Muhammad becomes first Muslim American to represent the US Olympic Team wearing a hijab

[Conservative65]

I'm trying to figure out what that has to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country.

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I'm trying to figure out what that has to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country.

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

You need to find yourself a safe space if that offends you.

 

[Conservative65]

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

You need to find yourself a safe space if that offends you.

Wouldn't the same apply to faggots that get offended when others identify them as deviant freaks and it hurts their feelings?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ibtihaj Muhammad is a Jew hater but that wouldn't bother the Jew hating Left.

All the Leftists in this thread, they ignored her vile Tweets, not that we should be surprised that they did.

What vile tweets ?
Her stance pretty much represents mainstream thinking.

She's very biased and political, there's no place for this sort of thing in sports, I've already said that religion and politics don't belong in any sporting event or sporting competition.

The Tweets, or some of them.

Muhammad becomes first Muslim American to represent the US Olympic Team wearing a hijab

Those tweets are two years old and are not offensive.

I love that you feel that religion has no place in sport but are attacking a Muslim athlete for ,um, being a Muslim.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

You need to find yourself a safe space if that offends you.

Wouldn't the same apply to faggots that get offended when others identify them as deviant freaks and it hurts their feelings?

You just lost your place in the conversation.

 

[Conservative65]

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

You need to find yourself a safe space if that offends you.

Wouldn't the same apply to faggots that get offended when others identify them as deviant freaks and it hurts their feelings?

You just lost your place in the conversation.

Did you get offended, FAGGOT?

 

[Coyote]

This is her first Olympics. Are you suggesting age is a factor over athletic ability?

Yes Look at her peers. When it takes you until age 30 to make the games you arent good enough.

Now Lets compare the 30 year old Muhammed to her teammate 21 year old Kiefer. You would think that the 30 year old would have a larger accomplishments.

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Kiefer, a three-time NCAA foil champion, will be appearing in the Olympics for the second time after finishing fifth in the individual foil competition at the 2012 Games (London).

Keifer is currently ranked No. 1 among U.S. fencers (women’s foil) and will head to Rio ranked third in the world. With a wealth of international experience, she became just the second U.S. women’s foil fencer to earn a medal at the Senior World Championships when she captured the bronze in 2011. In 2015, she became the first athlete to win seven consecutive individual titles at the Pan American Championships.

In three seasons at Notre Dame, Kiefer has posted back-to-back-to-back NCAA Championships (2013-15) and earned first team All-American honors in each of those three seasons. As a junior (2015), she was named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American.
HONORS AND AWARDS

• Junior World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
• Cadet World Championships Silver Medalist (2011)
• North American Cup Gold Medalist (2012)
• 2012, 2016 Olympic Games Participant (United States)
• Women's Team Foil Sixth-Place Finisher (2012 Olympics)
• First Team Capital One Academic All-American (2015)
• ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year (2015)
• ACC Women's Foilist of the Year (2015)
• ACC Women's Foil Champion (2015)
• ACC Women's Team Champion (2015)
• Midwest Fencing Conference Champion (2013, 2014)
• First Team All-MFC (2013, 2014)
• NCAA Foil Champion (2013, 2014, 2015)
• First Team All-American (2013, 2014, 2015)
• Pan American Championships Senior Women's Foil Gold Medalist (2009-16)

INTERNATIONAL RESULTS: Finished in ninth place at the Gdansk Grand Prix in February of 2013 ... went on to improve to seventh place at the St. Petersburg World Cup the following week ... finished in sixth place at the Marseill Grand Prix event, before cracking the top three in individual competition at the Junior World Championships ... was a member of the second-place silver medal women's foil team at the Junior World Championships ... claimed both the team and individual gold medal at the Pan American Championships ... was ranked in 2013 as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year ... ranked as the top women's foilist in the United States in both the Junior and Senior division, while checking in as the No. 4 foilist in the world on the Senior level entering the 2012 Olympic Games ... reached the quarterfinal round of the women's individual foil and was a member of the sixth-place U.S. Women's team foil squad at the 2012 Olympics ... earned first career Olympic Team spot after winning gold at the January 2012 North American Cup in both the Junior and Division I pools ... also earned top-10 finishes at both the Budapest World Cup (eighth, team) and Torino World Cup (10th) ... became youngest member of the 2009 Senior World Team at just 15-years-old and then won bronze at the Senior World Championships in October 2011 ... became only athlete in the world to earn individual podium finishes at the Senior, Junior and Cadet World Championships in 2011 after she won silver medals at both the Junior and Cadet Worlds in April of that year.

