the IRS chief suggesting that purloined Social Security Numbers are OK, as long as the bad use is for a good reason?

www.forbes.com

119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

Jackson, Miss. – U.S. Attorney Mike Hurst announced today that 119 illegal aliens have been prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office since the execution of multiple federal criminal and administrative search warrants at seven sites across the State of Mississippi on August 7, 2019.

www.justice.gov

etc many links

Yet none of them show they're getting illegal SSN (and other documents) because they're trying to register to vote.

wrong -
1.-you made the WRONG point you don't need SSNs to vote
2. so they steal IDs and SSNs, but they will follow rules on voting????!!!!
hsahashahahhahah =IDIOCY

 

[rightwinger]

hahahahh NO SHIT!!
and the illegals get all of that

I think they're getting illegal documents in order to WORK, not in order to vote. Since documents like a SSN are primary information needed to get employment, as opposed secondary information in order to vote.

....you are very NAIVE!!!!.......do you not get out???!!!...they use SSNs to STEAL/crimes/etc...are you living on the moon?

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Undocumented workers have a friend at the IRS. Is the IRS chief suggesting that purloined Social Security Numbers are OK, as long as the bad use is for a good reason?

www.forbes.com

119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

Jackson, Miss. – U.S. Attorney Mike Hurst announced today that 119 illegal aliens have been prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office since the execution of multiple federal criminal and administrative search warrants at seven sites across the State of Mississippi on August 7, 2019.

www.justice.gov

etc many links

Yes we need a computer chip social security card to end illegal immigration duh. There is no evidence of illegals voting. It's not worth the risk obviously. Another ridiculous phony scandal.

....hhhahahahahahah.....so they steal IDs and SSNs, but they will follow the rules on voting!!!!!?????? = IDIOCY

You guys keep saying that but you have NO PROOF of illegals voting. Your whole case is woulda, coulda, maybe

It is easy enough to prove. Just go through voter rolls of people who had actually voted in the last election and verify their legal status.

Trump tried and found nothing.

 

[harmonica]

hahahahh NO SHIT!!
and the illegals get all of that

I think they're getting illegal documents in order to WORK, not in order to vote. Since documents like a SSN are primary information needed to get employment, as opposed secondary information in order to vote.

....you are very NAIVE!!!!.......do you not get out???!!!...they use SSNs to STEAL/crimes/etc...are you living on the moon?

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Undocumented workers have a friend at the IRS. Is the IRS chief suggesting that purloined Social Security Numbers are OK, as long as the bad use is for a good reason?

www.forbes.com

119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

Jackson, Miss. – U.S. Attorney Mike Hurst announced today that 119 illegal aliens have been prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office since the execution of multiple federal criminal and administrative search warrants at seven sites across the State of Mississippi on August 7, 2019.

www.justice.gov

etc many links

Yes we need a computer chip social security card to end illegal immigration duh. There is no evidence of illegals voting. It's not worth the risk obviously. Another ridiculous phony scandal.

....hhhahahahahahah.....so they steal IDs and SSNs, but they will follow the rules on voting!!!!!?????? = IDIOCY

You guys keep saying that but you have NO PROOF of illegals voting. Your whole case is woulda, coulda, maybe

It is easy enough to prove. Just go through voter rolls of people who had actually voted in the last election and verify their legal status.

Trump tried and found nothing.

hahhahahaahahahahhhh
you can't find them because they steal IDs and SSNs= DUH!!

 

[bripat9643]

Banks keep a “signature card” on file at the bank branch where you opened your account. This is so they can compare your signature on file with any check presented to them, with which they may have authenticity questions. This is to prevent fraud.

Where is the signature card when every voter is mailed a ballot?

It's on your voter registration card. Idiot.

You have to have already been registered to apply for an absentee ballot.

For mail-in voting you don't have to apply for anything, moron.

You have registered as a legal voter. Thats all it takes

Dead people can be legal registered voters, and so can people who moved to another state.

 

[rightwinger]

hahahahh NO SHIT!!
and the illegals get all of that

I think they're getting illegal documents in order to WORK, not in order to vote. Since documents like a SSN are primary information needed to get employment, as opposed secondary information in order to vote.

....you are very NAIVE!!!!.......do you not get out???!!!...they use SSNs to STEAL/crimes/etc...are you living on the moon?

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Undocumented workers have a friend at the IRS. Is the IRS chief suggesting that purloined Social Security Numbers are OK, as long as the bad use is for a good reason?

www.forbes.com

119 Illegal Aliens Prosecuted For Stealing Identities of Americans, Falsifying Immigration Documents, Fraudulently Claiming to be U.S. Citizens, Other Crimes

Jackson, Miss. – U.S. Attorney Mike Hurst announced today that 119 illegal aliens have been prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office since the execution of multiple federal criminal and administrative search warrants at seven sites across the State of Mississippi on August 7, 2019.

www.justice.gov

etc many links

Yes we need a computer chip social security card to end illegal immigration duh. There is no evidence of illegals voting. It's not worth the risk obviously. Another ridiculous phony scandal.

....hhhahahahahahah.....so they steal IDs and SSNs, but they will follow the rules on voting!!!!!?????? = IDIOCY

You guys keep saying that but you have NO PROOF of illegals voting. Your whole case is woulda, coulda, maybe

It is easy enough to prove. Just go through voter rolls of people who had actually voted in the last election and verify their legal status.

