More lefties learn the glory of the 15 dollar minimum wage....unemployment.....

[HereWeGoAgain]

If you care to dispute claims in the OP, some basis other than your emotions would be in order.
Are you calling Ritu Shah Burnham a liar?

Well the increase has hardly even taken effect. It will be years before it reaches $15. There is no way that a few cents increase to minimum wage workers is causing noticeable inflation. And a few cents increase shouldn't make it so a business goes under. They were in trouble already obviously. The claims of the article are obviously false.

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Ernie's product costs will rise as his suppliers will also be paying not just higher MW but higher wages across the board. There is no chance that increased profits will cover his costs. None. Zippo. Zilch. Nada. He will either accept less or close his biz.

Perhaps Ernie`s employees will have enough money to buy Ernie`s product. Henry Ford figured this out 100 years ago. Consumers create jobs.

Pretty sure his employees can afford beer on tap. If they want to drink Makers Mark they could pool there money and buy a bottle.

 

[August West]

Well the increase has hardly even taken effect. It will be years before it reaches $15. There is no way that a few cents increase to minimum wage workers is causing noticeable inflation. And a few cents increase shouldn't make it so a business goes under. They were in trouble already obviously. The claims of the article are obviously false.

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Raising min wage to $15 for me would be over 50%

And no, sales would not increase appreciably. I own a bar. Minimum wage earners spend very little in bars.
I like the shrimpers who are out 2 weeks and in for 4 days. THEY spend money.

There will not be a $15 federal min wage.

The whole fucking discussion is about raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. No one said shit about federal min wage.

Please try to keep up, Brain-dead.

Do you know what negotiations are? Ask for $15 and hope to get 10. Who`s brain dead?

 

[Ernie S.]

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Raising min wage to $15 for me would be over 50%

And no, sales would not increase appreciably. I own a bar. Minimum wage earners spend very little in bars.
I like the shrimpers who are out 2 weeks and in for 4 days. THEY spend money.

There will not be a $15 federal min wage.

The whole fucking discussion is about raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. No one said shit about federal min wage.

Please try to keep up, Brain-dead.

In Seattle. Are you in Seattle? If not your business isn't effected and you should keep up.

I never claimed to be in Seattle or effected by a min wage increase. I only said raising my labor costs 50% would be the end of my business.
Please take the rest of the day off and read a book on how not to be a fucking idiot. Come back in the morning and we'll talk.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Get a room mate like Americans have been doing for hundreds of years.
No one has the right to live by themselves because you say so.

I never ever said that. I've never said anything about one living alone. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

You can quote me all you want, it wont change what I said. I have NEVER ever said anything about a worker living alone, never. I have NEVER ever said anything about it wasn't possible to be self-supporting on a minimum wage job. I have NEVER ever said anything about taking away any jobs, never. I have NEVER ever said anything about taking away flipping burgers, never. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Dont get mad at me,it's your quote.

 

[SAYIT]

No they were going under regardless...

And standing in the rubble of lost businesses and lost jobs that is how you will rationalize away your culpability. You make me sick.

That has never happened with a min wage increase.

CBO estimates the proposal (raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10) would: Reduce employment by 500,000.
http://www.businessinsider.com/if-your-minimum-wage-increase-doesnt-raise-unemployment-you-didnt-raise-the-minimum-wage-enough-2014-2#ixzz3ZIqAwaQg

 

[Ernie S.]

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Raising min wage to $15 for me would be over 50%

And no, sales would not increase appreciably. I own a bar. Minimum wage earners spend very little in bars.
I like the shrimpers who are out 2 weeks and in for 4 days. THEY spend money.

There will not be a $15 federal min wage.

The whole fucking discussion is about raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. No one said shit about federal min wage.

Please try to keep up, Brain-dead.

Do you know what negotiations are? Ask for $15 and hope to get 10. Who`s brain dead?

Who did I reply to?

 

[Sonny Clark]

I never ever said that. I've never said anything about one living alone. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

It seems most the jobs being created are of the flipping variety. The good jobs are going to China.