AS A JUNIOR: Won NCAA Women's Foil title for third consecutive year and had a monstrous season, winning 51 bouts, merely dropping six ... was a crucial player in helping the women's team capture the first ever ACC Women's Team Championship trophy, also became the first ACC Women's Foil Champion ... named ACC Women's Fencing Scholar-Athlete of the Year, ACC Women's Foilist of the Year, and was honored as a First Team Capital One Academic All-American ... went 11-4 at the Ohio State Elite Cup, 11-1 at St. John's, 11-2 at NYU and 9-0 at Northwestern ... in Columbus, earned two losses to Pennsylvania but blanked Cassidy Seidl 5-0 ... beat all three North Carolina foes (Gabrielle D'Astoli 5-2, Amanda Lalezarian 5-0, Wynton Wong 5-1) ... lost 5-3 to Sharon Gao of Princeton, but beat her Tigers teammates Ashley Tsue 5-2 and Ambika Singh 5-3 ... blanked Kane Gladnick and D. Ortega-Ferguson of Penn State, beating Clarisse Luminet 5-1 ... finished 1-1 against host Ohio State, losing 5-3 to Alanna Goldie and winning 5-3 versus Mai Shaito ... at St. John's, lost first bout 5-4 to Ohio State's Eleanor Harvey, but went on to win every other bout throughout the day ... at NYU, beat Yale's Meghan Murphy 5-1 and Rae Na Lee 5-0 ... out-dueled Sara Taffell of Columbia 5-2, but suffered two losses to her teammates Nzingha Prescod (5-3) and Margaret Lu (5-4) ... beat all three Northwestern foes, Jennifer Yamin (5-0), Kalia Budofsky (5-1) and Stephanie Chan (5-4) ... out-dueled St. John's Irene Spezzamonte (5-0), Jackie Mazzone (5-0( and Marta Hausman (5-0) then finished the day with wins against Audra Fox (5-1) and Yasmeen Omer (5-0) of NYU ... at Northwestern, went undefeated against Princeton (Singh, 5-1, Gao 5-1, Tsue 5-0), Pennsylvania (Wang 5-0, Seidle 5-2, Parmacek 5-0) and Northwestern (Chan 5-1 and Yamin, 5-1) in addition to beating Becca Stanford of Temple 5-4 ... at ACC Championship, posted perfect 15-0 record in pool play to advance into semfinals of women's foil competition ... beat teammates Sarah Followill 15-5 in the semis, and Nicole McKee 15-4 in the title bout ... earned the No. 1 automatic qualifying seed at NCAA Midwest Regional with a perfect 16-0 record ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 21-2 record and earned No. 1 seed, losing only to Goldie (Ohio State) 5-1 and Luminet (Penn State) 5-3 ... beat Hausman (St. John's) 15-7 in semifinal bout and faced Lu (Columbia) in the title bout, winning 15-13 ... earned a monogram.

AS A SOPHOMORE: Repeated as NCAA Women's Foil Champion and earned First Team All-American honors in the process ... competed sparingly with the Irish, balancing international competitions with NCAA events ... earned 9-2 record at the NYU invitational and followed with 10-1 mark the next day at St. John's, earning a 19-3 record for the year ... at NYU, beat Yale's Jin Ai Yap (5-0), Lauren Miller (5-2) and Megan Murphy (5-1) ... earned two wins against Columbia's Margaret Lu (5-4) and Jackie Dubrovich (5-2), narrowly losing to Nzingha Prescod 4-3 ... out-touched Jennifer Yamin of Northwestern, 5-3 ... bested Melissa Corona (5-0), Irene Spezzamonte (5-4) and Marta Hausman (5-3) of St. John's ... won 5-2 against Tiffany Liu of NYU ... finished the day with two wins against Ohio State (Mona Shaito 5-2, Eleanor Harvey 2-1) and lost, 5-3, to Alanna Goldie ... at St. John's, beat Harvey (5-1) Goldie (5-2) and Shaito (5-1) to start out strong in the Taffner Field House ... earned two victories against Kane Gladnick (5-4) and Alina Antokhina (5-4) of Penn State ... bested Harvard's Liana Yamin and Hali Nelson 5-1 ... again beat Corona (St. John's) 5-3 ... lone loss of the tournament came versus Prescod, who beat her 5-4 ... finished the tournament with a pair of 5-3 wins against Prescod's teammates Lu and Dubrovich ... fenced in the team's final Midwest Fencing Conference Championship, winning women's foil title and helping the women's team finish second ... at NCAA Midwest Regional, earned the No. 1 seed and won the women's foil bracket, beating teammate Madison Zeiss 15-7 in the semifinal and out-dueling Mona Shaito of Ohio State 15-9 in the final bout ... at NCAA Championship, finished pool play with 19-4 record and earned the No. 1 seed .. in the semifinals beat Ohio State's Goldie 15-11 and squared off with Zeiss in the title bout ... beat Zeiss 13-10 to claim second title ... earned a monogram.

