Minimum Wage poll

[BrokeLoser]

What does minimum wage have to do with a safety net?

It depends on your definition of "safety net".

Mine includes a certain standard of living while working full time.
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Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
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Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

No, no, no - this thread is not about your xenophobic, racist, horseshit. Go hide behind you wall.

I’ll decide what I post pussy...fuck yourself

 

[Mac1958]

What does minimum wage have to do with a safety net?

It depends on your definition of "safety net".

Mine includes a certain standard of living while working full time.
.

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

No, no, no - this thread is not about your xenophobic, racist, horseshit. Go hide behind your wall.

The Dems love people like that.
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[BrokeLoser]

What does minimum wage have to do with a safety net?

It depends on your definition of "safety net".

Mine includes a certain standard of living while working full time.
.

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

 

[Mac1958]

It depends on your definition of "safety net".

Mine includes a certain standard of living while working full time.
.

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Good luck with that!
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[Mac1958]

It depends on your definition of "safety net".

Mine includes a certain standard of living while working full time.
.

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Hey, by the way, where is this "all white nation" gonna be, in "the very near future"?
.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Good luck with that!
.

No luck needed...nobody decent will stay in this shithole...If good people wanted to live amongst thirdworld filth we would have all moved to Wetbackville and lived like kings long ago.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Yeah. We've all got our 'standards'. Why do you feel justified in forcing yours on others?

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Hey, by the way, where is this "all white nation" gonna be, in "the very near future"?
.

Norway...New Zealand...there’s a number of them...look it up.

 

[Dragonlady]

I read that currently 2.7% of US workers are paid minimum wage. Elsewhere I read that 42% of US workers make $15/hr or less. So, if we raised minimum wage to $15/hr, we'd have 42% of US workers working for minimum wage. Which left me wonder what reformers see as the ideal percentage.

That percentage would drastically decrease from 42% back down to single digits.

What the Uninformed Voter doesn't understand is you can't increase wages on just one group of people. If you try to do that, it creates a domino effect.

The $8.00 an hour worker may be making $15.00 after a law is passed, but the $15.00 worker will be making $22.00 or more after it's passed.

It wouldn't help the poor and the new minimum wage would only be a livable wage for about a year or so until everybody else catches up. The only real change would be more investments in automation by companies, and more jobs leaving the US.

Right wingers SAY that jobs will be lost, but they aren't. Jobs increase when the minimum wages go up because there's so much pent up demand for goods and services.

Yes, prices will go up, but not as much as you're suggesting. It increases the cost of producing a burger by 10 cents to raise the burger flipper's wages by $1, so the increases in wages have a tremendous impact on the employees, and yes, wages all along the line will go up, because ALL OF THESE WORKERS NEED RAISES TOO.

The wages of all working people need to go up. Companies have managed increase every cost in their processes EXCEPT wages. Rents, property costs, equipment, insurance and materials have all gone up, and businesses survived. Wages COULD have gone up but the bosses didn't have to raise the wages so they didn't. It's time for some catch up for workers.

There is no "pent up" demand for goods and services. Where did you dream that up from? Goods and services have always been there and plenty of them. If they are not, people turn to the internet which is yet another threat to brick and mortar establishments.

Yes, raising minimum wage by one dollar will have little impact on pricing for places like McDonald's. That's because McDonald's sells 600 big macs a day, 2,000 french fries a day, 2,500 beverages a day, 800 breakfast sandwiches a day. However Earls Hardware store doesn't sell 400 hammers a day or 300 boxes of screws a day. Earl's Hardware will take a much harder hit than McDonald's.

The OP's scenario is $15.00 minimum wage. So think of how much higher prices will be. The reason people go to Walmart is because they can walk out of Walmart with a shopping cart of supplies for about a hundred bucks. That's in comparison to walking out of a store that sells American goods with only a half a cart for a hundred bucks.

People will buy less products because the prices would be much higher. I don't see that as a good thing. All you really did was increase the cost of living.

we have a demand side problem. solving simple poverty fixes that part of the equation, nothing more.

Ray believes in a "supply side" economy. Ray missed the class on "demand". Supply and demand are the opposite sides of the same coin. Republicans have trained their minions to pretend that "demand" doesn't exist, and "if you build it they will buy it". None of which is true.

