Muhammad becomes first Muslim American to represent the US Olympic Team wearing a hijab

or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.
Basically every college and university in the country has a fencing team complete with scholarships. Plus there are fencing clubs and places where anyone can start taking lessons at age 8.

I just googled, and there is a fencing school 20 minutes from my house.

So yes, there are 10's of thousands of high schooler's and university students with Olympic fencing dreams. Fighting for a spot on the team. ...... :cool:

why dont you research what it costs to be fencer. That number will go down sharply
 
Athletes make all sorts of comments for causes or political positions
Deflection and it's becoming something you are noted for. When you can stay on it let me know, until then have a good one.

If you don't like the answer...cry deflection! :lol:

It's a suitable answer to a claim that she "invited it" by doing nothing more then not hiding herself.

Wooosh.....hands you a truckload of katyushas and your Islam appeasement is once again noted.

Translation: Muslims know their place and not be visable.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. It will never work, trust me. If she didn't want blowback she should have kept her mouth shut, went to compete and left the BS out of it. You see any other athletes down their running their pieholes? Nope....they went to compete and rep the USA.

Ya...she should just shut up. Like all people trying to bring about change in attitudes and perceptions or stereotypes.

Never mind about about the shutting up.

I demand that everyone stop making comments for about 10 minutes, I'm only on page 7 and there's 4 more pages I need to check, I'm behind enough as it is, I need time to catch up :eusa_doh:
 
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Don't see what's so bad about her credentials.
1. she is 30 years old and still has a weak Bio.
2. the rest of the bios are filled with actual world rankings
3. the only other one with a thin bio is the 22 year old who is in first olympics.
You are starting to come across as a rather dim whited fellow. ...... :cuckoo:

Coveted slots for the Olympic team, regardless of sport, is based on intense competition not favoritism. ..... :cool:

or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.

You really want to run her down don't you?


Run her down? Not at all, but the fact she is being championed as some great thing over her other teammates who actually have accomplishments in fencing is a bother.

She should have the courage to tell everyone to shut up about her oppressive garment and focus on the team. .


Maybe Tim Tebow should've done that instead of standing up for his faith.

Tebow always spoke about the team first.
 
Athletes make all sorts of comments for causes or political positions
If you don't like the answer...cry deflection! :lol:

It's a suitable answer to a claim that she "invited it" by doing nothing more then not hiding herself.

Wooosh.....hands you a truckload of katyushas and your Islam appeasement is once again noted.

Translation: Muslims know their place and not be visable.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. It will never work, trust me. If she didn't want blowback she should have kept her mouth shut, went to compete and left the BS out of it. You see any other athletes down their running their pieholes? Nope....they went to compete and rep the USA.

Ya...she should just shut up. Like all people trying to bring about change in attitudes and perceptions or stereotypes.

Never mind about about the shutting up.

I demand that everyone stop making comments for about 10 minutes, I'm only on page 7 and there's 4 more pages I need to check, I'm behind enough as it is, I need time to catch up :eusa_doh:

ehhhh....just jump to the last page :cool:
 
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You are starting to come across as a rather dim whited fellow. ...... :cuckoo:

Coveted slots for the Olympic team, regardless of sport, is based on intense competition not favoritism. ..... :cool:

or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.

You really want to run her down don't you?


Run her down? Not at all, but the fact she is being championed as some great thing over her other teammates who actually have accomplishments in fencing is a bother.

She should have the courage to tell everyone to shut up about her oppressive garment and focus on the team. .


Maybe Tim Tebow should've done that instead of standing up for his faith.

Tebow always spoke about the team first.

Who is Tebow?
 
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You are starting to come across as a rather dim whited fellow. ...... :cuckoo:

Coveted slots for the Olympic team, regardless of sport, is based on intense competition not favoritism. ..... :cool:

or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.

You really want to run her down don't you?


Run her down? Not at all, but the fact she is being championed as some great thing over her other teammates who actually have accomplishments in fencing is a bother.

She should have the courage to tell everyone to shut up about her oppressive garment and focus on the team. .


Maybe Tim Tebow should've done that instead of standing up for his faith.

Tebow always spoke about the team first.

So does she - she has said multiple times how proud she is to be on the team representing the US.
 
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or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.

You really want to run her down don't you?


Run her down? Not at all, but the fact she is being championed as some great thing over her other teammates who actually have accomplishments in fencing is a bother.

She should have the courage to tell everyone to shut up about her oppressive garment and focus on the team. .


Maybe Tim Tebow should've done that instead of standing up for his faith.

Tebow always spoke about the team first.

Who is Tebow?

Tim Tebow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
why dont you research what it costs to be fencer. That number will go down sharply
And yet, all of the top universities have fencing teams full of Olympic hopeful's. ...... :cool:

Fencing and the college advantage

Having fencing listed as an interest on your child’s college application could “make the difference between going to a ‘good’ college or university and a ‘great’ college or university.”Fencing gives that extra advantage when applying to higher education. Of course academia is important, but fencing gives the impression that the student is well-rounded on a whole additional level than most sports.

Often referred to as “physical chess,” fencing is one of the few sports that exhibits a combination of physical prowess, mental acuity, and strategic thinking – and colleges eat this up.

For example, Columbia University welcomes fencers with open arms by stating on their website that … “Good colleges are looking for good students who will contribute to their college. Each year, some straight A students with 1600 SAT’s are rejected by colleges (don’t worry, they get in someplace) because they have little to offer; they simply regurgitate information … they have no creative spirit. The fencer is unique. The fencer brings experiences that enrich the college, just as an accomplished poet or violinist do. This is the type of person the Admissions Directors like to have represented in their stacks of applicants. Being a fencer is a distinct advantage for the college applicant.”

