Mother has kids kidnapped from her,she in return kills CPS agent.

[bodecea]

You mean CPS Nazis can use the power of the state and the threat of a gun but if someone fights back with stealth they're immoral? Maybe to a wicked state worshipper who believes the state can do whatever to whoever it wants, but not to me.

No. CPS can use the power of the law to protect children from parents like you who think they own their children and can do any disgusting thing they want with them. And if you resist violently, something you don't have the balls to do, they can use force.

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Sorry, but you have demonstrated that you are not fit to be a parent. Your neighbor was on to something about you. Why else would you try to intimidate her into silence with your violent acts. You have admitted here that you are a criminal. You think that violence is an appropriate reaction. God help your kids and your poor wife.

Of course, now, like the coward you are, you change your story. You did not kill her cat, it accidentally ingested poison you put out to kill opossums that were invading your mobile home park. And your story actually proves you wrong. No one took your kids. No one showed up at gunpoint and took your kids. They investigated and found no reason to do anything. Although, had they been made aware of your subsequent acts, they would have basis to remove them.

Funny how you defeat your own argument in a the same post. CPS absolved my wife and I of any wrongdoing, therefore I am a fit parent and the miserable hag neighbor, your protege, was not on to anything except she hates naturists and wants to hurt them.

You're done, troll.

So...where did this happen? What county? You don't have to give your name, but it would be interesting to let the local police know first about your bragging about killing a neighbor's cat in revenge and second, someone breaking confidentiality and letting you know who reported you....and what the report said. Your neighbor has a very good law suit in the making.
So...where do you live?

 

[paddymurphy]

No. CPS can use the power of the law to protect children from parents like you who think they own their children and can do any disgusting thing they want with them. And if you resist violently, something you don't have the balls to do, they can use force.

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Sorry, but you have demonstrated that you are not fit to be a parent. Your neighbor was on to something about you. Why else would you try to intimidate her into silence with your violent acts. You have admitted here that you are a criminal. You think that violence is an appropriate reaction. God help your kids and your poor wife.

Of course, now, like the coward you are, you change your story. You did not kill her cat, it accidentally ingested poison you put out to kill opossums that were invading your mobile home park. And your story actually proves you wrong. No one took your kids. No one showed up at gunpoint and took your kids. They investigated and found no reason to do anything. Although, had they been made aware of your subsequent acts, they would have basis to remove them.

Funny how you defeat your own argument in a the same post. CPS absolved my wife and I of any wrongdoing, therefore I am a fit parent and the miserable hag neighbor, your protege, was not on to anything except she hates naturists and wants to hurt them.

You're done, troll.

So...where did this happen? What county? You don't have to give your name, but it would be interesting to let the local police know first about your bragging about killing a neighbor's cat in revenge and second, someone breaking confidentiality and letting you know who reported you....and what the report said. Your neighbor has a very good law suit in the making.
So...where do you live?

Stmichaels castle:

 

[bodecea]

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Sorry, but you have demonstrated that you are not fit to be a parent. Your neighbor was on to something about you. Why else would you try to intimidate her into silence with your violent acts. You have admitted here that you are a criminal. You think that violence is an appropriate reaction. God help your kids and your poor wife.

Of course, now, like the coward you are, you change your story. You did not kill her cat, it accidentally ingested poison you put out to kill opossums that were invading your mobile home park. And your story actually proves you wrong. No one took your kids. No one showed up at gunpoint and took your kids. They investigated and found no reason to do anything. Although, had they been made aware of your subsequent acts, they would have basis to remove them.

Funny how you defeat your own argument in a the same post. CPS absolved my wife and I of any wrongdoing, therefore I am a fit parent and the miserable hag neighbor, your protege, was not on to anything except she hates naturists and wants to hurt them.

You're done, troll.

So...where did this happen? What county? You don't have to give your name, but it would be interesting to let the local police know first about your bragging about killing a neighbor's cat in revenge and second, someone breaking confidentiality and letting you know who reported you....and what the report said. Your neighbor has a very good law suit in the making.
So...where do you live?

