Most Americans like Socialism

[Wry Catcher]

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I don't know any Democrats (capital "D" is proper grammar, BTW) who advocate mass murder or appeared with firearms to challenge the Federal Government in their effort to protect a scofflaw such as Cliven Bundy.

Of course not even those clowns could be characterized as Khmer Rouge, only an ignorant partisan hack would suggest such an absurdity.

Khmer Rouge democrats (lower case "d" for gutter scum of this level,) have yet to advocate mass murder, but have exceeded the demagoguery of Josef Goebbels and are in Pol Pot territory with the defamation that defines their interaction with others. Only Pot and his scum ever reached the depths of defamation that defines the American democrat party.

You've well earned your place.

As have you. Your side of aisle, maybe not you, still advocate violence as a means to an end. That some are still fighting the Civil War, or choose to fight civil authority with guns and not lawyers is one of many reasons I personally find the contemporary right wing uncivilized.

I disagree with your characterization of Goebbels and Pot as demagogues, both embraced violence, the former with his rhetoric, the latter with the gun.

I won't argue with you on the use of defamation, calling an entire set of American Citizens "scum" makes you an authority.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Iceland is in the process of recovering from their socialism experiment, it's doubtful they will ever be able to repay their debt....much like the US

 

[Wry Catcher]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Childish replies are often a result of "playing to ones audience"....as is definitely the case here..
Why should I waste anything even remotely articulate on a fool like you...??....

Name where socialism has ever succeeded, I'm not interested in your other BS. If you can't then cease responding to me, loser. Tick tock tick tock....fool.

Most Christian churches, from each according to their ability (the ubiquitous collections basket) to each according to their needs (food and clothing for the poor).

Pure Socialism, and pure Capitalism, have never existed. I suggested SIL turn off Fox Entertainment (aka Fox News), tune out AM radio disc jokers and read some history books.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Childish replies are often a result of "playing to ones audience"....as is definitely the case here..
Why should I waste anything even remotely articulate on a fool like you...??....

Name where socialism has ever succeeded, I'm not interested in your other BS. If you can't then cease responding to me, loser. Tick tock tick tock....fool.

Most Christian churches, from each according to their ability (the ubiquitous collections basket) to each according to their needs (food and clothing for the poor).

Pure Socialism, and pure Capitalism, have never existed. I suggested SIL turn off Fox Entertainment (aka Fox News), tune out AM radio disc jokers and read some history books.

It means very little to me what you suggest

 

[Uncensored2008]

What is meant by a Market System?

Really?

Guess I know why you're a leftist.

A market economy is one in which goods and services are offered freely by sellers to buyers without the use of government exchanges or brokerages.

Seeking a definition lead me to this:

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Okay?

 

[g5000]

Iceland is in the process of recovering from their socialism experiment, it's doubtful they will ever be able to repay their debt....much like the US

Their movement away from fishing and into international banking was not a "socialism experiment."

It was the exact opposite. And, as amateurs, they fucked up royally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, Iceland is a socialist country that HAS succeeded (for the most part). They are a small country that allows little to no immigration and nearly everything they make stays within the borders of their country. Wonder how THAT would go over with the communist left in this country?

I think we need to start with the basics.

There appears to be some confusion as to what the various forms of economic systems are.

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the government.

Iceland is and has been a market capitalist system. Despite the use of subsidies during the 70's and 80's, the Icelandic economy remained in private hands. Yes, I am aware of the massive subsidies of the fishing industry, but subsidies are not government ownership nor control.

Heritage says this;

{Despite recent setbacks, Iceland has consistently remained among the “mostly free,” falling below this threshold only once in its history in the Index. Supported by one of the strongest property rights regimes in the world, Iceland has built a society based on the rule of law and open markets. Fiscal policy has ranked poorly in recent years due to a collapsing revenue base and bank bailouts.}

Iceland Economy Population GDP Inflation Business Trade FDI Corruption

Tip of the hat to Wry Catcher for a good link.

 

[RKMBrown]

Actually, Iceland is a socialist country that HAS succeeded (for the most part). They are a small country that allows little to no immigration and nearly everything they make stays within the borders of their country. Wonder how THAT would go over with the communist left in this country?