Duke University recently accepted 17 new student athletes for their fencing team. As head coach, Alex Beguinet, states: “This has been an especially difficult year for students seeking admission to Duke, and we are very proud to call all of these incoming fencers Blue Devils [team name]. "Many don’t know that fencing is an NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic Association) sport.

Fencing has a strong presence in the NCAA — more than 30 top tier colleges in the United States have an NCAA fencing team, as well as 100 other colleges. Schools compete against each often, so colleges need good fencers to fill their ranks. This can give the competitive edge your child needs to gain acceptance into a top level university.

Fencing and the college advantage - Academy of Fencing Masters Blog


 
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or maybe they needed to fill the last spot on the team and since there wasnt a deep bench they went with someone who the media would trump up.

You really want to run her down don't you?


Run her down? Not at all, but the fact she is being championed as some great thing over her other teammates who actually have accomplishments in fencing is a bother.

She should have the courage to tell everyone to shut up about her oppressive garment and focus on the team. .


Maybe Tim Tebow should've done that instead of standing up for his faith.

Tebow always spoke about the team first.

So does she - she has said multiple times how proud she is to be on the team representing the US.

This illustrates that I've got everyone under some sort of control, I asked everyone to stop posting in this thread for 10 minutes, and nobody has posted for 19 minutes....except me now.

It's good to know, the order was issued and obeyed, so I congratulate everyone, it was pointless not to obey, because you know:

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Sunni Man's prediction:

10's of thousands of American muslim girls will be inspired by Ibtihaj Muhammad's personal journey into competitive fencing and place on the Olympic team.

I predict that in the future we will see more and more young muslim women wearing hijab entering the sport with the hope of landing a spot on the U.S.A. team.
In fact, I believe you will see muslim girls embracing the sport in many countries; with dreams of a place on their respective teams while wearing hijab.

Which will eventually culminate with a hijabi muslim woman winning the Olympic gold medal in fencing.

Don't forget, you heard it here first. ...... :cool:
 
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It's amazing, googling this athlete, what crap is being said about her by Frontpage Mag, Pam Gellar, Debbie Schlusal, and all the other predictable rags.

So it's "anti-semitic" to be critical of Israel's policies? She's said "vile" things about her country because she's been critical of justice system?

Can't folks simply be pleased that she's an American representing our country in the Olympics without shredding her?

Why is every article about her all about that she's wearing a Hijab, don't you think this strange?

There's minimal about her Fencing ability, it's all about the Hijab.

Blame the media - they're the ones blowing it up.


and you are one of those sucking it up

slurp slurp
 
She's the only one for whom this is her first Olympics..."Muhammad won bronze medals in two of the first three world cup events this season"

Don't see what's so bad about her credentials.

1. she is 30 years old and still has a weak Bio.

2. the rest of the bios are filled with actual world rankings

3. the only other one with a thin bio is the 22 year old who is in first olympics.

This is her first Olympics. Are you suggesting age is a factor over athletic ability?


Yes Look at her peers. When it takes you until age 30 to make the games you arent good enough.

Now Lets compare the 30 year old Muhammed to her teammate 21 year old Kiefer. You would think that the 30 year old would have a larger accomplishments.

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Kiefer, a three-time NCAA foil champion, will be appearing in the Olympics for the second time after finishing fifth in the individual foil competition at the 2012 Games (London).

Keifer is currently ranked No. 1 among U.S. fencers (women’s foil) and will head to Rio ranked third in the world. With a wealth of international experience, she became just the second U.S. women’s foil fencer to earn a medal at the Senior World Championships when she captured the bronze in 2011. In 2015, she became the first athlete to win seven consecutive individual titles at the Pan American Championships.

In three seasons at Notre Dame, Kiefer has posted back-to-back-to-back NCAA Championships (2013-15) and earned first team All-American honors in each of those three seasons. As a junior (2015), she was named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American.
HONORS AND AWARDS
  • Junior World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • Cadet World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • North American Cup Gold Medalist (2012)
  • 2012, 2016 Olympic Games Participant (United States)
  • Women's Team Foil Sixth-Place Finisher (2012 Olympics)
  • First Team Capital One Academic All-American (2015)
  • ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foilist of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foil Champion (2015)
  • ACC Women's Team Champion (2015)
  • Midwest Fencing Conference Champion (2013, 2014)
  • First Team All-MFC (2013, 2014)
  • NCAA Foil Champion (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • First Team All-American (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • Pan American Championships Senior Women's Foil Gold Medalist (2009-16)
INTERNATIONAL RESULTS: Finished in ninth place at the Gdansk Grand Prix in February of 2013 ... went on to improve to seventh place at the St. Petersburg World Cup the following week ... finished in sixth place at the Marseill Grand Prix event, before cracking the top three in individual competition at the Junior World Championships ... was a member of the second-place silver medal women's foil team at the Junior World Championships ... claimed both the team and individual gold medal at the Pan American Championships ... was ranked in 2013 as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year ... ranked as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year.