Stmichaels castle:
View attachment 47272

No...all I need is the state and county.

 

[paddymurphy]

Have you been busy lately? Pomeranian beaten to death left on Fla. owner s porch cops - NY Daily News

Wonder what the owner of the Pom reported Stmichael for?

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Does it matter? What she told CPS is a lie, sensationalized because she didn't spprove of our parenting style and wanted to bring the big guns on us. That's the person you're defending, a predator of the likes that every neighborhood has, even yours. The fact is, we were doing nothing illegal, but we still had CPS at our door because of a miserable, rotten person who lives to hurt others.

So when her free ranging cat ate poison I put out to get rid of a nearby possum pod, I took full credit, not that she wasn't predisposed to believe I murdered her stupid cat to begin with. That's what actually happened, you judgmental prick, and this was already explained earlier.

Since slander seems to ride with every breath you exhale, perhaps you heartily approve of this wench and have done similar things yourself. I am otherwise at a loss to figure out why you side with evil.

Sorry, but you have demonstrated that you are not fit to be a parent. Your neighbor was on to something about you. Why else would you try to intimidate her into silence with your violent acts. You have admitted here that you are a criminal. You think that violence is an appropriate reaction. God help your kids and your poor wife.

Of course, now, like the coward you are, you change your story. You did not kill her cat, it accidentally ingested poison you put out to kill opossums that were invading your mobile home park. And your story actually proves you wrong. No one took your kids. No one showed up at gunpoint and took your kids. They investigated and found no reason to do anything. Although, had they been made aware of your subsequent acts, they would have basis to remove them.

Funny how you defeat your own argument in a the same post. CPS absolved my wife and I of any wrongdoing, therefore I am a fit parent and the miserable hag neighbor, your protege, was not on to anything except she hates naturists and wants to hurt them.

You're done, troll.

So...where did this happen? What county? You don't have to give your name, but it would be interesting to let the local police know first about your bragging about killing a neighbor's cat in revenge and second, someone breaking confidentiality and letting you know who reported you....and what the report said. Your neighbor has a very good law suit in the making.
So...where do you live?

Stmichaels castle:
View attachment 47272

No...all I need is the state and county.

Don't know the county, but the state is "deluded".

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

Murdering 3 people is awful, and even my view of a mother's right to defend her cubs does not include going after the family of the one who authored the threat. That was your assumption and an inexcusable one.

I'm going to use an analogy I'm positive a Leftist like you can understand. CPS "rescuing" children is like the United States "liberating" 3rd world countries. The good intention is mitigated by the results and what replaces the original condition is not much better, or sometimes worse.

And when "terrorists" attack our deployed forces, we can argue that they just want us gone so they can get back to oppressing their people. Sound familiar?

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

You have celebrated the murders of all four victims. The fact is that while there may be rare examples of overzealous child protection workers harming children by removing them without reason or foster parents harming the children in their care, this was not one of those cases. This woman was a lifelong criminal, addict and drunk. She has six kids removed from her care over the years. And they were not "sold" to anyone. They were raised by a series of foster parents, relatives and others over the years; care that taxpayers paid for. And even when there is a mistake, killing the person who made the mistake is not justified. The woman she killed started the process but a judge, after a full evidentiary hearing, made the decision to keep the children with relatives, where they were safe. Perhaps you are back on your meds now and that explains you backpedaling on killing the cat and celebrating murder, but there are several days worth of your sick, twisted posts here for everyone so see.

Life is too short for hate. You're on permanent ignore.

 

[bodecea]

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

Murdering 3 people is awful, and even my view of a mother's right to defend her cubs does not include going after the family of the one who authored the threat. That was your assumption and an inexcusable one.

I'm going to use an analogy I'm positive a Leftist like you can understand. CPS "rescuing" children is like the United States "liberating" 3rd world countries. The good intention is mitigated by the results and what replaces the original condition is not much better, or sometimes worse.

And when "terrorists" attack our deployed forces, we can argue that they just want us gone so they can get back to oppressing their people. Sound familiar?