I recently went through a two year process of post-retirement financial review and consolidation, the goal of which was to maximize my post-retirement income. But during this review period, my basic month expenses and my basic month income were an exact match. No wiggle room, no savings, no emergency fund. Over the two year period it took to complete the process, around the time my savings were exhausted, my laptop died. Then my one and only TV died. And finally my vaccuum cleaner went just as the cat started his spring shed. At the end of the two year process, my base income is now $75. a week less than I was making when I was working. And I was able to take a chunk of the capital and buy a new laptop, two TV's - a 32" smart small TV for the sewing room, and a 55" inch home theatre for the living room. I had my bicycle tuned up and tricked out. Bought a lot of peripherals for my new media, including an android box, ChromeCast, wireless printer, and a wireless keyboard and mouse. I got my sewing machines tuned up and I'm looking at buying a new embroidery machine. And I bought some new bedding. Since July, the boxes have flowed into my apartment. I purchaseed locally, where possible, but always on sale, for value.

Going forward, the increased income means that I can now go to the weekly luncheons with friends more than once a month, and to entertain in my home, offering friends a nice wine with dinner. And since I live in wine country, I'm can tout my favourite local winery, which is very good but a bit pricey. I can join my friend's bowling league - I couldn't afford the $80 a month with no wiggle room in the budget. So the local sporting goods shop, restaurants, bowling alley, and computer store, and of course, Canadian Tire store, have all benefited from the release of my "pent up demand", and my increased income going forward.

That is the law of supply and demand. That is why putting more money into the hands of millionaires isn't doing jack shit for the economy. There are millions of households all over the USA, households dependent on food stamps and Section 8, who, if they had an increase in income, would release all of that pent up demand, and the economy would grow organically.
But the pump that is income must be primed.

 

[dblack]

I'm just pointing out the obvious.

If you like the every-man-for-himself approach, great. We'll see how that plays out electorally over time. I have my guesses on that.

That's my point.
.

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Hey, by the way, where is this "all white nation" gonna be, in "the very near future"?
.

Norway...New Zealand...there’s a number of them...look it up.

Well, wtf are you waiting on? Get going already.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Flood the nation with low iQ, disgusting wetbacks and you’re certain as to where things are headed huh? It’s a perfect plan for you beggars...right?

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Hey, by the way, where is this "all white nation" gonna be, in "the very near future"?
.

Norway...New Zealand...there’s a number of them...look it up.

Well, wtf are you waiting on? Get going already.

Nah, for now I’m having fun watching you filthy fucks and your dirty wetbacks fuck shit up...haha

 

[Uncensored2008]

The $8.00 an hour worker may be making $15.00 after a law is passed, but the $15.00 worker will be making $22.00 or more after it's passed.

So, everyone would make more money! That's a good thing, right?

Increasing the volume of currency will not and can not alter the value created by an action.

The value of a person stocking cans on a shelf is static. The dollars paid to that person does not alter the value. Either prices must rise to cover the gap between volume and value, or the business will cease to turn a profit and fail.

Milton Friedman wrote extensively of this in "Capitalism and Freedom."

 

[Mac1958]

You're terrified of what's coming, and you don't have the capacity to do anything about it.

Too bad.
.

Hahaha...actually I have the means to do whatever the fuck I want to...I’ll be off to an all white nation at some point in the very near future....I’m looking forward to watching your filthy fucks burn this shithole to the fucking ground from afar.

Hey, by the way, where is this "all white nation" gonna be, in "the very near future"?
.

Norway...New Zealand...there’s a number of them...look it up.

Well, wtf are you waiting on? Get going already.

Nah, for now I’m having fun watching you filthy fucks and your dirty wetbacks fuck shit up...haha

You're miserable, and it's pretty obvious.
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[BluesLegend]

Fine, cut taxes so businesses can increase wages deal?

lol. tax cut economics is the only thing y'all know how to do.

Its MY money moocher, hands off!

 

[dblack]

The $8.00 an hour worker may be making $15.00 after a law is passed, but the $15.00 worker will be making $22.00 or more after it's passed.

So, everyone would make more money! That's a good thing, right?

Increasing the volume of currency will not and can not alter the value created by an action.

The value of a person stocking cans on a shelf is static. The dollars paid to that person does not alter the value. Either prices must rise to cover the gap between volume and value, or the business will cease to turn a profit and fail.