AS A JUNIOR: Won NCAA Women's Foil title for third consecutive year and had a monstrous season, winning 51 bouts, merely dropping six ... was a crucial player in helping the women's team capture the first ever ACC Women's Team Championship trophy, also became the first ACC Women's Foil Champion ... named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year, and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American ... went 11-4 at the Ohio State Elite Cup, 11-1 at St. John's, 11-2 at NYU and 9-0 at Northwestern ... in Columbus, earned two losses to Pennsylvania but blanked Cassidy Seidl 5-0 ... beat all three North Carolina foes (Gabrielle D'Astoli 5-2, Amanda Lalezarian 5-0, Wynton Wong 5-1) ... lost 5-3 to Sharon Gao of Princeton, but beat her Tigers teammates Ashley Tsue 5-2 and Ambika Singh 5-3 ... blanked Kane Gladnick and D. Ortega-Ferguson of Penn State, beating Clarisse Luminet 5-1 ... finished 1-1 against host Ohio State, losing 5-3 to Alanna Goldie and winning 5-3 versus Mai Shaito ... at St. John's, lost first bout 5-4 to Ohio State's Eleanor Harvey, but went on to win every other bout throughout the day ... at NYU, beat Yale's Meghan Murphy 5-1 and Rae Na Lee 5-0 ... out-dueled Sara Taffell of Columbia 5-2, but suffered two losses to her teammates Nzingha Prescod (5-3) and Margaret Lu (5-4) ... beat all three Northwestern foes, Jennifer Yamin (5-0), Kalia Budofsky (5-1) and Stephanie Chan (5-4) ... out-dueled St. John's Irene Spezzamonte (5-0), Jackie Mazzone (5-0( and Marta Hausman (5-0) then finished the day with wins against Audra Fox (5-1) and Yasmeen Omer (5-0) of NYU ... at Northwestern, went undefeated against Princeton (Singh, 5-1, Gao 5-1, Tsue 5-0), Pennsylvania (Wang 5-0, Seidle 5-2, Parmacek 5-0) and Northwestern (Chan 5-1 and Yamin, 5-1) in addition to beating Becca Stanford of Temple 5-4 ... at ACC Championship, posted perfect 15-0 record in pool play to advance into semfinals of women's foil competition ... beat teammates Sarah Followill 15-5 in the semis, and Nicole McKee 15-4 in the title bout ... earned the No. 1 automatic qualifying seed at NCAA Midwest Regional with a perfect 16-0 record ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 21-2 record and earned No. 1 seed, losing only to Goldie (Ohio State) 5-1 and Luminet (Penn State) 5-3 ... beat Hausman (St. John's) 15-7 in semifinal bout and faced Lu (Columbia) in the title bout, winning 15-13 ... earned a monogram.

AS A SOPHOMORE: Repeated as NCAA Women's Foil Champion and earned First Team All-American honors in the process ... competed sparingly with the Irish, balancing international competitions with NCAA events ... earned 9-2 record at the NYU invitational and followed with 10-1 mark the next day at St. John's, earning a 19-3 record for the year ... at NYU, beat Yale's Jin Ai Yap (5-0), Lauren Miller (5-2) and Megan Murphy (5-1) ... earned two wins against Columbia's Margaret Lu (5-4) and Jackie Dubrovich (5-2), narrowly losing to Nzingha Prescod 4-3 ... out-touched Jennifer Yamin of Northwestern, 5-3 ... bested Melissa Corona (5-0), Irene Spezzamonte (5-4) and Marta Hausman (5-3) of St. John's ... won 5-2 against Tiffany Liu of NYU ... finished the day with two wins against Ohio State (Mona Shaito 5-2, Eleanor Harvey 2-1) and lost, 5-3, to Alanna Goldie ... at St. John's, beat Harvey (5-1) Goldie (5-2) and Shaito (5-1) to start out strong in the Taffner Field House ... earned two victories against Kane Gladnick (5-4) and Alina Antokhina (5-4) of Penn State ... bested Harvard's Liana Yamin and Hali Nelson 5-1 ... again beat Corona (St. John's) 5-3 ... lone loss of the tournament came versus Prescod, who beat her 5-4 ... finished the tournament with a pair of 5-3 wins against Prescod's teammates Lu and Dubrovich ... fenced in the team's final Midwest Fencing Conference Championship, winning women's foil title and helping the women's team finish second ... at NCAA Midwest Regional, earned the No. 1 seed and won the women's foil bracket, beating teammate Madison Zeiss 15-7 in the semifinal and out-dueling Mona Shaito of Ohio State 15-9 in the final bout ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 19-4 record and earned the No. 1 seed .. in the semifinals beat Ohio State's Goldie 15-11 and squared off with Zeiss in the title bout ... beat Zeiss 13-10 to claim second title ... earned a monogram.

AS A FRESHMAN: Was crowned the 2013 NCAA Women's Foil Champion, earning First Team All-American accolades in her first season with the Irish ... was one of the most successful foilists with a 32-6 mark ... posted matching 9-3 records at the St. John's and NYU Invitationals ... was undefeated at Duke and Notre Dame Duals ... started career with the Irish by winning two bouts, 5-2, against Ohio State ... narrowly won third bout 5-4 against Mona Shaito ... was 2-1 against Penn State, blanking Alina Antokhina 5-0 ... narrowly lost to defending NCAA Champion Evgeniya Kirpicheva of St. John's 5-4 ... finished the day with a 5-2 win over Columbia's Nzingha Prescod ... against Yale, posted a set of 5-2 wins and a 5-0 routing of Jin Ay Yap ... struggled against Columbia but regrouped and blanked Northwestern 3-0 ... facing off for the second time in as many days, lost 5-3 to Kirpicheva at the Coles Sports Center ... In Durham only allowed her opponents five touches in total throughout the day ... won a duet of matches against North Carolina 5-0 to finish the trip ... at the Notre Dame Duals earned several lopsided wins over MFC opponents ... at NCAA Midwest Regional finished 18-1 with a +65 indicator, good for first place, losing only to familiar Buckeye foe Mona Shaito 5-3 ... in San Antonio, finished first day of competition 14-1, losing only to older sister Alexandria of Harvard, 5-4 ... the loss, her second bout of the day, was the only one across two days of round-robin play ... advancing into the semifinals, bested Mona Shaito 15-5 to move into the finals ... squaring off against Jackie Dubrovich of Columbia, quickly went up in score and never looked back, decisively winning the title with a score of 15-8.