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

You have celebrated the murders of all four victims. The fact is that while there may be rare examples of overzealous child protection workers harming children by removing them without reason or foster parents harming the children in their care, this was not one of those cases. This woman was a lifelong criminal, addict and drunk. She has six kids removed from her care over the years. And they were not "sold" to anyone. They were raised by a series of foster parents, relatives and others over the years; care that taxpayers paid for. And even when there is a mistake, killing the person who made the mistake is not justified. The woman she killed started the process but a judge, after a full evidentiary hearing, made the decision to keep the children with relatives, where they were safe. Perhaps you are back on your meds now and that explains you backpedaling on killing the cat and celebrating murder, but there are several days worth of your sick, twisted posts here for everyone so see.

Life is too short for hate. You're on permanent ignore.

So, what state and county did this happen in?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Perhaps you were in a coma for most of this thread and missed the fact that children are hardly safer in the care of CPS. They are at high risk for sexual abuse, exploitation in the sex slave trade, and even death. All mothers should start gunning down CPS thugs to save their children from a fate worse than death.

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

Your argument contains the typical fallacy of assuming that if CPS didn't exist, children would be unprotected. It's the typical Leftist argument that people can't survive without big government.

I was hoping you took debate class in high school, then my post would have made more sense to you. One rule that was drilled into us is that rarely is any position in a debate completely wrong, and if it has merit, then a skilled debater can argue it. This is elementary for lawyers, politicians, etc. You keep saying "cold blooded murder" as if you have no concept there might be another way to see it, especially when the state is exercising power to rip children out of the arms of their mother. Unable to see alternative viewpoints, you become louder and repetitive.

Arguing government infallibility is replete with moral ambiguities as you ignore the missing pieces, where your argument may be undone. We don't know why the court ordered the removal of the child, we do know that although this mother has a record of being in and out of trouble and was no stranger to CPS, this time she was driven to kill. Why not the first time? Or the second? This time the wresting of her daughter piqued her sense of justice like never before.

So, skilled debater that I am, I took her point of view and gave her the benefit of the doubt few others would and see how this thread took off! You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. See my signature? I'm actually very pro life and don't want anyone to die for any reason, but I love to push buttons and manipulate people without them knowing. I could never intentionally kill a cat, but look at how many posts were generated because people thought I did.

BTW, I hope you pay close attention to the news in the coming months because what I did here, the media is going to do to Donald Trump. He has a big mouth and a little brain and he's going to be their toy. Megan Kelly fired the first salvo. It's going to be very entertaining.

 

[paddymurphy]

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

Murdering 3 people is awful, and even my view of a mother's right to defend her cubs does not include going after the family of the one who authored the threat. That was your assumption and an inexcusable one.

I'm going to use an analogy I'm positive a Leftist like you can understand. CPS "rescuing" children is like the United States "liberating" 3rd world countries. The good intention is mitigated by the results and what replaces the original condition is not much better, or sometimes worse.

And when "terrorists" attack our deployed forces, we can argue that they just want us gone so they can get back to oppressing their people. Sound familiar?

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

You have celebrated the murders of all four victims. The fact is that while there may be rare examples of overzealous child protection workers harming children by removing them without reason or foster parents harming the children in their care, this was not one of those cases. This woman was a lifelong criminal, addict and drunk. She has six kids removed from her care over the years. And they were not "sold" to anyone. They were raised by a series of foster parents, relatives and others over the years; care that taxpayers paid for. And even when there is a mistake, killing the person who made the mistake is not justified. The woman she killed started the process but a judge, after a full evidentiary hearing, made the decision to keep the children with relatives, where they were safe. Perhaps you are back on your meds now and that explains you backpedaling on killing the cat and celebrating murder, but there are several days worth of your sick, twisted posts here for everyone so see.

Life is too short for hate. You're on permanent ignore.

Can anything be more hateful than cheering the cold blooded murder of four innocent people; people who did nothing more than try to protect a child?