The last time I checked there were over 6'000 homes just in my master planned community alone.
There are 93 master planned communities in the Houston area.

Not a single one of the people living in these master planned communities are on min wage.
Funny how that many people can manage to find jobs that afford them the ability to live in those communities.

FYI - You can NOT compare the Houston area with the entire country, nor with the jobs market everywhere in the U.S.A. Different areas of the country have different economies.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Raising min wage to $15 for me would be over 50%

And no, sales would not increase appreciably. I own a bar. Minimum wage earners spend very little in bars.
I like the shrimpers who are out 2 weeks and in for 4 days. THEY spend money.

There will not be a $15 federal min wage.

The whole fucking discussion is about raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. No one said shit about federal min wage.

Please try to keep up, Brain-dead.

Do you know what negotiations are? Ask for $15 and hope to get 10. Who`s brain dead?

That would be you. 15 bucks an hour is not a reasonable starting point.
They should accept a buck and get back to the fry machine and STFU.

 

[Muhammed]

I never ever said that. I've never said anything about one living alone. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

What was the minimum wage back then when you were "self-supporting" on a minimum wage job?

Around 3.50 back in 86.

If you were telling the truth you would remember what the minimum wage was in 1986.

 

[SAYIT]

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that wages will have to be raised across the board and that WILL jack up prices?

I posted a link to a study showing that min wage increases don't cause the sky to fall. You are ignoring history.

I posted two that said federal MW increases absolutely eliminates jobs and businesses. Why are you ignoring facts and logic?

 

[August West]

Instead of raising wages let`s loot the Treasury again with tax cuts that didn`t do shit other than raise the deficit.
The lost decade for the economy
Again, it`s consumers who create jobs, not the wealthy. Jr. High Economics.

 

[Sonny Clark]

They are staying open. The closing was all a farce. Don't be duped so easy.

Don't be naive ... $15/hr MW will cost jobs and livelihoods.

Well, we're losing jobs and lowering our standard of living as we speak anyway. Either pay your labor or close the doors.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

It seems most the jobs being created are of the flipping variety. The good jobs are going to China.

The last time I checked there were over 6'000 homes just in my master planned community alone.
There are 93 master planned communities in the Houston area.

Not a single one of the people living in these master planned communities are on min wage.
Funny how that many people can manage to find jobs that afford them the ability to live in those communities.

FYI - You can NOT compare the Houston area with the entire country, nor with the jobs market everywhere in the U.S.A. Different areas of the country have different economies.

So you admit the conservative economy in Texas is Superior to what liberal seattle employs...
Now that we have that straightened out......

 

[Sonny Clark]

I never ever said that. I've never said anything about one living alone. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

You can quote me all you want, it wont change what I said. I have NEVER ever said anything about a worker living alone, never. I have NEVER ever said anything about it wasn't possible to be self-supporting on a minimum wage job. I have NEVER ever said anything about taking away any jobs, never. I have NEVER ever said anything about taking away flipping burgers, never. Obviously you have me confused with someone else.

Dont get mad at me,it's your quote.

I'm not mad at you, nor at anyone else. Yes, it was my quote. But my quote never said anything about a worker living alone, nor did it imply such. You're the one that twisted it to mean something entirely different.

 

[SAYIT]

Do you know what negotiations are? Ask for $15 and hope to get 10. Who`s brain dead?

That would be you. 15 bucks an hour is not a reasonable starting point. They should accept a buck and get back to the fry machine and STFU.

There is such a wide range of living costs across the US that no federal MW can justly address the issue. This is a state and local issue.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

It seems most the jobs being created are of the flipping variety. The good jobs are going to China.

The last time I checked there were over 6'000 homes just in my master planned community alone.
There are 93 master planned communities in the Houston area.

Not a single one of the people living in these master planned communities are on min wage.
Funny how that many people can manage to find jobs that afford them the ability to live in those communities.

FYI - You can NOT compare the Houston area with the entire country, nor with the jobs market everywhere in the U.S.A. Different areas of the country have different economies.

So you admit the conservative economy in Texas is Superior to what liberal seattle employs...
Now that we have that straightened out......