PREP & PERSONAL: Graduated from Paul Laurence Dunbar High School ... was a member of the French Honors Society and the Beta Club ... named an AP Scholar with Distinction ... daughter of Steven and Teresa Kiefer ... has one sister, Alex, and one brother, Axel ... father, Steven, was a team captain for the men's fencing team at Duke University ... sister, Alex, fenced at Harvard University, while brother, Axel, completed his rookie season at Notre Dame in 2015-16 as a first-team All-American and ACC Men's Foilist of the Year ... enrolled in the college of science, majoring in science pre-professional studies.

Kiefer's Career Record

Year W L Pct. NCAA Finish
2012-13 32 6 .842 1st
2013-14 19 3 .864 1st
2014-15 51 6 .895 1st
Career 103 17 .858 1st-


Now Muhammed's

2005: Finished 11th in saber at the NCAA Championships to earn All-America honors for the second straight season ... Junior Olympic National Champion ... posted a 38-4 record on the season to lead the saber team to an 11-3 record ... advanced to the NCAA Championships with a second place finish at the Mid-Atlantic South Regional Championships ... finished the season ranked 15th nationally among Senior Women’s Saber.

2004: Earned All-America honors as a freshman, placing ninth in saber at the NCAA Championships ... posted a record of 49-8 ... finished second at the Mid-Atlantic/South Regional and 21st at the Junior Olympics.

Prep: Two year captain of the Columbia High School fencing team ... helped the team to two state championships ... also led her team to the Santelli Tournament championship ... finished fifth in the Division IA summer nationals ... placed 12th in the 2003 U-19 summer nationals ... led the saber team to a third place finish in the 2003 Division I summer nationals ... the Mid Atlantic Division IA section champion ... also competed in volleyball.

PERSONAL: Born December 4, 1985 ... daughter of Eugene and Denise Muhammad ... majoring in International Comparitive Studies and African and American Studies ... Muslim Student Association Cabinet Member ... participates in the African American mentoring program.


I'm not sure why this matters - she was obviously skilled enough to make it onto the team, not an alternate even.


yes she made the team. But shouldnt we be hearing about the actual good players?

I am pretty sure this is the first time you have of Lee Kiefer. And she is phenominal
 
She's the only one for whom this is her first Olympics..."Muhammad won bronze medals in two of the first three world cup events this season"

Don't see what's so bad about her credentials.

1. she is 30 years old and still has a weak Bio.

2. the rest of the bios are filled with actual world rankings

3. the only other one with a thin bio is the 22 year old who is in first olympics.

This is her first Olympics. Are you suggesting age is a factor over athletic ability?


Yes Look at her peers. When it takes you until age 30 to make the games you arent good enough.

Now Lets compare the 30 year old Muhammed to her teammate 21 year old Kiefer. You would think that the 30 year old would have a larger accomplishments.

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Kiefer, a three-time NCAA foil champion, will be appearing in the Olympics for the second time after finishing fifth in the individual foil competition at the 2012 Games (London).

Keifer is currently ranked No. 1 among U.S. fencers (women’s foil) and will head to Rio ranked third in the world. With a wealth of international experience, she became just the second U.S. women’s foil fencer to earn a medal at the Senior World Championships when she captured the bronze in 2011. In 2015, she became the first athlete to win seven consecutive individual titles at the Pan American Championships.

In three seasons at Notre Dame, Kiefer has posted back-to-back-to-back NCAA Championships (2013-15) and earned first team All-American honors in each of those three seasons. As a junior (2015), she was named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American.
HONORS AND AWARDS
  • Junior World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • Cadet World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • North American Cup Gold Medalist (2012)
  • 2012, 2016 Olympic Games Participant (United States)
  • Women's Team Foil Sixth-Place Finisher (2012 Olympics)
  • First Team Capital One Academic All-American (2015)
  • ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foilist of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foil Champion (2015)
  • ACC Women's Team Champion (2015)
  • Midwest Fencing Conference Champion (2013, 2014)
  • First Team All-MFC (2013, 2014)
  • NCAA Foil Champion (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • First Team All-American (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • Pan American Championships Senior Women's Foil Gold Medalist (2009-16)
INTERNATIONAL RESULTS: Finished in ninth place at the Gdansk Grand Prix in February of 2013 ... went on to improve to seventh place at the St. Petersburg World Cup the following week ... finished in sixth place at the Marseill Grand Prix event, before cracking the top three in individual competition at the Junior World Championships ... was a member of the second-place silver medal women's foil team at the Junior World Championships ... claimed both the team and individual gold medal at the Pan American Championships ... was ranked in 2013 as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year ... ranked as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year.

