More Guns in the hands of Americans the answer to crazed Killers,Not Gun Control.!

[2aguy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

Actually, you are wrong.......there are many cases of people stopping mass shooters...I have posted them several times....

And the giffords shooting, there were two concealed carriers at the scene...one was ready to shoot but saw it was unecessary..the other came out of a store, and saw the first guy. He drew his weapon and realized the guy wasn't shooting anyone, and other people around him said the guy wasn't the shooter...to be safe, he told the first concealed carrier to put his weapon on the ground and to put his foot on it.....at this point the actual shooter had moved too close to someone he shot in the head but didn't kill....that guy tackled the shooter and he was jumped on by others....

 

[2aguy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

and of course you are wrong about the church shootings...



Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston church shooting - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ( 9 dead)

vs.

Deputies Osceola pastor shot church janitor in self-defense ( 0 dead)

6 Shot At New Life Church Gunman 2 Churchgoers Dead - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

Remember This SC Concealed Carrier Stops Mass Shooting During Church Service. No Casualties. ( 0 dead)
**********
No guns: 15 dead

Sikh temple ( 6 dead, 4 wounded)

Charleston ( 9 dead)


Parishioners with guns: 2 dead

Osceola ( 0 dead )

New life ( 2 dead, 3 wounded)

South Carolina shotgun guy ( 0 dead)


Temple massacre has some Sikhs mulling gun ownership

The president of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin had only a butter knife on hand, which he used to fight the gunman. He was killed, but his heroic actions were credited for slowing the shooter. Guns were not allowed in the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin.

“No guns [were] allowed in the temple,” Kulbir Singh, an attendee of the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, told FoxNews.com. “Everyone knows that it’s not allowed, anywhere in the temple.”

 

[westwall]

"More Guns in the hands of Americans the answer to crazed Killers,Not Gun Control.!"

Nonsense.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Whatever measures might be enacted, they must conform with current Second Amendment jurisprudence; and by doing so, Americans will have ample access to firearms.

There are 130 dead French people who would love to be able to disagree with you...but they are no longer with us because they weren't able to defend themselves.

You're flat out wrong.

 

[2aguy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

And here is this mass shooting stopped by a Dr. who violated his hospital's gun free zone policy by bringing his lawfully owned weapon into a gun free zone..

Penn. psychiatric center shooting intended mass killing: DA

 

[Delta4Embassy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

Actually, you are wrong.......there are many cases of people stopping mass shooters...I have posted them several times....

And the giffords shooting, there were two concealed carriers at the scene...one was ready to shoot but saw it was unecessary..the other came out of a store, and saw the first guy. He drew his weapon and realized the guy wasn't shooting anyone, and other people around him said the guy wasn't the shooter...to be safe, he told the first concealed carrier to put his weapon on the ground and to put his foot on it.....at this point the actual shooter had moved too close to someone he shot in the head but didn't kill....that guy tackled the shooter and he was jumped on by others....

I know there are many incidents boy, if you knew how to read every word you'd have gotten that. But those incidents aren't being covered very well that most people don't.

 

[2aguy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

and of course..the real reason.....anti gun extremists have used the law to make almost every public space gun free zones....where normal, law abiding people who can normally carry guns for self defense, can't carry their guns...

So...after having made malls, theaters, schools, government buildings and everything else they can get their hands on gun free......when a mass shooter shows up...there are no law abiding gun owners carrying guns....because they obeyed the law about gun free zones....

Then, of course, the anti gunners jump up and down and shout...see....see.......no good guy with a gun stopped that mass shooter...

Of course..the anti gunners can't stop all law abiding people..as my previous post shows......

Armed citizens actually do stop mass shooters...when they are actually allowed to carry their guns.

 

[2aguy]

With the recent increase in these mass murder shooting situations, I must confess to you all that more armed Americans is the only logical solution to these shootings. If there was an armed citizen in the conference
room in San Bernadino, he or she could have put a stop to the two crazed killers. Gun control is not the answer,
as both assault rifles were purchased legally. The Gun grabbers always try to use these unfortunate mass shootings as a scapegoat to deliver their gun control agenda. When we look at these type of events, we can
logically see that armed American citizens would have been able to stop the carnage that we are reading about, and seeing on the network news. More armed Americans is the correct response to the terrorist , who by the way are already armed with fully automatic AK 47 assault rifles, and RPG's.

I'm not aware of major shooting incidents ended because a civlian had a weapon. And that's because the pro-gun people aren't writing about such incidents. Or not enough it's become common knowledge.

I know the Giffords shooting had someone armed but he cowered on the deck like everyone else. And some church shooting comes to mind, but the armed citizen accidentally killed a kid instead of the hostile actor.

Actually, you are wrong.......there are many cases of people stopping mass shooters...I have posted them several times....

