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So...your version of the Constitution doesn't have the 14th Amendment?This is as ignorant as it is wrong.Unconstitutional laws constitute lawlessness. Now you're just chasing your tail, peon.
State public accommodations laws are in fact Constitutional:
‘As we have pointed out, 32 States now have [public accommodations laws] and no case has been cited to us where the attack on a state statute has been successful, either in federal or state courts. Indeed, in some cases, the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause objections have been specifically discarded in this Court. Bob-Lo Excursion Co. v. Michigan, 333 U.S. 28, 34 n. 12 (1948). As a result, the constitutionality of such state statutes stands unquestioned. "The authority of the Federal Government over interstate commerce does not differ," it was held in United States v. Rock Royal Co-op., Inc., 307 U.S. 533 (1939), "in extent or character from that retained by the states over intrastate commerce." At 569-570. See also Bowles v. Willingham, 321 U.S. 503 (1944).'
Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States
Public accommodations laws are necessary, proper, and Constitutional as authorized by the Commerce Clause.
And again, as you have demonstrated in post after post exhibiting your bigotry and hate toward gay Americans, such laws are very much necessary and proper.
What does going to the baker down the street have to do with interstate commerce?
It has to do with equal protection under the law. States can't have discriminatory laws that violate the Constitution.
You mean your version of the Constitution. Involuntary servitude violates the Constitution also.
Can you at least acknowledge that the Muslim bakers live in a state where refusing to bake a wedding cake for gay people isn't illegal? Or will you continue to ignore that rather important point?Link please. Back up your claims or admit your a liar.
Denial.
Read the thread. Or be called a liar.
What double standards? Specificly - provide a link.
Denial.
When was the last time you heard of a Muslim baker being sued and fined for discriminating against a gay couple? Because unlike Christianity, there will be serious backlash if a Muslim is forced to violate his faith's teachings.
Let’s Blame Christianity For Everything, And Islam For Nothing
This, calling for "White America" to answer for the Charleston Church Massacre:
Charleston church massacre: The violence white America must answer for
As compared to this, saying Islam isn't responsible for the Tsarnaev brothers, who bombed the Boston Marathon.
I am not the Tsarnaevs
One has to wonder...if your religion makes you pick and choose whom you can bake cakes for....why the heck are you in the cake baking business?What about if you go to Starbucks in Florida and we scream at you, does that work?Can you threaten me with burning crosses on my lawn, graffitti on my house, and death threats?
What about if you go to Starbucks in Florida and we scream at you, does that work?
Can you threaten me with burning crosses on my lawn, graffitti on my house, and death threats?
You can scream at me all you want, in what ever state you want, as long as the owner doesn't mind you disturbing the peace. You can yell at me on the sidewalk, you can yell at me in the street. What you can't make me do is bake a cake if it is against my religion.
Its a cake people, there lots of bakeries. Find one that wants to make it, pay for it and eat it already.
I can sympathize with being rebuffed. A wedding is a huge deal and it's an emotional deal. It's an even huger deal when it's something that's been long denied to you. You should be able to have a reasonable expectation of being treated like any other customer looking for the same product. Now if the person went looking for a refusal, I'd have no sympathy but that isn't the case in the Oregon case.
Making a purchase in a retail store is different than having someone cater an event. It was the event the baker objected to.
No, it's the same.
When a state law is enacted, the state is responsible for enforcing it.
Then why can NC enforce theirs? When any law is passed, whether it be one you like or don't, the state is obligated to enforce it, correct?
Since you're going to do the spelling nazi schpeil - this sentence is a great example of horrible grammar.
We had a case several years ago here in Fallbrook where a couple set up a TeePee in their back yard and had drum circles going at all hours of the night. The neighbors complained and the city told them to stop after 10 due to noise ordinances. The couple claimed religious freedom to do drum circles...Guess what...they lost...even tho they claimed that the city ordinance went against their religion.
So...your version of the Constitution doesn't have the 14th Amendment?This is as ignorant as it is wrong.Unconstitutional laws constitute lawlessness. Now you're just chasing your tail, peon.