No, I do NOT admit any such thing. I said, " you can NOT compare the economy, nor the labor market, in Houston with the entire country, as to it being booming or not." There are plenty of places in the U.S. that has never recovered, may not recover a long time to come. Yes, there are areas in this country that have bounced back and are doing well, but other areas have NOT. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with either Liberal or conservative. Oh, we don't have anything straight, not by a long shot.

 

[Brain357]

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Raising min wage to $15 for me would be over 50%

And no, sales would not increase appreciably. I own a bar. Minimum wage earners spend very little in bars.
I like the shrimpers who are out 2 weeks and in for 4 days. THEY spend money.

There will not be a $15 federal min wage.

The whole fucking discussion is about raising the minimum wage to $15/hour. No one said shit about federal min wage.

Please try to keep up, Brain-dead.

In Seattle. Are you in Seattle? If not your business isn't effected and you should keep up.

I never claimed to be in Seattle or effected by a min wage increase. I only said raising my labor costs 50% would be the end of my business.
Please take the rest of the day off and read a book on how not to be a fucking idiot. Come back in the morning and we'll talk.

So if not in Seattle you are not effected. Try to keep up.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Do you know what negotiations are? Ask for $15 and hope to get 10. Who`s brain dead?

That would be you. 15 bucks an hour is not a reasonable starting point. They should accept a buck and get back to the fry machine and STFU.

There is such a wide range of living costs across the US that no federal MW can justly address the issue. This is a state and local issue.

You are so correct, and I have stated such many times in the past, for years. It's common sense that it cost more to live in New York City that it is to live in Jackson Mississippi. A living wage depends on where one lives.

 

[SAYIT]

If you care to dispute claims in the OP, some basis other than your emotions would be in order.
Are you calling Ritu Shah Burnham a liar?

Well the increase has hardly even taken effect. It will be years before it reaches $15. There is no way that a few cents increase to minimum wage workers is causing noticeable inflation. And a few cents increase shouldn't make it so a business goes under. They were in trouble already obviously. The claims of the article are obviously false.

Most small businesses are in trouble. Take mine, for instance. There are some weeks where I could carry my bank balance in nickels in one pocket. Other than my own labor, which is not paid, I have 120 hrs of paid labor/week. Increasing that cost 50% would break me.
I have to have bar staff and security and I can't raise prices the 20% or so I would have to, just to keep my head above water.

Sales would increase if there was a min wage increase. The increase won't be 50%.

Ernie's product costs will rise as his suppliers will also be paying not just higher MW but higher wages across the board. There is no chance that increased profits will cover his costs. None. Zippo. Zilch. Nada. He will either accept less or close his biz.

History says different.

No it doesn't and the CBO agrees with me:
"CBO estimates the proposal (raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10) would: ... Reduce employment by 500,000."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/if-your-minimum-wage-increase-doesnt-raise-unemployment-you-didnt-raise-the-minimum-wage-enough-2014-2#ixzz3ZIqAwaQg

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Sure sounds like it....
"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

There is absolutely no reason for someone to be at min wage for more than 6 months unless they are a complete dolt.

Sorry, that's not reality in this jobs market. Under ideal circumstances, they probably wouldn't be at minimum wage very long. But, we live in different times, with a different economy and jobs market. ........... Regardless of what it sounds like, I have never ever said anything about a worker living alone.

How many times do I have to quote you?

"FYI - A living wage is one that allows a worker to be self-supporting without the need for assistance."

It's entirely possible to be self supporting on min wage.
I did it,as have millions of others.
And it gave me the incentive to better myself. Pay some schmuck 15 bucks an hour and the loser will flip burgers for life and there wont be any job openings for our youth.
Wetbacks have already stolen lawn mowing as a summer job for our children now you want to take away flipping burgers?
Sounds like a great way to fuck over the next generation...thanks a lot.

What was the minimum wage back then when you were "self-supporting" on a minimum wage job?

Around 3.50 back in 86.

If you were telling the truth you would remember what the minimum wage was in 1986.

What the fuck are you babbling about?