Minimum Wage Outrage

[Luddly Neddite]

My kid got his first job at Blockbuster Video when he was 15. Three 4 hour days a week.

Used to be, families could live on one wage. Women stayed home and teens got jobs at McDonald's or K-Mart.

Now its single mom's, supporting their families on WalMart shit pay.

From the very start of minimum wage, the conservatives have whined about how it would break the employers. It didn't, it hasn't, it won't.

Companies can pay a livable wage or the tax payer can make it up with food stamps - which the right wants to take away.

See the trend?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It is amazing how many people do not know this.
As a general rule, generally speaking - Full-time total compensation is between 30-40% above their wage...so if you make $16 an hour - your real cost to the employer is roughly $21.50 an hour. For a Part-time employee the cost is between 10-15% above the wage. So $7.25 is more like $8.10 an hour.
So to increase minimum wage to $12 an hour would make that $13.60 an hour. HUGE increase in labor cost. Huge.

Yeah, so fuck 'em if they can't pay their rent when we pay the stupid lazy butts $7.25 an hour. Let 'em do what Walmart employees do...go on federal assistance.

You've got two choices: Force the EMPLOYER to bear the cost of THEIR employees or pass it on to YOU, the TAXPAYER.

Something's gotta' give and I'd rather leave it to the individual business and their ability to acquire and obtain and retain quality help than pass their problems on to me.

If you literally can't afford an extra couple of bucks over the hourly wage, then you shouldn't be in business.

Then go find a second job and quit the BS.

That's what John McCain said too.

He didn't care about women living in cars with their kids either while their deadbeat dads were out making more babies that they probably support either.

This unwillingness to pay a livable wage hurts our entire country.

 

[OnePercenter]

Average Monthly Disposable Salary (After Tax) US 3,218.50 $ AU 3,723.40 $ +15.69 %

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yeah, Australia tried that....

Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in Australia are 45.38% higher than in United States
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Australia are 50.71% higher than in United States
Rent Prices in Australia are 62.85% higher than in United States
Restaurant Prices in Australia are 44.14% higher than in United States
Groceries Prices in Australia are 33.50% higher than in United States
Local Purchasing Power in Australia is 23.48% lower than in United States

Cost Of Living Comparison Between United States And Australia

And minimum wage is 120% higher than the US.

As with so many things, the US is way behind the rest of the world.

What the right wants is for us to be China.

 

[Pop23]

Yeah, so fuck 'em if they can't pay their rent when we pay the stupid lazy butts $7.25 an hour. Let 'em do what Walmart employees do...go on federal assistance.

You've got two choices: Force the EMPLOYER to bear the cost of THEIR employees or pass it on to YOU, the TAXPAYER.

Something's gotta' give and I'd rather leave it to the individual business and their ability to acquire and obtain and retain quality help than pass their problems on to me.

If you literally can't afford an extra couple of bucks over the hourly wage, then you shouldn't be in business.

Then go find a second job and quit the BS.

That's what John McCain said too.

He didn't care about women living in cars with their kids either while their deadbeat dads were out making more babies that they probably support either.

This unwillingness to pay a livable wage hurts our entire country.

Walmart caused unwed mothers?

Link?

 

[OnePercenter]

The Federal Minimum Wage itself is clearly unconstitutional, and is amazingly stupid to boot.

The United States of America is the largest municipal corporation in the world. Using a business plan that's 200+ years old is stupid.

 

[OnePercenter]

Calling people stupid does not a point make.

You are right.. but that doesn't negate the points being made and one other point added to the above OP...

NO one ever correctly states the true cost of minimum wage.
They use "$7.25" current minimum or as pointed out $12.00" proposed minimum wage.

But they ignore the ADDED costs to the employer BESIDES the increase to $12.00!

1)The 6.2% social security is also paid by the employer which adds another $1,574 a year paid by employer!
2)The 1.45% Medicare tax paid by the employer or another $350 paid by employer!
3)Then there is the FUTA and workman's comp costs based on wages paid...

So when people talk about raising minimum wage for 40 hour 52 week employee Nearly $1,900 TOTALLY ADDED cost per employee!

All if which is deductible (100%) for the employer. So what's the NET cost?

 

[OnePercenter]

Calling people stupid does not a point make.

You are right.. but that doesn't negate the points being made and one other point added to the above OP...

NO one ever correctly states the true cost of minimum wage.
They use "$7.25" current minimum or as pointed out $12.00" proposed minimum wage.

But they ignore the ADDED costs to the employer BESIDES the increase to $12.00!

1)The 6.2% social security is also paid by the employer which adds another $1,574 a year paid by employer!
2)The 1.45% Medicare tax paid by the employer or another $350 paid by employer!
3)Then there is the FUTA and workman's comp costs based on wages paid...

So when people talk about raising minimum wage for 40 hour 52 week employee Nearly $1,900 TOTALLY ADDED cost per employee!

It is amazing how many people do not know this.
As a general rule, generally speaking - Full-time total compensation is between 30-40% above their wage...so if you make $16 an hour - your real cost to the employer is roughly $21.50 an hour. For a Part-time employee the cost is between 10-15% above the wage. So $7.25 is more like $8.10 an hour.
So to increase minimum wage to $12 an hour would make that $13.60 an hour. HUGE increase in labor cost. Huge.

All of which is 100% deductible for the employer. Whats the NET cost?

 

[Amelia]

My kid got his first job at Blockbuster Video when he was 15. Three 4 hour days a week.

Used to be, families could live on one wage. Women stayed home and teens got jobs at McDonald's or K-Mart.

Now its single mom's, supporting their families on WalMart shit pay.

From the very start of minimum wage, the conservatives have whined about how it would break the employers. It didn't, it hasn't, it won't.