And the giffords shooting, there were two concealed carriers at the scene...one was ready to shoot but saw it was unecessary..the other came out of a store, and saw the first guy. He drew his weapon and realized the guy wasn't shooting anyone, and other people around him said the guy wasn't the shooter...to be safe, he told the first concealed carrier to put his weapon on the ground and to put his foot on it.....at this point the actual shooter had moved too close to someone he shot in the head but didn't kill....that guy tackled the shooter and he was jumped on by others....

I know there are many incidents boy, if you knew how to read every word you'd have gotten that. But those incidents aren't being covered very well that most people don't.

Twit...I am not a boy.....and you are obviously not a man.....I know that you have been on this site for a long time and have seen the shootings that were stopped in posts by various people...that you choose to pretend you didn't is something that is strange...

 

[Pete7469]

Well, ^^^ more evidence you're a lunatic.

Total proof you're a mindless oxygen thief who is totally indoctrinated either with the idea that 2nd Amendment Rights advocates are scared of monsters you pretend don't exist, or the idea that 2nd Amendment advocates represent something that is a threat to yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't care what anyone else ownes, as long as you can too.

 

[Brain357]

The fact still remains if there was someone there with a gun or an assault rifle , the carnage could have been averted.
case closed.!!!

Or that person would just be dead like the armed guy who tried to stop the shooters at Walmart.

And then again not...since 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives........for every victim you can show we can show more who used guns to stop it......you guys are nuts. You would actually be happier that people were raped, robbed, tortured, kidnapped or murdered than that they have a chance to stop it with a gun.

No you can't. Your 1.5 million are imaginary. They are extrapolations from bad surveys.

 

[Brain357]

You have no basis for your thousands of lives saved claim.

Except for 40 years of research by trained researchers into the issue….except for that…..

None of those claim thousands of lives saved.

With 1.5 million crimes stopped by people with guns…according to bill clinton…..lives are saved and they will be in the thousands…...

Very unlikely and your studies don't make that claim. There are about 14,000 murders each year. Gun owners are a minority with those who carry a tiny minority. And of course many who are killed did have a gun, but it failed to save them. The number of lives saved is likely to be under the 500 accidently killed.

and you just pulled that number out of your ass......I use actual research.......

Out of my ass? A minority of the population can't be saving more lives than are being murdered each year. And since concealed carry are a tiny minority the number of lives saved at most is a small percentage of 14,000.

 

[Brain357]

You have no basis for your thousands of lives saved claim.

Except for 40 years of research by trained researchers into the issue….except for that…..

None of those claim thousands of lives saved.

With 1.5 million crimes stopped by people with guns…according to bill clinton…..lives are saved and they will be in the thousands…...

Very unlikely and your studies don't make that claim. There are about 14,000 murders each year. Gun owners are a minority with those who carry a tiny minority. And of course many who are killed did have a gun, but it failed to save them. The number of lives saved is likely to be under the 500 accidently killed.

Actual research...not numbers pulled out of your ass Brain...

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....


And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

Those aren't life saving estimates. And since we only have 1.5 million violent crimes each year are obviously wrong.

 

[Brain357]

You have no basis for your thousands of lives saved claim.

Except for 40 years of research by trained researchers into the issue….except for that…..

None of those claim thousands of lives saved.

With 1.5 million crimes stopped by people with guns…according to bill clinton…..lives are saved and they will be in the thousands…...

Very unlikely and your studies don't make that claim. There are about 14,000 murders each year. Gun owners are a minority with those who carry a tiny minority. And of course many who are killed did have a gun, but it failed to save them. The number of lives saved is likely to be under the 500 accidently killed.

and of course, actual research shows that women who use guns are raped less than women who use any other method...

And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape



A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

***********************

I see you are still posting the same things over and over gunbot.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well, ^^^ more evidence you're a lunatic.

Total proof you're a mindless oxygen thief who is totally indoctrinated either with the idea that 2nd Amendment Rights advocates are scared of monsters you pretend don't exist, or the idea that 2nd Amendment advocates represent something that is a threat to yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't care what anyone else ownes, as long as you can too.

I don't feel any threat. Most of you gun advocates come across as children posting from their bedroom in the home of their parents. I doubt you or 2aguy ever served in the military, attend a Jr. college or met anyone with a four-year degree from a University.

I'm a Navy Vet, hold a graduate degree, have been married for 41 years, & have two adult sons; I'm a retired LE professional.

You pete, strike me as a punk, a little coward who has fantasies like 2aguy of being a hero. I've seen the result of gun violence up front and personal. That's why I peg you two and others like you as posers.

 

[2aguy]

The fact still remains if there was someone there with a gun or an assault rifle , the carnage could have been averted.
case closed.!!!

Or that person would just be dead like the armed guy who tried to stop the shooters at Walmart.

And then again not...since 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives........for every victim you can show we can show more who used guns to stop it......you guys are nuts. You would actually be happier that people were raped, robbed, tortured, kidnapped or murdered than that they have a chance to stop it with a gun.

No you can't. Your 1.5 million are imaginary. They are extrapolations from bad surveys.

Nope…..40 years of research…..by trained professionals….from several different research fields…..deny it all you want….their numbers come from actual research, yours do not…you made them up because you think they sound good.

