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No drugs or drug-dealers were found by those raiders. All they managed to do was maim an infant. And this was by no means the only botched SWAT raid. They happen on an almost daily basis.
I object to drug dealers putting their babies in harms way.
Am I the only one who thinks that the police don't need Mine resistant ambush protected vehicles (MRAPS), military grade weapons and hollowpoint ammunition (1.6 billion rounds)? As far as I know, the violent crime rates declining. So why do we need this? I don't want to raise my children in a police state. What about you?
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Pinky
That was before Obama opened up the border so the ME terrorists could begin pouring in. Did you think it was an accident he armed ISIS so well then opened up our border?
No, not really. You have fallen prey to Teaper hyperbole. But if you would like, we can discuss each one of those reasons.
When was the last time you made a post or worded a sentence that didn't have the term "teaper" in it, nutz?
What do you want from a POS libtard who subsists on welfare handouts?
For example?It is a simple question.
Why do you object to police being protected in the line of fire?
When was the last time you made a post or worded a sentence that didn't have the term "teaper" in it, nutz?
What do you want from a POS libtard who subsists on welfare handouts?
Another Teaper lie. I have never been on welfare. What about you?
What do you want from a POS libtard who subsists on welfare handouts?
Another Teaper lie. I have never been on welfare. What about you?
See here you go again lies on top of lies. I've never been a member of the tea party, never voted for a member of the tea party, and have never been on welfare. Yet here you are generalizing anyone that is in disagreement with militarization of our domestic agencies and local police forces as a Teaper.
Total BS rhetoric on your part, to encourage rage and Troll the board.
I object to drug dealers putting their babies in harms way.
No drugs or drug-dealers were found by those raiders. All they managed to do was maim an infant. And this was by no means the only botched SWAT raid. They happen on an almost daily basis.
Cato Map on SWAT Raids
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids | Cato Institute
No, it is just a ridiculous argument.
Any arrest poses a danger...especially in high crime areas. Anything could happen at anytime. There is nothing the matter with safety.
Would you guys have a problem if a regular citizen purchased one of these?
Why is it okay for a teaper to buy body armor, automatic weapons, grenades, rocket launchers and whatever else...but it is an affront to freedom if a police force purchases the same?
Any arrest? What? You going to use em as patrol cars?
Rocket launchers? Grenades? Now you're just being an idiot.
Well actually you're just continuing to be one.....
But you believe citizens should have the right to own such weaponry, right? Simple question...why can citizens purchase weapons but police forces not? Where do you draw the line.
Again, simple question. You are the one who says he is all about honest discussion...I have given you that opportunity all day, and you have yet to impress me.
Actually it has a lot to do with it. The expanding implementation of SWAT activity, which is fundamentally militaristic, is what brought about this flash/bang misuse. And there are many more examples of abusive SWAT activity. These MRAP vehicles are another step in the direction of hyper-militarization of America's civilian police.So basically you're saying that they're scary, and that's why they're bad.
SWAT teams throwing flash bangs at babies has nothing at all to do with MRAPs.
Actually it has a lot to do with it. The expanding implementation of SWAT activity, which is fundamentally militaristic, is what brought about this flash/bang misuse. And there are many more examples of abusive SWAT activity. These MRAP vehicles are another step in the direction of hyper-militarization of America's civilian police.So basically you're saying that they're scary, and that's why they're bad.
SWAT teams throwing flash bangs at babies has nothing at all to do with MRAPs.
What's next? Armed drones? A-10 gunships? Why not? Right?
Per usual, the statist pigs are pretending we're having a different conversation.
Carry on, statist pigs.
I'm discussing the OP - which is about local police buying MRAPs.
I don't know what the fuck you think this conversation is about.
Okay, I made an unfair assumption! I personally think the avg Joe should be able to purchase such weapons, but also be subject to EXTREME scrutiny.Any arrest? What? You going to use em as patrol cars?
Rocket launchers? Grenades? Now you're just being an idiot.
Well actually you're just continuing to be one.....
But you believe citizens should have the right to own such weaponry, right? Simple question...why can citizens purchase weapons but police forces not? Where do you draw the line.
Again, simple question. You are the one who says he is all about honest discussion...I have given you that opportunity all day, and you have yet to impress me.
Hell no I dont think the average joe should be able to buy grenades or rocket launchers.