 

[Syriusly]

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

Your argument contains the typical fallacy of assuming that if CPS didn't exist, children would be unprotected. It's the typical Leftist argument that people can't survive without big government..

As I pointed out- CPS did not spring into existence in a vaccuum.

Child Protective Services came into being as a mechanism for society to protect children- often from their own parents.

Even with the existence of CPS, parents are still killing and abusing their kids.

Mother boyfriend charged in death of toddler News - Home
Houston police say Henderson admitted to hitting the boy repeatedly with a belt on Friday and on numerous other occasions.

Authorities say their preliminary examination revealed that the boy had extensive internal injuries inflicted over a period of time. An autopsy has been scheduled to determine the official cause of death.

Children are being abused and murdered by their parents, and guardians- and yes I think that the government has a place in protecting children.

You apparently don't.

But you do seem determined to try to make this case about Child Protective Services- and to avoid addressing the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

Maybe that is something you learned in your high school debate club- how to try to change the subject when you can't defend your actual position?

Here is my post- you didn't respond to my post- you danced around it.

I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Like I said. Louder and repetitive.

 

[paddymurphy]

Including the mom's who are burning their own kids with cigarettes or selling their own children for sex?

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

Your argument contains the typical fallacy of assuming that if CPS didn't exist, children would be unprotected. It's the typical Leftist argument that people can't survive without big government.

I was hoping you took debate class in high school, then my post would have made more sense to you. One rule that was drilled into us is that rarely is any position in a debate completely wrong, and if it has merit, then a skilled debater can argue it. This is elementary for lawyers, politicians, etc. You keep saying "cold blooded murder" as if you have no concept there might be another way to see it, especially when the state is exercising power to rip children out of the arms of their mother. Unable to see alternative viewpoints, you become louder and repetitive.

Arguing government infallibility is replete with moral ambiguities as you ignore the missing pieces, where your argument may be undone. We don't know why the court ordered the removal of the child, we do know that although this mother has a record of being in and out of trouble and was no stranger to CPS, this time she was driven to kill. Why not the first time? Or the second? This time the wresting of her daughter piqued her sense of justice like never before.

So, skilled debater that I am, I took her point of view and gave her the benefit of the doubt few others would and see how this thread took off! You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. See my signature? I'm actually very pro life and don't want anyone to die for any reason, but I love to push buttons and manipulate people without them knowing. I could never intentionally kill a cat, but look at how many posts were generated because people thought I did.

BTW, I hope you pay close attention to the news in the coming months because what I did here, the media is going to do to Donald Trump. He has a big mouth and a little brain and he's going to be their toy. Megan Kelly fired the first salvo. It's going to be very entertaining.

Skilled debater? More like sociopathic liar.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Pushed a button, did I? Here I was hoping you would see the challenge and rise to it.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Somehow you're hopelessly wedded to the idiocy that parents abusing their children excuses CPS and their own jacket of crimes against children.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

By the way, since you were so pointed in another thread that was deleted that everyone should follow the rules, it begs to be mentioned that you just made a whopper of a violation by divulging the contents of a PM without my consent.

I won't report it. That's called grace. Learn to have some yourself.

 

[Syriusly]

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Pushed a button, did I? Here I was hoping you would see the challenge and rise to it.

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

Mod edit: Syriusly Discussing the contents of PMs without the other party's consent is against the rules.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

 

[Syriusly]

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

By the way, since you were so pointed in another thread that was deleted that everyone should follow the rules, it begs to be mentioned that you just made a whopper of a violation by divulging the contents of a PM without my consent.

I won't report it. That's called grace. Learn to have some yourself.

Report away.

Please just don't kill any cats because I broke a USMB rule.

 

[paddymurphy]

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Pushed a button, did I? Here I was hoping you would see the challenge and rise to it.

Somehow you're hopelessly convinced that all CPS workers want to abuse children.

No child deserves to be abused. CPS was established to protect children who were/are being abused.

Have their been abuses within the various Child Protection Services- and the associated foster care system? Sure- and I absolutely support both the criminal prosecution of those who have criminally abused their charges, and also I support whatever corrections are necessary to better protect the children.