I think we need to start with the basics.

There appears to be some confusion as to what the various forms of economic systems are.

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the government.

Iceland is and has been a market capitalist system. Despite the use of subsidies during the 70's and 80's, the Icelandic economy remained in private hands. Yes, I am aware of the massive subsidies of the fishing industry, but subsidies are not government ownership nor control.

Heritage says this;

{Despite recent setbacks, Iceland has consistently remained among the “mostly free,” falling below this threshold only once in its history in the Index. Supported by one of the strongest property rights regimes in the world, Iceland has built a society based on the rule of law and open markets. Fiscal policy has ranked poorly in recent years due to a collapsing revenue base and bank bailouts.}

Iceland Economy Population GDP Inflation Business Trade FDI Corruption

Tip of the hat to Wry Catcher for a good link.

Socialism is one of those words that have multiple meanings.

Full Definition of SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

How many times have you heard in the news today stories about "unequal distribution" of food, shelter, insurance, and pay? See definition number 3. As for full government ownership and administration... we are moving in that direction in every sector of the economy. Look at the trade agreement govco is doing right now... talking about taking even more of our jobs away for our own good.

 

[Edgetho]

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the government.

No it isn't. socialism is no such thing. It just isn't.

That is an absolutely, completely false premise.

And I'm not even differentiating between economic and political socialism. You CAN have one and not the other, believe it or not. Your call.....

socialism, as described by the imbecile Marx, is the cooperative ownership of the means of production BY THE WORKERS.

Engels described it as ownership by goobermint after a revolutionary uprising and takeover by violent socialist scum.

Marx did not.

In fact, if you read Marx, he hated government as much as the most ardent liberturdian,

socialism and who owns the means of production have NOTHING whatsoever to do with each other.

Nothing. What matters to true socialists is who benefits from the manufacturing process..... A Capitalist elite or the workers.

Gets complicated but trust me, socialism is NOT State ownership of -- Anything.

You may now continue and from now on, please dispense with the Community College definitions.

Thank you

 

[Wry Catcher]

What is meant by a Market System?

Seeking a definition lead me to this:

Country Rankings World Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

You had to look up what is a market system?

Yep, would you care to define it.

 

[norwegen]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

But but but . . . America is different.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Childish replies are often a result of "playing to ones audience"....as is definitely the case here..
Why should I waste anything even remotely articulate on a fool like you...??....

Name where socialism has ever succeeded, I'm not interested in your other BS. If you can't then cease responding to me, loser. Tick tock tick tock....fool.

Most Christian churches, from each according to their ability (the ubiquitous collections basket) to each according to their needs (food and clothing for the poor).

Pure Socialism, and pure Capitalism, have never existed. I suggested SIL turn off Fox Entertainment (aka Fox News), tune out AM radio disc jokers and read some history books.

It means very little to me what you suggest

I understand, willfully ignorance is chronic and staves off any possibility of cognitive dissonance. ear not little one, someday, if you're lucky a light bulb will burn, maybe not very bright but as dim as it will be, it's a start.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Go look out your window.

See that long straight thing where you drive your car?

Or, let's say you find a fire burning in the middle of your living room floor.

Who you gonna call?

Knee jerk dummy.

the road, and the fire department are values to me.
can you explain to me the value in paying some welfare queen to sit on her backside all day eating taxpayer funded food while watching Springer on the welfare funded big screen while talking to her other welfare queen friends on the free obama phone?
I am curious how this helps me. Or if that's too tough,
tell me how it helps me to pay so much for my insurance now that I cant afford to go to a doctor, so that some unproductive individual can go for free at my expense.
Now, what happens when every one in the country decides to kick back, not work and just collect the free stuff,, who is going to pay for that?

 

[norwegen]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Go look out your window.

See that long straight thing where you drive your car?

Or, let's say you find a fire burning in the middle of your living room floor.

Who you gonna call?

Knee jerk dummy.

the road, and the fire department are values to me.
can you explain to me the value in paying some welfare queen to sit on her backside all day eating taxpayer funded food while watching Springer on the welfare funded big screen while talking to her other welfare queen friends on the free obama phone?
I am curious how this helps me. Or if that's too tough,
tell me how it helps me to pay so much for my insurance now that I cant afford to go to a doctor, so that some unproductive individual can go for free at my expense.
Now, what happens when every one in the country decides to kick back, not work and just collect the free stuff,, who is going to pay for that?