AS A JUNIOR: Won NCAA Women's Foil title for third consecutive year and had a monstrous season, winning 51 bouts, merely dropping six ... was a crucial player in helping the women's team capture the first ever ACC Women's Team Championship trophy, also became the first ACC Women's Foil Champion ... named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year, and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American ... went 11-4 at the Ohio State Elite Cup, 11-1 at St. John's, 11-2 at NYU and 9-0 at Northwestern ... in Columbus, earned two losses to Pennsylvania but blanked Cassidy Seidl 5-0 ... beat all three North Carolina foes (Gabrielle D'Astoli 5-2, Amanda Lalezarian 5-0, Wynton Wong 5-1) ... lost 5-3 to Sharon Gao of Princeton, but beat her Tigers teammates Ashley Tsue 5-2 and Ambika Singh 5-3 ... blanked Kane Gladnick and D. Ortega-Ferguson of Penn State, beating Clarisse Luminet 5-1 ... finished 1-1 against host Ohio State, losing 5-3 to Alanna Goldie and winning 5-3 versus Mai Shaito ... at St. John's, lost first bout 5-4 to Ohio State's Eleanor Harvey, but went on to win every other bout throughout the day ... at NYU, beat Yale's Meghan Murphy 5-1 and Rae Na Lee 5-0 ... out-dueled Sara Taffell of Columbia 5-2, but suffered two losses to her teammates Nzingha Prescod (5-3) and Margaret Lu (5-4) ... beat all three Northwestern foes, Jennifer Yamin (5-0), Kalia Budofsky (5-1) and Stephanie Chan (5-4) ... out-dueled St. John's Irene Spezzamonte (5-0), Jackie Mazzone (5-0( and Marta Hausman (5-0) then finished the day with wins against Audra Fox (5-1) and Yasmeen Omer (5-0) of NYU ... at Northwestern, went undefeated against Princeton (Singh, 5-1, Gao 5-1, Tsue 5-0), Pennsylvania (Wang 5-0, Seidle 5-2, Parmacek 5-0) and Northwestern (Chan 5-1 and Yamin, 5-1) in addition to beating Becca Stanford of Temple 5-4 ... at ACC Championship, posted perfect 15-0 record in pool play to advance into semfinals of women's foil competition ... beat teammates Sarah Followill 15-5 in the semis, and Nicole McKee 15-4 in the title bout ... earned the No. 1 automatic qualifying seed at NCAA Midwest Regional with a perfect 16-0 record ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 21-2 record and earned No. 1 seed, losing only to Goldie (Ohio State) 5-1 and Luminet (Penn State) 5-3 ... beat Hausman (St. John's) 15-7 in semifinal bout and faced Lu (Columbia) in the title bout, winning 15-13 ... earned a monogram.

AS A SOPHOMORE: Repeated as NCAA Women's Foil Champion and earned First Team All-American honors in the process ... competed sparingly with the Irish, balancing international competitions with NCAA events ... earned 9-2 record at the NYU invitational and followed with 10-1 mark the next day at St. John's, earning a 19-3 record for the year ... at NYU, beat Yale's Jin Ai Yap (5-0), Lauren Miller (5-2) and Megan Murphy (5-1) ... earned two wins against Columbia's Margaret Lu (5-4) and Jackie Dubrovich (5-2), narrowly losing to Nzingha Prescod 4-3 ... out-touched Jennifer Yamin of Northwestern, 5-3 ... bested Melissa Corona (5-0), Irene Spezzamonte (5-4) and Marta Hausman (5-3) of St. John's ... won 5-2 against Tiffany Liu of NYU ... finished the day with two wins against Ohio State (Mona Shaito 5-2, Eleanor Harvey 2-1) and lost, 5-3, to Alanna Goldie ... at St. John's, beat Harvey (5-1) Goldie (5-2) and Shaito (5-1) to start out strong in the Taffner Field House ... earned two victories against Kane Gladnick (5-4) and Alina Antokhina (5-4) of Penn State ... bested Harvard's Liana Yamin and Hali Nelson 5-1 ... again beat Corona (St. John's) 5-3 ... lone loss of the tournament came versus Prescod, who beat her 5-4 ... finished the tournament with a pair of 5-3 wins against Prescod's teammates Lu and Dubrovich ... fenced in the team's final Midwest Fencing Conference Championship, winning women's foil title and helping the women's team finish second ... at NCAA Midwest Regional, earned the No. 1 seed and won the women's foil bracket, beating teammate Madison Zeiss 15-7 in the semifinal and out-dueling Mona Shaito of Ohio State 15-9 in the final bout ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 19-4 record and earned the No. 1 seed .. in the semifinals beat Ohio State's Goldie 15-11 and squared off with Zeiss in the title bout ... beat Zeiss 13-10 to claim second title ... earned a monogram.

AS A FRESHMAN: Was crowned the 2013 NCAA Women's Foil Champion, earning First Team All-American accolades in her first season with the Irish ... was one of the most successful foilists with a 32-6 mark ... posted matching 9-3 records at the St. John's and NYU Invitationals ... was undefeated at Duke and Notre Dame Duals ... started career with the Irish by winning two bouts, 5-2, against Ohio State ... narrowly won third bout 5-4 against Mona Shaito ... was 2-1 against Penn State, blanking Alina Antokhina 5-0 ... narrowly lost to defending NCAA Champion Evgeniya Kirpicheva of St. John's 5-4 ... finished the day with a 5-2 win over Columbia's Nzingha Prescod ... against Yale, posted a set of 5-2 wins and a 5-0 routing of Jin Ay Yap ... struggled against Columbia but regrouped and blanked Northwestern 3-0 ... facing off for the second time in as many days, lost 5-3 to Kirpicheva at the Coles Sports Center ... In Durham only allowed her opponents five touches in total throughout the day ... won a duet of matches against North Carolina 5-0 to finish the trip ... at the Notre Dame Duals earned several lopsided wins over MFC opponents ... at NCAA Midwest Regional finished 18-1 with a +65 indicator, good for first place, losing only to familiar Buckeye foe Mona Shaito 5-3 ... in San Antonio, finished first day of competition 14-1, losing only to older sister Alexandria of Harvard, 5-4 ... the loss, her second bout of the day, was the only one across two days of round-robin play ... advancing into the semifinals, bested Mona Shaito 15-5 to move into the finals ... squaring off against Jackie Dubrovich of Columbia, quickly went up in score and never looked back, decisively winning the title with a score of 15-8.