Companies can pay a livable wage or the tax payer can make it up with food stamps - which the right wants to take away.

See the trend?

Yes, we see the trend. We see how damaging to children's prospects single parenthood can be.

 

[ClosedCaption]

What a great idea....
Force small business to pay for health care for employees.
Force small business to pay higher wages.
Force small business....

Out of business.

What the Hell!.... Democrats feel they didn't build that business anyway!

You never mention people. All your concern goes toward business.

 

[Pop23]

My kid got his first job at Blockbuster Video when he was 15. Three 4 hour days a week.

Used to be, families could live on one wage. Women stayed home and teens got jobs at McDonald's or K-Mart.

Now its single mom's, supporting their families on WalMart shit pay.

From the very start of minimum wage, the conservatives have whined about how it would break the employers. It didn't, it hasn't, it won't.

Companies can pay a livable wage or the tax payer can make it up with food stamps - which the right wants to take away.

See the trend?

Yes, we see the trend. We see how damaging to children's prospects single parenthood can be.

Seems to me it was Moonbats that promoted the idea that Women didn't need Men to raise a child?

Luddy, go burn your bra.

 

[OnePercenter]

Another glaringly obvious effect that is often overlooked:

Suppose the $7.25 an hour worker happily discovers that his paycheck (thanks to an act of Congress) has suddenly increased to $15 an hour. Suppose his job cannot be replaced by a machine and his employer is not inclined to cut the workforce. All is well in paradise right?

One small problem. Why should I employ someone with the skill set comparable to a wage of $7.25 an hour in a position that pays nearly double that? There are plenty of more qualified candidates waiting in the wings who will give me a better return, rest assured they will replace my staff in short order.

The result will be much the same as what currently transpires, those with the least skills remain mired in chronic unemployment as the ladder of opportunity previously afforded to them has been taken away by the minimum wage.

The obvious question: Why aren't the 'more qualified candidates' working for you now?

 

[OnePercenter]

What a great idea....
Force small business to pay for health care for employees.
Force small business to pay higher wages.
Force small business....

Out of business.

What the Hell!.... Democrats feel they didn't build that business anyway!

There aren't any small businesses that have failed because they paid their employees higher wages and given them benefits.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Used to be, families could live on one wage. Women stayed home and teens got jobs at McDonald's or K-Mart.

Now its single mom's, supporting their families on WalMart shit pay.

From the very start of minimum wage, the conservatives have whined about how it would break the employers. It didn't, it hasn't, it won't.

Companies can pay a livable wage or the tax payer can make it up with food stamps - which the right wants to take away.

See the trend?

Yes, we see the trend. We see how damaging to children's prospects single parenthood can be.

Seems to me it was Moonbats that promoted the idea that Women didn't need Men to raise a child?

Luddy, go burn your bra.

No one but women said that and thats because women will say things that reflect their current reality. If they dont have a man and have children then they "dont need a man" to raise them. If they have a man they "See the important role men play in raising children" but they wont say they "need a man" since feminism.

Theres a saying "A woman will have a million reasons why she wont sleep with you and if she does she will have a million reasons why she did"

 

[william the wie]

If you discount the numbers for post-secondary education women with degrees and student loans rank right up there with crack whores on desirable wife scales and that has been true since the late 1970s. As to minimum wage, it amazes me how many people with advanced degrees work at restaurants where the normal bill is $50 and up.

 

[Pop23]

What a great idea....
Force small business to pay for health care for employees.
Force small business to pay higher wages.
Force small business....

Out of business.

What the Hell!.... Democrats feel they didn't build that business anyway!

There aren't any small businesses that have failed because they paid their employees higher wages and given them benefits.

Walmart and McDonalds are small businesses?

Point?

 

[expat_panama]

You've got two choices: Force the EMPLOYER to bear the cost of THEIR employees or pass it on to YOU, the TAXPAYER.

Ah, if employees want more money than there are two choices:

• they get more money from the employer or
• they get more money from the government.

Here's three more choices:

• they get another job with a second employer or
• they learn new skills so they can justify higher pay or
• they learn to get along on what they got.

Life in the adult world has lots of choices.

 

[expat_panama]

...Force small business to pay higher wages. Force small business.... Out of business. What the Hell!.... Democrats feel they didn't build that business anyway!

There aren't any small businesses that have failed because they paid their employees higher wages and given them benefits.

OnePercenter is correct, because when governments try to force a business to pay more for labor than it's worth, the owners have to close the business before they overpay employees.

 

[expat_panama]

...Force small business to pay higher wages. Force small business.... Out of business. What the Hell!.... Democrats feel they didn't build that business anyway!

You never mention people. All your concern goes toward business.

What-- you can't be saying that people are better off without businesses. Let's get clear on the facts: employees are people, employers are people, and we want them both. A min. wage law makes fewer of both because it outlaws hiring low value labor. Fewer min. wage laws mean more employees and more employers.

 

[f252863]

Calling people stupid does not a point make.

You are right.. but that doesn't negate the points being made and one other point added to the above OP...

NO one ever correctly states the true cost of minimum wage.
They use "$7.25" current minimum or as pointed out $12.00" proposed minimum wage.

But they ignore the ADDED costs to the employer BESIDES the increase to $12.00!

1)The 6.2% social security is also paid by the employer which adds another $1,574 a year paid by employer!
2)The 1.45% Medicare tax paid by the employer or another $350 paid by employer!
3)Then there is the FUTA and workman's comp costs based on wages paid...

So when people talk about raising minimum wage for 40 hour 52 week employee Nearly $1,900 TOTALLY ADDED cost per employee!

All if which is deductible (100%) for the employer. So what's the NET cost?

The cost is passed on to the consumer which leads to a higher cost of living. Not good.