I dont really have a problem with the average joe buying an MRAP but then he doesnt have a police force backing him up either.
Now if a militia group bought one I'd expect they'd come under some pretty heavy scrutiny and rightfully so.
I agree! It isn't just Obama...it is a legislative and executive branch pattern that can be construed as abridging our rights. I can live with that. My argument is that blaming Obama for everything is nonsense...especially since Bush started this trend.You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. It's not just the MRPS it's a pattern of behavior since 9/11 from both sides.
I mean come on!! We have Republicans and Democrats furthering the implementation of PA and the power of the DHS. If that doesnt make you nervous you're crazy.
I'm 21 but I'm smart enough to realize that the militarization of police, attack on gun owners, lower crime rates, the Arms trade treaty act w/the UN, the NDAA, the patriot act, and veterans being labeled as terrorists all with a decade is not a coincidence. You'd have to be blind not to see this country becoming a police state.
Pinky
Per usual, the statist pigs are pretending we're having a different conversation.
Carry on, statist pigs.
I'm discussing the OP - which is about local police buying MRAPs.
I don't know what the fuck you think this conversation is about.
If your concern for officer safety extends to the level of endlessly expanding militarization I suggest a better approach to officer safety is to get a different kind of job. Because between SWAT rigs and MRAPs we don't need police anymore. Just put the Army in the streets.In a situation where a suspect is barricaded and firing at police, a normal police car is unable to get close without jeopardizing the officers. An armored vehicle can drive right up to the front door and offer cover for officers
Again I will ask. How often is that ability needed?
Once is enough if it saves an officers life
Per usual, the statist pigs are pretending we're having a different conversation.
Carry on, statist pigs.
I'm discussing the OP - which is about local police buying MRAPs.
I don't know what the fuck you think this conversation is about.
You might want to go read the title of the thread again. Unless it's been edited it clearly states.
Militarization of Police-DHS.
Okay, I made an unfair assumption! I personally think the avg Joe should be able to purchase such weapons, but also be subject to EXTREME scrutiny.But you believe citizens should have the right to own such weaponry, right? Simple question...why can citizens purchase weapons but police forces not? Where do you draw the line.
Again, simple question. You are the one who says he is all about honest discussion...I have given you that opportunity all day, and you have yet to impress me.
Hell no I dont think the average joe should be able to buy grenades or rocket launchers.
I dont really have a problem with the average joe buying an MRAP but then he doesnt have a police force backing him up either.
Now if a militia group bought one I'd expect they'd come under some pretty heavy scrutiny and rightfully so.
I agree! It isn't just Obama...it is a legislative and executive branch pattern that can be construed as abridging our rights. I can live with that. My argument is that blaming Obama for everything is nonsense...especially sense Bush started this trend.You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. It's not just the MRPS it's a pattern of behavior since 9/11 from both sides.
I mean come on!! We have Republicans and Democrats furthering the implementation of PA and the power of the DHS. If that doesnt make you nervous you're crazy.
Okay, I made an unfair assumption! I personally think the avg Joe should be able to purchase such weapons, but also be subject to EXTREME scrutiny.Hell no I dont think the average joe should be able to buy grenades or rocket launchers.
I dont really have a problem with the average joe buying an MRAP but then he doesnt have a police force backing him up either.
Now if a militia group bought one I'd expect they'd come under some pretty heavy scrutiny and rightfully so.
I agree! It isn't just Obama...it is a legislative and executive branch pattern that can be construed as abridging our rights. I can live with that. My argument is that blaming Obama for everything is nonsense...especially sense Bush started this trend.You keep ignoring the elephant in the room. It's not just the MRPS it's a pattern of behavior since 9/11 from both sides.
I mean come on!! We have Republicans and Democrats furthering the implementation of PA and the power of the DHS. If that doesnt make you nervous you're crazy.
I've blamed both sides all along and it's getting worse with every new administration.
Obama has most definitely raised the bar at this point,but I see it as the furthering of the total agenda and expect it to continue no matter who's in office.
This shouldnt even be a partisan issue.
If your concern for officer safety extends to the level of endlessly expanding militarization I suggest a better approach to officer safety is to get a different kind of job. Because between SWAT rigs and MRAPs we don't need police anymore. Just put the Army in the streets.Again I will ask. How often is that ability needed?
Once is enough if it saves an officers life