AS A FRESHMAN: Was crowned the 2013 NCAA Women's Foil Champion, earning First Team All-American accolades in her first season with the Irish ... was one of the most successful foilists with a 32-6 mark ... posted matching 9-3 records at the St. John's and NYU Invitationals ... was undefeated at Duke and Notre Dame Duals ... started career with the Irish by winning two bouts, 5-2, against Ohio State ... narrowly won third bout 5-4 against Mona Shaito ... was 2-1 against Penn State, blanking Alina Antokhina 5-0 ... narrowly lost to defending NCAA Champion Evgeniya Kirpicheva of St. John's 5-4 ... finished the day with a 5-2 win over Columbia's Nzingha Prescod ... against Yale, posted a set of 5-2 wins and a 5-0 routing of Jin Ay Yap ... struggled against Columbia but regrouped and blanked Northwestern 3-0 ... facing off for the second time in as many days, lost 5-3 to Kirpicheva at the Coles Sports Center ... In Durham only allowed her opponents five touches in total throughout the day ... won a duet of matches against North Carolina 5-0 to finish the trip ... at the Notre Dame Duals earned several lopsided wins over MFC opponents ... at NCAA Midwest Regional finished 18-1 with a +65 indicator, good for first place, losing only to familiar Buckeye foe Mona Shaito 5-3 ... in San Antonio, finished first day of competition 14-1, losing only to older sister Alexandria of Harvard, 5-4 ... the loss, her second bout of the day, was the only one across two days of round-robin play ... advancing into the semifinals, bested Mona Shaito 15-5 to move into the finals ... squaring off against Jackie Dubrovich of Columbia, quickly went up in score and never looked back, decisively winning the title with a score of 15-8.

PREP & PERSONAL: Graduated from Paul Laurence Dunbar High School ... was a member of the French Honors Society and the Beta Club ... named an AP Scholar with Distinction ... daughter of Steven and Teresa Kiefer ... has one sister, Alex, and one brother, Axel ... father, Steven, was a team captain for the men's fencing team at Duke University ... sister, Alex, fenced at Harvard University, while brother, Axel, completed his rookie season at Notre Dame in 2015-16 as a first-team All-American and ACC Men's Foilist of the Year ... enrolled in the college of science, majoring in science pre-professional studies.

Kiefer's Career Record

Year W L Pct. NCAA Finish
2012-13 32 6 .842 1st
2013-14 19 3 .864 1st
2014-15 51 6 .895 1st
Career 103 17 .858 1st-


Now Muhammed's

2005: Finished 11th in saber at the NCAA Championships to earn All-America honors for the second straight season ... Junior Olympic National Champion ... posted a 38-4 record on the season to lead the saber team to an 11-3 record ... advanced to the NCAA Championships with a second place finish at the Mid-Atlantic South Regional Championships ... finished the season ranked 15th nationally among Senior Women’s Saber.

2004: Earned All-America honors as a freshman, placing ninth in saber at the NCAA Championships ... posted a record of 49-8 ... finished second at the Mid-Atlantic/South Regional and 21st at the Junior Olympics.

Prep: Two year captain of the Columbia High School fencing team ... helped the team to two state championships ... also led her team to the Santelli Tournament championship ... finished fifth in the Division IA summer nationals ... placed 12th in the 2003 U-19 summer nationals ... led the saber team to a third place finish in the 2003 Division I summer nationals ... the Mid Atlantic Division IA section champion ... also competed in volleyball.

PERSONAL: Born December 4, 1985 ... daughter of Eugene and Denise Muhammad ... majoring in International Comparitive Studies and African and American Studies ... Muslim Student Association Cabinet Member ... participates in the African American mentoring program.