 

[2aguy]

Except for 40 years of research by trained researchers into the issue….except for that…..

None of those claim thousands of lives saved.

With 1.5 million crimes stopped by people with guns…according to bill clinton…..lives are saved and they will be in the thousands…...

Very unlikely and your studies don't make that claim. There are about 14,000 murders each year. Gun owners are a minority with those who carry a tiny minority. And of course many who are killed did have a gun, but it failed to save them. The number of lives saved is likely to be under the 500 accidently killed.

Actual research...not numbers pulled out of your ass Brain...

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....


And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

Those aren't life saving estimates. And since we only have 1.5 million violent crimes each year are obviously wrong.

Wrong….we have more than 1.5 million, those are reported crimes…..

 

[Pete7469]

I don't feel any threat. Most of you gun advocates come across as children posting from their bedroom in the home of their parents. I doubt you or 2aguy ever served in the military, attend a Jr. college or met anyone with a four-year degree from a University.

I'm a Navy Vet, hold a graduate degree, have been married for 41 years, & have two adult sons; I'm a retired LE professional.

You pete, strike me as a punk, a little coward who has fantasies like 2aguy of being a hero. I've seen the result of gun violence up front and personal. That's why I peg you two and others like you as posers.

I'm not real impressed by bed wetters who bloviate about being vets, "educated" or anything else. You're nothing but a smug, self righteous pseudo intellectual abortion that should have stayed in the dumpster.

You have no clue about who I am, or who anyone else is. The bottom line is that you should be more concerned about your own bladder control than about taking away the rights of others.

They have all the gun control and regressive bullshit your treasonous ass could ever wish for in North Korea. So take your sniveling servile mindless ass there and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

Parasite.

 

[Brain357]

None of those claim thousands of lives saved.

With 1.5 million crimes stopped by people with guns…according to bill clinton…..lives are saved and they will be in the thousands…...

Very unlikely and your studies don't make that claim. There are about 14,000 murders each year. Gun owners are a minority with those who carry a tiny minority. And of course many who are killed did have a gun, but it failed to save them. The number of lives saved is likely to be under the 500 accidently killed.

Actual research...not numbers pulled out of your ass Brain...

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....


And here we have studies that show that guns are the most effective way to stop a rape.....
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

Those aren't life saving estimates. And since we only have 1.5 million violent crimes each year are obviously wrong.

Wrong….we have more than 1.5 million, those are reported crimes…..

The only type of people that don't report crimes are criminals themselves. That must be the majority of your defenses.

And again those numbers don't estimate lives saved. That number is obviously very small.

 

[Brain357]

The fact still remains if there was someone there with a gun or an assault rifle , the carnage could have been averted.
case closed.!!!

Or that person would just be dead like the armed guy who tried to stop the shooters at Walmart.

And then again not...since 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives........for every victim you can show we can show more who used guns to stop it......you guys are nuts. You would actually be happier that people were raped, robbed, tortured, kidnapped or murdered than that they have a chance to stop it with a gun.

No you can't. Your 1.5 million are imaginary. They are extrapolations from bad surveys.

Nope…..40 years of research…..by trained professionals….from several different research fields…..deny it all you want….their numbers come from actual research, yours do not…you made them up because you think they sound good.

You can't even show those numbers are mathematically possible based on current crime rates and gun ownership.

 

[2aguy]

Again….making things up……must be nice…those of us who actually follow the research wish we could just make numbers up….

 

[2aguy]

The fact still remains if there was someone there with a gun or an assault rifle , the carnage could have been averted.
case closed.!!!

Or that person would just be dead like the armed guy who tried to stop the shooters at Walmart.

And then again not...since 1.5 million times a year according to bill clinton Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and save lives........for every victim you can show we can show more who used guns to stop it......you guys are nuts. You would actually be happier that people were raped, robbed, tortured, kidnapped or murdered than that they have a chance to stop it with a gun.

No you can't. Your 1.5 million are imaginary. They are extrapolations from bad surveys.

Nope…..40 years of research…..by trained professionals….from several different research fields…..deny it all you want….their numbers come from actual research, yours do not…you made them up because you think they sound good.

You can't even show those numbers are mathematically possible based on current crime rates and gun ownership.

Yes…they are possible…1.5 million out of 320 million people…..and 90 million homes with guns in them spread across the entire country……sometimes with individuals involved in multiple encounters because of the neighborhood they live in…

the famous watch shop owner……was involved in 3 actual shoot outs against gang bangers and he killed 5…..that isn't the norm…but the people who show a weapon to drive off an attacker…in some of these democrat controlled cities…yes, those numbers are possible…..

And not all crimes are reported especially if no shots needed to be fired and the criminal ran away…which they do in most cases of self defense.

So keep pulling number out of your ass…I will rely on actual trained researchers in Sociology, Criminology, and Economics from both government agency sponsored research and research by private researchers…..40 years of it….with many of them anti gun researchers….

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....