Trump tried and found nothing.

hahhahahaahahahahhhh
you can't find them because they steal IDs and SSNs= DUH!!

Very interesting

But what happens to the real voter with that ID and SSN?
If your theory were correct, these people would be showing up to vote and finding someone voted in their names.
If it happens as often as you say, there would be millions of legitimate voters finding their identity had been stolen. There aren’t

 

[rightwinger]

Banks keep a “signature card” on file at the bank branch where you opened your account. This is so they can compare your signature on file with any check presented to them, with which they may have authenticity questions. This is to prevent fraud.

Where is the signature card when every voter is mailed a ballot?

It's on your voter registration card. Idiot.

You have to have already been registered to apply for an absentee ballot.

For mail-in voting you don't have to apply for anything, moron.

You have registered as a legal voter. Thats all it takes

Dead people can be legal registered voters, and so can people who moved to another state.

Happens with in person balloting also. What happens is that vote does not get cast. If someone tries to vote in their place, the signature doesn’t match

 

[Carl in Michigan]

How do you figure? Ballots are only mailed to people on the registered voter list. The same list used to determine eligibility to vote at the polls.

..illegals get fake SSNs/etc -_DUH!!!

iilegals get fake ids - Google Search

A fake SSN doesn't allow somebody to vote. Look on the card, it says "not for identification purposes"

And yet they require it as one piece of for identification every time you take a new job

 

[bripat9643]

Banks keep a “signature card” on file at the bank branch where you opened your account. This is so they can compare your signature on file with any check presented to them, with which they may have authenticity questions. This is to prevent fraud.

Where is the signature card when every voter is mailed a ballot?

It's on your voter registration card. Idiot.

You have to have already been registered to apply for an absentee ballot.

For mail-in voting you don't have to apply for anything, moron.

You have registered as a legal voter. Thats all it takes

Dead people can be legal registered voters, and so can people who moved to another state.

Happens with in person balloting also. What happens is that vote does not get cast. If someone tries to vote in their place, the signature doesn’t match

The difference is someone has to show up to vote. With mail-in voting, no one has to show up, just mail in the vote.

 

[Orangecat]

That is the key to voter suppression

Incorrect. It's the key to assuring those legally eligible to vote are the ones actually casting the ballots.

Make it increasingly harder to obtain a “valid” ID that will satisfy conservatives.

That's BS. Getting an ID is not a difficult task for a competent adult.

Even a Drivers License requires multiple forms of ID to obtain. Birth Certificate, Passport, Bank Statement. And they had better match perfectly.

Oh, the horror! A few documents to prove you are who you say you are. You must think very lowly of the democrat voters to assume they are so incompetent.

Many red states will allow a hunting license as valid ID but not a student ID card. Shows who they want to vote.

If true, that would only signify that a getting hunting license is a much more vetted ID process than getting a student ID.
Regardless, you're doing the same disingenuous thing the left always does: acting as if small bits of anecdotal evidence is somehow a monolithic issue. It's not. There is no rash of hunters defrauding the system while poor students are denied their right to vote. That's the way children think.

 

[rightwinger]

Banks keep a “signature card” on file at the bank branch where you opened your account. This is so they can compare your signature on file with any check presented to them, with which they may have authenticity questions. This is to prevent fraud.

Where is the signature card when every voter is mailed a ballot?

It's on your voter registration card. Idiot.

You have to have already been registered to apply for an absentee ballot.

For mail-in voting you don't have to apply for anything, moron.

You have registered as a legal voter. Thats all it takes

Dead people can be legal registered voters, and so can people who moved to another state.

Happens with in person balloting also. What happens is that vote does not get cast. If someone tries to vote in their place, the signature doesn’t match

The difference is someone has to show up to vote. With mail-in voting, no one has to show up, just mail in the vote.

You provide a signature when you show up to vote and when you mail one in. Both get checked.

 

[Orangecat]

If your theory were correct, these people would be showing up to vote and finding someone voted in their names.

If no one is checking IDs, how would anyone know?

 

[rightwinger]

That is the key to voter suppression

Incorrect. It's the key to assuring those legally eligible to vote are the ones actually casting the ballots.

Make it increasingly harder to obtain a “valid” ID that will satisfy conservatives.

That's BS. Getting an ID is not a difficult task for a competent adult.

Even a Drivers License requires multiple forms of ID to obtain. Birth Certificate, Passport, Bank Statement. And they had better match perfectly.

Oh, the horror! A few documents to prove you are who you say you are. You must think very lowly of the democrat voters to assume they are so incompetent.

Many red states will allow a hunting license as valid ID but not a student ID card. Shows who they want to vote.

If true, that would only signify that a getting hunting license is a much more vetted ID process than getting a student ID.
Regardless, you're doing the same disingenuous thing the left always does: acting as if small bits of anecdotal evidence is somehow a monolithic issue. It's not. There is no rash of hunters defrauding the system while poor students are denied their right to vote. That's the way children think.

Yet there are those people who have errors in their official documentation. Different spelling on a birth certificate, marriage name change that wasn’t recorded correctly, adoption, lost records.

Gotcha way to suppress the vote

 

[rightwinger]

Regardless, you're doing the same disingenuous thing the left always does: acting as if small bits of anecdotal evidence is somehow a monolithic issu

Do you mean like imaginary illegal voting that is not supported by the record?