I'm not sure why this matters - she was obviously skilled enough to make it onto the team, not an alternate even.

yes she made the team. But shouldnt we be hearing about the actual good players?

I am pretty sure this is the first time you have of Lee Kiefer. And she is phenominal

Why is it so important to: discredit her, minimalize her credentials, etc. ?

Really..why is it? Can't we just enjoy her being there and celebrate it along with the others? I just don't get the hate.

It's not important to discredit anyone other than the people pushing this whole pro hijab thing. We don't need it in our sports it's bad enough we have to deal with it in our politics.

Why should people care if a woman chooses to wear one

 

[Coyote]

Translation: Muslims know their place and not be visable.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. It will never work, trust me. If she didn't want blowback she should have kept her mouth shut, went to compete and left the BS out of it. You see any other athletes down their running their pieholes? Nope....they went to compete and rep the USA.

Ya...she should just shut up. Like all people trying to bring about change in attitudes and perceptions or stereotypes.

Never mind about about the shutting up.

I demand that everyone stop making comments for about 10 minutes, I'm only on page 7 and there's 4 more pages I need to check, I'm behind enough as it is, I need time to catch up

ehhhh....just jump to the last page

You want this Burka? This is the Autumn Range 2016, it's just in, brand new on the market, you can choose your own colour, you can have black, black, black, black or black.

They have a Burka for your dogs also, here's a dog modelling one.

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[Coyote]

Ibtihaj Muhammad is a Jew hater but that wouldn't bother the Jew hating Left.

Criticizing Israel makes her a Jew hater?

 

[Coyote]

I found this in wiki:
Smith and Carlos were largely ostracized by the U.S. sporting establishment and they were subject to criticism. Time magazine showed the five-ring Olympic logo with the words, "Angrier, Nastier, Uglier", instead of "Faster, Higher, Stronger".[15] Back home, they were subject to abuse and they and their families received death threats.[16]

One of the men, John Carlos, paid a heavy price for his action. His wife finally committed suicide because of the death threats and harassment. And his kids were scorned at school by their peers. .......

and again, it's that big word that is omitted in libturd land, 'consequence'.

How DARE they assert their support for civil rights! They should have stuck to supporting Nike.

 

[Katzndogz]

She lost. She got her hijab wearing ass creamed.

What a great representative - for losers.

 

[Katzndogz]

I found this in wiki:
Smith and Carlos were largely ostracized by the U.S. sporting establishment and they were subject to criticism. Time magazine showed the five-ring Olympic logo with the words, "Angrier, Nastier, Uglier", instead of "Faster, Higher, Stronger".[15] Back home, they were subject to abuse and they and their families received death threats.[16]

One of the men, John Carlos, paid a heavy price for his action. His wife finally committed suicide because of the death threats and harassment. And his kids were scorned at school by their peers. .......

and again, it's that big word that is omitted in libturd land, 'consequence'.

How DARE they assert their support for civil rights! They should have stuck to supporting Nike.

No one stopped them from asserting their support for civil rights.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I found this in wiki:
Smith and Carlos were largely ostracized by the U.S. sporting establishment and they were subject to criticism. Time magazine showed the five-ring Olympic logo with the words, "Angrier, Nastier, Uglier", instead of "Faster, Higher, Stronger".[15] Back home, they were subject to abuse and they and their families received death threats.[16]

One of the men, John Carlos, paid a heavy price for his action. His wife finally committed suicide because of the death threats and harassment. And his kids were scorned at school by their peers. .......

and again, it's that big word that is omitted in libturd land, 'consequence'.

How DARE they assert their support for civil rights! They should have stuck to supporting Nike.

Nike sucks.

Some other things that suck.

 

[jc456]

I found this in wiki:
Smith and Carlos were largely ostracized by the U.S. sporting establishment and they were subject to criticism. Time magazine showed the five-ring Olympic logo with the words, "Angrier, Nastier, Uglier", instead of "Faster, Higher, Stronger".[15] Back home, they were subject to abuse and they and their families received death threats.[16]

One of the men, John Carlos, paid a heavy price for his action. His wife finally committed suicide because of the death threats and harassment. And his kids were scorned at school by their peers. .......

and again, it's that big word that is omitted in libturd land, 'consequence'.

How DARE they assert their support for civil rights! They should have stuck to supporting Nike.

was there some sort of guarantee of success for doing such a thing? Is that what your implying? hahahahahahaahhaha. They did something that had risk. Their risk backfired. Not anyone's fault but theirs. Sorry, no one interfered in their right to protest.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

She lost. She got her hijab wearing ass creamed.