PREP & PERSONAL: Graduated from Paul Laurence Dunbar High School ... was a member of the French Honors Society and the Beta Club ... named an AP Scholar with Distinction ... daughter of Steven and Teresa Kiefer ... has one sister, Alex, and one brother, Axel ... father, Steven, was a team captain for the men's fencing team at Duke University ... sister, Alex, fenced at Harvard University, while brother, Axel, completed his rookie season at Notre Dame in 2015-16 as a first-team All-American and ACC Men's Foilist of the Year ... enrolled in the college of science, majoring in science pre-professional studies.

Kiefer's Career Record

Year W L Pct. NCAA Finish
2012-13 32 6 .842 1st
2013-14 19 3 .864 1st
2014-15 51 6 .895 1st
Career 103 17 .858 1st-


Now Muhammed's

2005: Finished 11th in saber at the NCAA Championships to earn All-America honors for the second straight season ... Junior Olympic National Champion ... posted a 38-4 record on the season to lead the saber team to an 11-3 record ... advanced to the NCAA Championships with a second place finish at the Mid-Atlantic South Regional Championships ... finished the season ranked 15th nationally among Senior Women’s Saber.

2004: Earned All-America honors as a freshman, placing ninth in saber at the NCAA Championships ... posted a record of 49-8 ... finished second at the Mid-Atlantic/South Regional and 21st at the Junior Olympics.

Prep: Two year captain of the Columbia High School fencing team ... helped the team to two state championships ... also led her team to the Santelli Tournament championship ... finished fifth in the Division IA summer nationals ... placed 12th in the 2003 U-19 summer nationals ... led the saber team to a third place finish in the 2003 Division I summer nationals ... the Mid Atlantic Division IA section champion ... also competed in volleyball.

PERSONAL: Born December 4, 1985 ... daughter of Eugene and Denise Muhammad ... majoring in International Comparitive Studies and African and American Studies ... Muslim Student Association Cabinet Member ... participates in the African American mentoring program.


I'm not sure why this matters - she was obviously skilled enough to make it onto the team, not an alternate even.


yes she made the team. But shouldnt we be hearing about the actual good players?

I am pretty sure this is the first time you have of Lee Kiefer. And she is phenominal

Coyote's having a nap, this thread has overwhelmed her :eusa_doh:
 
why dont you research what it costs to be fencer. That number will go down sharply
And yet, all of the top universities have fencing teams full of Olympic hopeful's. ...... :cool:

Fencing and the college advantage

Having fencing listed as an interest on your child’s college application could “make the difference between going to a ‘good’ college or university and a ‘great’ college or university.”Fencing gives that extra advantage when applying to higher education. Of course academia is important, but fencing gives the impression that the student is well-rounded on a whole additional level than most sports.

Often referred to as “physical chess,” fencing is one of the few sports that exhibits a combination of physical prowess, mental acuity, and strategic thinking – and colleges eat this up.

For example, Columbia University welcomes fencers with open arms by stating on their website that … “Good colleges are looking for good students who will contribute to their college. Each year, some straight A students with 1600 SAT’s are rejected by colleges (don’t worry, they get in someplace) because they have little to offer; they simply regurgitate information … they have no creative spirit. The fencer is unique. The fencer brings experiences that enrich the college, just as an accomplished poet or violinist do. This is the type of person the Admissions Directors like to have represented in their stacks of applicants. Being a fencer is a distinct advantage for the college applicant.”

Duke University recently accepted 17 new student athletes for their fencing team. As head coach, Alex Beguinet, states: “This has been an especially difficult year for students seeking admission to Duke, and we are very proud to call all of these incoming fencers Blue Devils [team name]. "Many don’t know that fencing is an NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic Association) sport.

Fencing has a strong presence in the NCAA — more than 30 top tier colleges in the United States have an NCAA fencing team, as well as 100 other colleges. Schools compete against each often, so colleges need good fencers to fill their ranks. This can give the competitive edge your child needs to gain acceptance into a top level university.

Fencing and the college advantage - Academy of Fencing Masters Blog



They like fencers because it takes a monetary commitment and dedicated parents. So what you are basically saying is that they want kids who come from homes who make large financial and time commitments in their children.

Thanks for that news flash.
 
1. she is 30 years old and still has a weak Bio.

2. the rest of the bios are filled with actual world rankings

3. the only other one with a thin bio is the 22 year old who is in first olympics.

This is her first Olympics. Are you suggesting age is a factor over athletic ability?


Yes Look at her peers. When it takes you until age 30 to make the games you arent good enough.

Now Lets compare the 30 year old Muhammed to her teammate 21 year old Kiefer. You would think that the 30 year old would have a larger accomplishments.

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Kiefer, a three-time NCAA foil champion, will be appearing in the Olympics for the second time after finishing fifth in the individual foil competition at the 2012 Games (London).