State public accommodations laws are in fact Constitutional:
‘As we have pointed out, 32 States now have [public accommodations laws] and no case has been cited to us where the attack on a state statute has been successful, either in federal or state courts. Indeed, in some cases, the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause objections have been specifically discarded in this Court. Bob-Lo Excursion Co. v. Michigan, 333 U.S. 28, 34 n. 12 (1948). As a result, the constitutionality of such state statutes stands unquestioned. "The authority of the Federal Government over interstate commerce does not differ," it was held in United States v. Rock Royal Co-op., Inc., 307 U.S. 533 (1939), "in extent or character from that retained by the states over intrastate commerce." At 569-570. See also Bowles v. Willingham, 321 U.S. 503 (1944).'
Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States
Public accommodations laws are necessary, proper, and Constitutional as authorized by the Commerce Clause.
And again, as you have demonstrated in post after post exhibiting your bigotry and hate toward gay Americans, such laws are very much necessary and proper.
What does going to the baker down the street have to do with interstate commerce?
It has to do with equal protection under the law. States can't have discriminatory laws that violate the Constitution.
You mean your version of the Constitution. Involuntary servitude violates the Constitution also.
I believe NC will be enforcing theirs. I look forward to someone like this....When a state law is enacted, the state is responsible for enforcing it.
Then why can NC enforce theirs? When any law is passed, whether it be one you like or don't, the state is obligated to enforce it, correct?
Yes, otherwise why pass it? I don't agree with it but what is the point of passing a law?
Its a cake people, there lots of bakeries. Find one that wants to make it, pay for it and eat it already.
I can sympathize with being rebuffed. A wedding is a huge deal and it's an emotional deal. It's an even huger deal when it's something that's been long denied to you. You should be able to have a reasonable expectation of being treated like any other customer looking for the same product. Now if the person went looking for a refusal, I'd have no sympathy but that isn't the case in the Oregon case.
Making a purchase in a retail store is different than having someone cater an event. It was the event the baker objected to.
No, it's not. Catering an event is like putting a roof on someone's house, or mowing their lawn.
You can't discriminate.
And we worked thru the legal system to have laws we considered unjust repealed or struck down in court. We worked long and hard for that victory. If gay people in America had just sat at our computers and whined about unfair laws instead of actually working to get the laws changed, gay sex would probably still be illegal and we'd probably still get fired for being gay everywhere. The power of Political Action!So...your version of the Constitution doesn't have the 14th Amendment?This is as ignorant as it is wrong.
State public accommodations laws are in fact Constitutional:
‘As we have pointed out, 32 States now have [public accommodations laws] and no case has been cited to us where the attack on a state statute has been successful, either in federal or state courts. Indeed, in some cases, the Due Process and Equal Protection Clause objections have been specifically discarded in this Court. Bob-Lo Excursion Co. v. Michigan, 333 U.S. 28, 34 n. 12 (1948). As a result, the constitutionality of such state statutes stands unquestioned. "The authority of the Federal Government over interstate commerce does not differ," it was held in United States v. Rock Royal Co-op., Inc., 307 U.S. 533 (1939), "in extent or character from that retained by the states over intrastate commerce." At 569-570. See also Bowles v. Willingham, 321 U.S. 503 (1944).'
Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States
Public accommodations laws are necessary, proper, and Constitutional as authorized by the Commerce Clause.
And again, as you have demonstrated in post after post exhibiting your bigotry and hate toward gay Americans, such laws are very much necessary and proper.
What does going to the baker down the street have to do with interstate commerce?
It has to do with equal protection under the law. States can't have discriminatory laws that violate the Constitution.
You mean your version of the Constitution. Involuntary servitude violates the Constitution also.
Of course it does, faghadist marriage was illegal at the time it was ratified and more than a hundred years after, nothing changed. Men are still men and women are still women, they all had the same access to marriage at the time the court ruled for the faghadist. There was no discrimination.
I see that you insult instead of debate civilly too. Speaking of dodging...notice how Kaz claims to have answered my question about what she is doing to get rid of PA laws in her state....and yet cannot show me where she made that answer. Perhaps you've seen it and can point it out to me? Be a pal and point it out.And why do you have to be rude? What is it exactly you are doing to get rid of PA laws in your state? Tell us.Then work to get rid of PA laws.I think government should not compel any citizen to do business with another citizen. Explain what's "exempt" about that standard.
Stop being an idiot
I am you stupid dyke, how many times do I need to explain that to you? Do you have a learning disability? Do you have a learning disability? Do you have a learning disability? Do you have a learning disability? Did I ask you that question before? No?
Oh, and I do apologize if you have told us in the past....I've missed it....could you link or point out where you did so?