Milton Friedman wrote extensively of this in "Capitalism and Freedom."

That's crazy talk!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I read that currently 2.7% of US workers are paid minimum wage. Elsewhere I read that 42% of US workers make $15/hr or less. So, if we raised minimum wage to $15/hr, we'd have 42% of US workers working for minimum wage. Which left me wonder what reformers see as the ideal percentage.

0% only for trolls; for others a Federal Minimum Wage based on a 20% wage based on their congress critters salary and 25% from their two senators.

 

[dblack]

I read that currently 2.7% of US workers are paid minimum wage. Elsewhere I read that 42% of US workers make $15/hr or less. So, if we raised minimum wage to $15/hr, we'd have 42% of US workers working for minimum wage. Which left me wonder what reformers see as the ideal percentage.

0% only for trolls; for others a Federal Minimum Wage based on a 20% wage based on their congress critters salary and 25% from their two senators.

What do you mean by '20% wage'? Are you saying twenty percent of workers should be a minimum wage?

 

[Flash]

The "minimum" wage should be set by the labor market.

The filthy ass oppressive government should never be allowed to have a say in the matter.

The wages should be determined by the negotiations between an employer and employee.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That percentage would drastically decrease from 42% back down to single digits.

What the Uninformed Voter doesn't understand is you can't increase wages on just one group of people. If you try to do that, it creates a domino effect.

The $8.00 an hour worker may be making $15.00 after a law is passed, but the $15.00 worker will be making $22.00 or more after it's passed.

It wouldn't help the poor and the new minimum wage would only be a livable wage for about a year or so until everybody else catches up. The only real change would be more investments in automation by companies, and more jobs leaving the US.

^ that's sarcasm right?



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No, it's reality.

Bwahahahahaha..


I don't remember getting a $5 dollar raise the last time the national minimum wage was raised .


You smoking crack they might get 50 cents but $10 bucks more an hour?


You're nuts

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So let's say I have a job that requires some training and experience. I've been with my company for about five years and worked my way up to $15.00 from $10.00 an hour. Now minimum wage gets set to $15.00 per hour. Do you think after my experience, training and time with my company, I'm going to now be working for minimum wage when prior, I was working for seven dollars more than minimum?

If minimum wage goes up a quarter or even fifty cents, it won't have that kind of impact. But if you double the minimum wage, it will.

You are dreaming in some fantasy land if they could afford to pay them $22 an hour now they would.


You are going to get soaked if you make $15 an hour now...you will make minimum wage


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What you fail to grasp is that raising the minimum wage is an inflation spur. Because the value of tasks performed by workers will not change, anyone who needs unskilled labor will raise prices - they have to. If you double the minimum wage, McDonalds will double the price of a hamburger. semi-skilled workers will be hit with inflationary pressure as their costs double across the board and demand higher wages to compensate. Skilled labor will get fucked, as always and it will take years to regain the purchasing power they will lose. Eventually the market must find equilibrium or collapse.

You can NOT alter the value of labor performed by increasing the volume of fiat currency traded. Remember that fiat currency has no intrinsic value, it is merely a marker for value.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The $8.00 an hour worker may be making $15.00 after a law is passed, but the $15.00 worker will be making $22.00 or more after it's passed.

So, everyone would make more money! That's a good thing, right?

Increasing the volume of currency will not and can not alter the value created by an action.

The value of a person stocking cans on a shelf is static. The dollars paid to that person does not alter the value. Either prices must rise to cover the gap between volume and value, or the business will cease to turn a profit and fail.

Milton Friedman wrote extensively of this in "Capitalism and Freedom."

That's crazy talk!

Out for your morning troll I see...

 

[Uncensored2008]

I read that currently 2.7% of US workers are paid minimum wage. Elsewhere I read that 42% of US workers make $15/hr or less. So, if we raised minimum wage to $15/hr, we'd have 42% of US workers working for minimum wage. Which left me wonder what reformers see as the ideal percentage.

0% only for trolls; for others a Federal Minimum Wage based on a 20% wage based on their congress critters salary and 25% from their two senators.

If we do that, then we need to set a cap on federal employees that none can be paid a sum greater than minimum wage, including bonuses and retirement benefits.

A good Stasi agent like you would be happy with that, da Comrade?