Keifer is currently ranked No. 1 among U.S. fencers (women’s foil) and will head to Rio ranked third in the world. With a wealth of international experience, she became just the second U.S. women’s foil fencer to earn a medal at the Senior World Championships when she captured the bronze in 2011. In 2015, she became the first athlete to win seven consecutive individual titles at the Pan American Championships.

In three seasons at Notre Dame, Kiefer has posted back-to-back-to-back NCAA Championships (2013-15) and earned first team All-American honors in each of those three seasons. As a junior (2015), she was named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American.
HONORS AND AWARDS
  • Junior World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • Cadet World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
  • North American Cup Gold Medalist (2012)
  • 2012, 2016 Olympic Games Participant (United States)
  • Women's Team Foil Sixth-Place Finisher (2012 Olympics)
  • First Team Capital One Academic All-American (2015)
  • ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foilist of the Year (2015)
  • ACC Women's Foil Champion (2015)
  • ACC Women's Team Champion (2015)
  • Midwest Fencing Conference Champion (2013, 2014)
  • First Team All-MFC (2013, 2014)
  • NCAA Foil Champion (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • First Team All-American (2013, 2014, 2015)
  • Pan American Championships Senior Women's Foil Gold Medalist (2009-16)
INTERNATIONAL RESULTS: Finished in ninth place at the Gdansk Grand Prix in February of 2013 ... went on to improve to seventh place at the St. Petersburg World Cup the following week ... finished in sixth place at the Marseill Grand Prix event, before cracking the top three in individual competition at the Junior World Championships ... was a member of the second-place silver medal women's foil team at the Junior World Championships ... claimed both the team and individual gold medal at the Pan American Championships ... was ranked in 2013 as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year ... ranked as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year.

AS A JUNIOR: Won NCAA Women's Foil title for third consecutive year and had a monstrous season, winning 51 bouts, merely dropping six ... was a crucial player in helping the women's team capture the first ever ACC Women's Team Championship trophy, also became the first ACC Women's Foil Champion ... named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year, and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American ... went 11-4 at the Ohio State Elite Cup, 11-1 at St. John's, 11-2 at NYU and 9-0 at Northwestern ... in Columbus, earned two losses to Pennsylvania but blanked Cassidy Seidl 5-0 ... beat all three North Carolina foes (Gabrielle D'Astoli 5-2, Amanda Lalezarian 5-0, Wynton Wong 5-1) ... lost 5-3 to Sharon Gao of Princeton, but beat her Tigers teammates Ashley Tsue 5-2 and Ambika Singh 5-3 ... blanked Kane Gladnick and D. Ortega-Ferguson of Penn State, beating Clarisse Luminet 5-1 ... finished 1-1 against host Ohio State, losing 5-3 to Alanna Goldie and winning 5-3 versus Mai Shaito ... at St. John's, lost first bout 5-4 to Ohio State's Eleanor Harvey, but went on to win every other bout throughout the day ... at NYU, beat Yale's Meghan Murphy 5-1 and Rae Na Lee 5-0 ... out-dueled Sara Taffell of Columbia 5-2, but suffered two losses to her teammates Nzingha Prescod (5-3) and Margaret Lu (5-4) ... beat all three Northwestern foes, Jennifer Yamin (5-0), Kalia Budofsky (5-1) and Stephanie Chan (5-4) ... out-dueled St. John's Irene Spezzamonte (5-0), Jackie Mazzone (5-0( and Marta Hausman (5-0) then finished the day with wins against Audra Fox (5-1) and Yasmeen Omer (5-0) of NYU ... at Northwestern, went undefeated against Princeton (Singh, 5-1, Gao 5-1, Tsue 5-0), Pennsylvania (Wang 5-0, Seidle 5-2, Parmacek 5-0) and Northwestern (Chan 5-1 and Yamin, 5-1) in addition to beating Becca Stanford of Temple 5-4 ... at ACC Championship, posted perfect 15-0 record in pool play to advance into semfinals of women's foil competition ... beat teammates Sarah Followill 15-5 in the semis, and Nicole McKee 15-4 in the title bout ... earned the No. 1 automatic qualifying seed at NCAA Midwest Regional with a perfect 16-0 record ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 21-2 record and earned No. 1 seed, losing only to Goldie (Ohio State) 5-1 and Luminet (Penn State) 5-3 ... beat Hausman (St. John's) 15-7 in semifinal bout and faced Lu (Columbia) in the title bout, winning 15-13 ... earned a monogram.

AS A SOPHOMORE: Repeated as NCAA Women's Foil Champion and earned First Team All-American honors in the process ... competed sparingly with the Irish, balancing international competitions with NCAA events ... earned 9-2 record at the NYU invitational and followed with 10-1 mark the next day at St. John's, earning a 19-3 record for the year ... at NYU, beat Yale's Jin Ai Yap (5-0), Lauren Miller (5-2) and Megan Murphy (5-1) ... earned two wins against Columbia's Margaret Lu (5-4) and Jackie Dubrovich (5-2), narrowly losing to Nzingha Prescod 4-3 ... out-touched Jennifer Yamin of Northwestern, 5-3 ... bested Melissa Corona (5-0), Irene Spezzamonte (5-4) and Marta Hausman (5-3) of St. John's ... won 5-2 against Tiffany Liu of NYU ... finished the day with two wins against Ohio State (Mona Shaito 5-2, Eleanor Harvey 2-1) and lost, 5-3, to Alanna Goldie ... at St. John's, beat Harvey (5-1) Goldie (5-2) and Shaito (5-1) to start out strong in the Taffner Field House ... earned two victories against Kane Gladnick (5-4) and Alina Antokhina (5-4) of Penn State ... bested Harvard's Liana Yamin and Hali Nelson 5-1 ... again beat Corona (St. John's) 5-3 ... lone loss of the tournament came versus Prescod, who beat her 5-4 ... finished the tournament with a pair of 5-3 wins against Prescod's teammates Lu and Dubrovich ... fenced in the team's final Midwest Fencing Conference Championship, winning women's foil title and helping the women's team finish second ... at NCAA Midwest Regional, earned the No. 1 seed and won the women's foil bracket, beating teammate Madison Zeiss 15-7 in the semifinal and out-dueling Mona Shaito of Ohio State 15-9 in the final bout ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 19-4 record and earned the No. 1 seed .. in the semifinals beat Ohio State's Goldie 15-11 and squared off with Zeiss in the title bout ... beat Zeiss 13-10 to claim second title ... earned a monogram.