Even police and fire protection are ignorant liberal talking points. Private police and fire companies have shown themselves more efficient and cost-effective than their publicly-owned counterparts.

 

[Edgetho]

Here's what's funny.

Lame brained little nitwit dimocrap morons run around like they've just discovered their pathetic little dicks when they read about socialism.

Like it's something really new and really exciting.

It isn't.

In fact, it goes back to Lycurgus, Pythagorus, Plato and his completely idiotic Republica.

Sparta was communist but was also very much socialist. Sparta was completely and absolutely collectivist. IF you happened to be Spartan.

If you were a Helot, it wasn't such a great system. But Sparta? About as socialist as it gets.

Socrates, who probably never existed anyway, was executed by the Republicans in Athens. Plato wasn't really all that welcomed. He was a stone-cold socilaist and probably invented Socrates as a way to vicariously give his thoughts so the Republicans in Athens wouldn't execute his sorry ass.

You should read De Republica. It's s trip. Plato talks about keeping all children away from their parent from the time their born. Separating them according to the class structure which their born into.

Hitler would have been proud.

And he was one of the very first leading proponents of what we would call socialism today.

socialists have always been scum. Always will be too.

Although I DO like Sparta's outlook. You're either a Warrior or a slave.

We could use a few centuries of that. Clean up the gene pool a little bit.

You people don't know SHIT about socialism. Stop pretending like you do.

You don't.

Republicans and other Patriots see it as an existential evil (it is not) and dimocrap scum see it as a Christ Saviour come to save them from -- Themselves. It is not.

Socialism could probably work and work well in a Country with a completely similar population with exactly the same wants and needs and skill sets and a good, strong work ethic and the same religion and maybe even the same height and weight and all the chicks are hot and.........

Not gonna happen, people. Not during this millenium.

Maybe the next one. But not this one.

Know who would fuck it up? dimocraps. The same scumbags that push so hard for it. They don't want equal rights or equal anything else -- They want SPECIAL RIGHTS. They want shit for free. They want YOU to work while they sit home and get fat and smoke pot all day. Then they want you to give them what you busted your ass for.

Want proof? I haven't seen a White Man on a roof down here in 20 years.

ALL the carpenters and ALL the roofers and especially ALL the masonry workers down here are all Hispanic.

The Blacks? You can't even get them to show up, much less work if they do happen to get there. If one does happen to show up, all he's gonna do is argue with you when he's not fucking off somewhere.

Don't like it? Suck on it. It's the way it is



dimocraps are scum

period

 

[Wry Catcher]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Go look out your window.

See that long straight thing where you drive your car?

Or, let's say you find a fire burning in the middle of your living room floor.

Who you gonna call?

Knee jerk dummy.

the road, and the fire department are values to me.
can you explain to me the value in paying some welfare queen to sit on her backside all day eating taxpayer funded food while watching Springer on the welfare funded big screen while talking to her other welfare queen friends on the free obama phone?
I am curious how this helps me. Or if that's too tough,
tell me how it helps me to pay so much for my insurance now that I cant afford to go to a doctor, so that some unproductive individual can go for free at my expense.
Now, what happens when every one in the country decides to kick back, not work and just collect the free stuff,, who is going to pay for that?

AFDC no longer exists; TANF replaced it. Thus the Welfare Queens of yesteryear no longer exist.

Millions of people used the emergency room (ER) for routine health problems at an enormous cost to local taxpayers and a heavy burden for local governments. The PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid reforms, have ameliorated the burden on taxpayers and provided health care for many who didn't have it or could not purchase it because of on going health problems.

Why can't you afford health insurance? it could be you governor choose to opt out of the new health care law, or you simply didn't apply for the subsidy. In any event take the advice you would give to the apocryphal welfare queen and get off the internet and work harder to improve your life. It is all about you taking personal responsibility.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, they like socialist ideas, but have been made to think that socialism is evil by connecting it with USSR and nazi socialists.