But this case is not about any known abuse by CPS. By all indications this woman has a history of criminal activity, has a history of her own family being concerned about the safety of her children, and her kids were removed under court order- not by independent actions of any CPS agent.

And then this woman went out and murdered her aunt, her two cousins and a mother of two kids.

As far as I am concerned her actions clearly demonstrate that the CPS acted properly- that this woman ultimately demonstrated her propensity to kill. The CPS may have saved her kids lives.

And regardless of what you think about Child Protective Services- nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of 4 people.

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

By the way, since you were so pointed in another thread that was deleted that everyone should follow the rules, it begs to be mentioned that you just made a whopper of a violation by divulging the contents of a PM without my consent.

I won't report it. That's called grace. Learn to have some yourself.

What does a cat killing, child endangering, murderer supporting asshole like you know about grace?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Pushed a button, did I? Here I was hoping you would see the challenge and rise to it.

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Are you goading me into reporting you? You're hypocrisy in telling others to obey the USMB rules while you violate them yourself is what I was pointing out. A simple apology would have sufficed.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So instead of the mighty good vs evil, we end up with conflicting points of view, each party intransigent, each side entrenched. But I'm not so entrenched that I can't see your point of view, but can you see mine?

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

By the way, since you were so pointed in another thread that was deleted that everyone should follow the rules, it begs to be mentioned that you just made a whopper of a violation by divulging the contents of a PM without my consent.

I won't report it. That's called grace. Learn to have some yourself.

Report away.

Please just don't kill any cats because I broke a USMB rule.

You got it.

 

[paddymurphy]

No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Pushed a button, did I? Here I was hoping you would see the challenge and rise to it.

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

Are you goading me into reporting you? You're hypocrisy in telling others to obey the USMB rules while you violate them yourself is what I was pointing out. A simple apology would have sufficed.

Didn't you just tell him you would not report him for this because of your "grace"? How about you apologize to everyone who has visited this thread for your hateful cheering on of the murder of four innocent human beings who died because they tried to help protect a child? Or for bragging about your animal cruelty and your criminal conduct in trying retaliate or intimidate a person who reported you to child welfare authorities? Gonna apologize for that?

 

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No not really- I can't understand any rational for the cold blooded murder of 4 women- including a mother of two kids- because one of them happens to be a CPS worker.

There is no indication that the CPS in this case did anything incorrectly. This is a woman who had repeated problems with the police and with child protective services. She was a substance abuser- and had recently been busted for a DUI. She was known for threatening people. And she ended up acting on those threats.

To me, your rationalizations are just like the rationalizations we hear terrorist groups making for why they are justified in setting off a car bomb in a crowded market square.

You want to argue that child protective services should be reformed- make that argument and we can have a discussion. You want to argue that all child protective services should be disbanded- which you appear to be arguing- then I will argue against leaving kids unprotected from abusive parents.

But when you applaud the cold blooded murder of even a single person- someone who have no knowledge that has done anything legally or morally wrong- then there is no basis for an argument- because I will always condemn that cold blooded murder- and I will always condemn those who applaud cold blooded murder.

You see, USMB is a sport to me where I play lesser minds like a skilled violinist. .

You are merely a cat killing asshole who applauds murderers.

You have a hard on about CPS and are willing to applaud murder as long as one of the people murdered is a mom with two kids who works for CPS.

You have alternately threatened to take your toys and ignore everyone who you didn't think was treating your posts fairly and then reached out to me privately to tell me that you took me off ignore.

There are times when you post like a morally responsible person- I have yet to see any evidence of that in this thread.

By the way, since you were so pointed in another thread that was deleted that everyone should follow the rules, it begs to be mentioned that you just made a whopper of a violation by divulging the contents of a PM without my consent.

I won't report it. That's called grace. Learn to have some yourself.

Report away.

Please just don't kill any cats because I broke a USMB rule.

You got it.

So...what state and county did your issue with CPS happen in?