What a great representative - for losers.

It could have been worse, she could have lost her head.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

So what you are basically saying is that they want kids who come from homes who make large financial and time commitments in their children.

Isn't that what it takes regardless of sport?

I'm starting to think you're 2 cans short of a 6-pack. ......

No. If that was the case there would be no children from the ghettos rising up.

Very cheap to play basketball, soccer, football, wrestling, baseball, track in this country.

fencing.... not so much.

Fencing is glorious. Nothing else has the same feel, the same sound. Fencing was my sport. For obvious reasons, I could not play team sports soccer and volleball was out for me. I went on to become a state fencing champion. It isn't even all that expensive. It's so worth it.

I love fencing. I have been hoping my younger daughter will pick it up.

You should encourage your daughter.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I'm trying to figure out what that has to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country.

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

Her wearing the Hijab doesn't offend me, as in I'm offended. Her wearing the Hijab is an anti-Western statement, in Western nations we don't wear such apparel, if someone is in a Western nation they adhere to Western customs, including clothing.

If I went to an Islamic nation, they would demand that I covered my hair or else they'd go batshit crazy and start the usual screaming at me.

When in Rome, do as the Romans, why can't Muslims understand this, more importantly why can't Leftists understand this?

 

[Coyote]

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

Her wearing the Hijab doesn't offend me, as in I'm offended. Her wearing the Hijab is an anti-Western statement, in Western nations we don't wear such apparel, if someone is in a Western nation they adhere to Western customs, including clothing.

If I went to an Islamic nation, they would demand that I covered my hair or else they'd go batshit crazy and start the usual screaming at me.

When in Rome, do as the Romans, why can't Muslims understand this, more importantly why can't Leftists understand this?

The way I see it, wearing a hijab is like wearing a kippah, or head scarf for orthodox Jews, or a turban for Sikhs or a Nun's headcovering. It doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights, it's a part of religious freedom. It's not like a burka or niqab, that hide a person's face or cause issues in certain jobs, or security. I see it as reasonable in a free society.

 

[Conservative65]

Work on it and see if you can figure out why most do not perceive the Amish as they do Muslims.

I understand things don't come easy to you.

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

Her wearing the Hijab doesn't offend me, as in I'm offended. Her wearing the Hijab is an anti-Western statement, in Western nations we don't wear such apparel, if someone is in a Western nation they adhere to Western customs, including clothing.

If I went to an Islamic nation, they would demand that I covered my hair or else they'd go batshit crazy and start the usual screaming at me.

When in Rome, do as the Romans, why can't Muslims understand this, more importantly why can't Leftists understand this?

I'm not offended by it. I said that hoping to get someone like Tommy to make a statement indicating he could make that determination for me. He quickly obliged.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I understand that what you said has nothing to do with the freedom to wear religious garb in this country. I'll wait until you figure that out.

In case you missed it: freedom of religion applies to all, not just those that meet with your approval.

Unless you're a Christian baker.

You are being silly. Wearing n item of clothing does not affect anybody. Refusing service to minorities does. Stop trying to play the victim card to mask bigotry.

Her wearing that offends me.

It was refusing service. It was exercising religious beliefs. Difference.

Her wearing the Hijab doesn't offend me, as in I'm offended. Her wearing the Hijab is an anti-Western statement, in Western nations we don't wear such apparel, if someone is in a Western nation they adhere to Western customs, including clothing.

If I went to an Islamic nation, they would demand that I covered my hair or else they'd go batshit crazy and start the usual screaming at me.

When in Rome, do as the Romans, why can't Muslims understand this, more importantly why can't Leftists understand this?

The way I see it, wearing a hijab is like wearing a kippah, or head scarf for orthodox Jews, or a turban for Sikhs or a Nun's headcovering. It doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights, it's a part of religious freedom. It's not like a burka or niqab, that hide a person's face or cause issues in certain jobs, or security. I see it as reasonable in a free society.

Are any of those other examples you give illustrating a partition between males and females in society?

The Hijab in Islam, the women must wear the Hijab outdoors in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family, so when at home, they don't have to wear the Hijab, but in the presence of all males not in their family, they must wear it.

How is this pro-women, when the Hijab effectively is used by Muslim men to control the female members of their family?

How is this also religious freedom and reasonable in a free society?