Democratic Socialism is different and Bernie Sander's success points to this. Link below. Will he win? Probably not since the corporate controlled media only allows coverage for a corporate democrat or a corporate republican. Notice lately how much boner and mcconnel are in love with obama since he's pushing a TPP agenda that favors the ruling class?

According To Polls Most Americans Are Socialists Like Bernie Sanders

Why shouldn't they...??..That system promotes equality and generosity among people..!!
While it needs to be carefully blended with some aspects of capitalism, in order to generate progress by the more gifted among us, the basics of socialism, each according to his needs and his capabilities, is a prescription for basic human decency...

Socialism a prescription for mass starvation and dictatorship. The phrase "democratic socialism" is an oxymoron. Whenever socialists need a successful example of their policies, they always point at largely capitalist countries that ignore most of the polices socialists endorse.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Socialism has never worked....and never will

Still got that pesky extra "l" in you sig line...???

Still deflecting with childish BS? Name where socialism has ever worked. I won't wait....child

Go look out your window.

See that long straight thing where you drive your car?

Or, let's say you find a fire burning in the middle of your living room floor.

Who you gonna call?

Knee jerk dummy.

the road, and the fire department are values to me.
can you explain to me the value in paying some welfare queen to sit on her backside all day eating taxpayer funded food while watching Springer on the welfare funded big screen while talking to her other welfare queen friends on the free obama phone?
I am curious how this helps me. Or if that's too tough,
tell me how it helps me to pay so much for my insurance now that I cant afford to go to a doctor, so that some unproductive individual can go for free at my expense.
Now, what happens when every one in the country decides to kick back, not work and just collect the free stuff,, who is going to pay for that?

AFDC no longer exists; TANF replaced it. Thus the Welfare Queens of yesteryear no longer exist.

Millions of people used the emergency room (ER) for routine health problems at an enormous cost to local taxpayers and a heavy burden for local governments. The PPACA, Medicare and Medicaid reforms, have ameliorated the burden on taxpayers and provided health care for many who didn't have it or could not purchase it because of on going health problems.

Why can't you afford health insurance? it could be you governor choose to opt out of the new health care law, or you simply didn't apply for the subsidy. In any event take the advice you would give to the apocryphal welfare queen and get off the internet and work harder to improve your life. It is all about you taking personal responsibility.

Actually, I still have insurance through my employer. However, should that be removed and force me to go to the inferior ACA, My coverage would be less, and instead of 360 a month right now (4320 a year premium) and my 10 dollar copay with nothing out of pocket before it kicks in, I would go to 10,800 a year in premiums with a 12,400 out of pocket, so I would basically spend 23,200 a year for my coverage, while some bottom feeder pays 60 a month for better coverage than I can get.
This is nothing more than another redistribution of wealth.
And in Maryland even the illegals are able to get medical care, they should not. or at the very least their home country should pay the bill for their upkeep.

 

[Edgetho]

Why can't you afford health insurance? it could be you governor choose to opt out of the new health care law

This pisses me off. How can you be so ignorant? Seriously. How?

How would you like it if we were all sitting at the Bar and I sent you my tab (I drink Woodford reserve, BTW and my wife likes Dom...... A lot).

You wouldn't like that very much, would you?

Don't you think I should have cleared it with you first? Even if we're supposed to be buddies? Wouldn't it be nice if I talked to you about paying my $250 Bar Bill before I split out the door and stuck you with the tab?

Like this has never happened to you before? Maybe not the circumstances I'm playfully describing, but doesn't it kinda piss you off when you get committed to something you had no part in?

Like when the OL decides you have to drive her to her Mother's for no apparent good reason on Sunday in the middle of the Football Game?

Don't you think the Lying Cocksucker in Chief and the SCUMBAGS in the dimocrap party that forced this bill on America should have checked with the States they were forcing to participate first?

If not, you are one dishonest piece of shit.

But -- You're a dimocrap. What else can we expect.

And an OBTW..... I am ALL FOR the ACA. I'm just pissed that dimocraps fucked it up........ Like you do everything you touch.

Everything. Every.Fucking.Thing you touch turns to shit.

 

[Edgetho]

everything