He's rude because you're a dingbat who refuses to give a straight answer to a straight question. Dodging, dancing and weaseling and running away are your stock in trade.
Its a cake people, there lots of bakeries. Find one that wants to make it, pay for it and eat it already.
It's just religion people. You want to have a religion that's unconstitutional, move to another country. lol
Religion is suppose to be Constitutionally protected moron.
It's protection is limited. Where's that Mormon practice of polygamy nowadays?
...and you 't find cake a strange dividing line?
Why is polygamy illegal, if the Mormons practice of polygamy was part of their religion?
Link please. Back up your claims or admit your a liar.
Denial.
Read the thread. Or be called a liar.
What double standards? Specificly - provide a link.
Denial.
When was the last time you heard of a Muslim baker being sued and fined for discriminating against a gay couple? Because unlike Christianity, there will be serious backlash if a Muslim is forced to violate his faith's teachings.
Let’s Blame Christianity For Everything, And Islam For Nothing
This, calling for "White America" to answer for the Charleston Church Massacre:
Charleston church massacre: The violence white America must answer for
As compared to this, saying Islam isn't responsible for the Tsarnaev brothers, who bombed the Boston Marathon.
I am not the Tsarnaevs
In Michigan, that IS the law. I may not like it...but I don't live in Michigan.....I DO live in a state where sexual orientation is protected by PA laws. If I lived in Michigan, I'd probably be actively working to get sexual orientation added to the state PA laws.If you mean the example in Michigan....you DO know that Michigan doesn't include sexual orientation in their PA laws, right?And when the baker doesn't pay the new higher fine?What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.What do you think would happen to the bakers if they told the government to take its $100,000 fine and stick it where the sun don't shine?
It's quite telling you and your liberal friends won't apply the your oh so tolerant standards to Muslim bakers that you would to Christians. Why?
Now...if the Muslim bakers in Michigan refused to bake a cake for Christers.....they should be fined (they would have been fined)
If the Muslim bakers were in a state such as Oregon that does include sexual orientation in their PA laws....they should be fined (they would have been fined).
So you have no problem with not having a law forcing a baker to serve queers? Is that what you're saying?
And we worked thru the legal system to have laws we considered unjust repealed or struck down in court. We worked long and hard for that victory. If gay people in America had just sat at our computers and whined about unfair laws instead of actually working to get the laws changed, gay sex would probably still be illegal and we'd probably still get fired for being gay everywhere. The power of Political Action!So...your version of the Constitution doesn't have the 14th Amendment?What does going to the baker down the street have to do with interstate commerce?
It has to do with equal protection under the law. States can't have discriminatory laws that violate the Constitution.
You mean your version of the Constitution. Involuntary servitude violates the Constitution also.
Of course it does, faghadist marriage was illegal at the time it was ratified and more than a hundred years after, nothing changed. Men are still men and women are still women, they all had the same access to marriage at the time the court ruled for the faghadist. There was no discrimination.
In Michigan, that IS the law. I may not like it...but I don't live in Michigan.....I DO live in a state where sexual orientation is protected by PA laws. If I lived in Michigan, I'd probably be actively working to get sexual orientation added to the state PA laws.If you mean the example in Michigan....you DO know that Michigan doesn't include sexual orientation in their PA laws, right?And when the baker doesn't pay the new higher fine?What has happened...the fine goes up. Just like if you refuse to pay any kind of fine, like for illegal parking, or safety/health violations of your business (more rules/laws you must follow to have a business license), etc.
It's quite telling you and your liberal friends won't apply the your oh so tolerant standards to Muslim bakers that you would to Christians. Why?
Now...if the Muslim bakers in Michigan refused to bake a cake for Christers.....they should be fined (they would have been fined)
If the Muslim bakers were in a state such as Oregon that does include sexual orientation in their PA laws....they should be fined (they would have been fined).
So you have no problem with not having a law forcing a baker to serve queers? Is that what you're saying?
Since you're going to do the spelling nazi schpeil - this sentence is a great example of horrible grammar.
Denial.
No, your question was illegible. If you paid any attention to the rest of the post, I attempted to answer the question.
Here's what I would do. I would talk to the customers and say, I am very religious and this goes against what I believe. I would appreciate you getting a cake at another shop I know that will bake you a great cake. If you insist I bake it, it will be the best cake you ever had and this will be the last time I bring up my religion with you.