AS A FRESHMAN: Was crowned the 2013 NCAA Women's Foil Champion, earning First Team All-American accolades in her first season with the Irish ... was one of the most successful foilists with a 32-6 mark ... posted matching 9-3 records at the St. John's and NYU Invitationals ... was undefeated at Duke and Notre Dame Duals ... started career with the Irish by winning two bouts, 5-2, against Ohio State ... narrowly won third bout 5-4 against Mona Shaito ... was 2-1 against Penn State, blanking Alina Antokhina 5-0 ... narrowly lost to defending NCAA Champion Evgeniya Kirpicheva of St. John's 5-4 ... finished the day with a 5-2 win over Columbia's Nzingha Prescod ... against Yale, posted a set of 5-2 wins and a 5-0 routing of Jin Ay Yap ... struggled against Columbia but regrouped and blanked Northwestern 3-0 ... facing off for the second time in as many days, lost 5-3 to Kirpicheva at the Coles Sports Center ... In Durham only allowed her opponents five touches in total throughout the day ... won a duet of matches against North Carolina 5-0 to finish the trip ... at the Notre Dame Duals earned several lopsided wins over MFC opponents ... at NCAA Midwest Regional finished 18-1 with a +65 indicator, good for first place, losing only to familiar Buckeye foe Mona Shaito 5-3 ... in San Antonio, finished first day of competition 14-1, losing only to older sister Alexandria of Harvard, 5-4 ... the loss, her second bout of the day, was the only one across two days of round-robin play ... advancing into the semifinals, bested Mona Shaito 15-5 to move into the finals ... squaring off against Jackie Dubrovich of Columbia, quickly went up in score and never looked back, decisively winning the title with a score of 15-8.

PREP & PERSONAL: Graduated from Paul Laurence Dunbar High School ... was a member of the French Honors Society and the Beta Club ... named an AP Scholar with Distinction ... daughter of Steven and Teresa Kiefer ... has one sister, Alex, and one brother, Axel ... father, Steven, was a team captain for the men's fencing team at Duke University ... sister, Alex, fenced at Harvard University, while brother, Axel, completed his rookie season at Notre Dame in 2015-16 as a first-team All-American and ACC Men's Foilist of the Year ... enrolled in the college of science, majoring in science pre-professional studies.

Kiefer's Career Record

Year W L Pct. NCAA Finish
2012-13 32 6 .842 1st
2013-14 19 3 .864 1st
2014-15 51 6 .895 1st
Career 103 17 .858 1st-


Now Muhammed's

2005: Finished 11th in saber at the NCAA Championships to earn All-America honors for the second straight season ... Junior Olympic National Champion ... posted a 38-4 record on the season to lead the saber team to an 11-3 record ... advanced to the NCAA Championships with a second place finish at the Mid-Atlantic South Regional Championships ... finished the season ranked 15th nationally among Senior Women’s Saber.

2004: Earned All-America honors as a freshman, placing ninth in saber at the NCAA Championships ... posted a record of 49-8 ... finished second at the Mid-Atlantic/South Regional and 21st at the Junior Olympics.

Prep: Two year captain of the Columbia High School fencing team ... helped the team to two state championships ... also led her team to the Santelli Tournament championship ... finished fifth in the Division IA summer nationals ... placed 12th in the 2003 U-19 summer nationals ... led the saber team to a third place finish in the 2003 Division I summer nationals ... the Mid Atlantic Division IA section champion ... also competed in volleyball.

PERSONAL: Born December 4, 1985 ... daughter of Eugene and Denise Muhammad ... majoring in International Comparitive Studies and African and American Studies ... Muslim Student Association Cabinet Member ... participates in the African American mentoring program.


I'm not sure why this matters - she was obviously skilled enough to make it onto the team, not an alternate even.


yes she made the team. But shouldnt we be hearing about the actual good players?

I am pretty sure this is the first time you have of Lee Kiefer. And she is phenominal

Coyote's having a nap, this thread has overwhelmed her :eusa_doh:


Well when your whole position is we should be happy because she was a participant and wearing oppressive clothing by choice. I would take a nap as well.
 
Sunni Man's prediction:

10's of thousands of American muslim girls will be inspired by Ibtihaj Muhammad's personal journey into competitive fencing and place on the Olympic team.

I predict that in the future we will see more and more young muslim women wearing hijab entering the sport with the hope of landing a spot on the U.S.A. team.
In fact, I believe you will see muslim girls embracing the sport in many countries; with dreams of a place on their respective teams while wearing hijab.

Which will eventually culminate with a hijabi muslim woman winning the Olympic gold medal in fencing.

Don't forget, you heard it here first. ...... :cool:

I predict in that same time frame Muslims will kill 10's of thousands in the name of islam and oppress many more
 

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