Muslim Savagery is not Islamic

[Ahmad]

Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

There are things that will go on until the ends of time. Just as the Italian mafia will never be eradicated. The best to do is what is being done in most cases: hold these groups accountable for their violence, before the competent authorities.

Italian mafias don’t strong-arm others based on religion.

When you kill all these people, then you go to church on sundays; you are using a religion to suit your ends.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Useful is that you use your mind a little. Would do you much good.

Neato!

But you are wasting your time trolling here. The world needs you to tell the backwards fundamental muslim barbarians that what they are doing is not islamic.

I'll hold your stuff for you!

 

[Ahmad]

There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

You might say you're against savagery in the name of your religion, but you're advocating just that.

You are not only mistaken, you are lying.

You say that. I can see you're quite emotional about it.

Scripture (even Koranic scripture) is interpreted by men, (Imams, Priests, Rabbis, Ministers... etc). Men are, by definition, imperfect beings, motivated by many things apart from religious inspiration.

The barbaric acts of ISIS and others was done with the full approval of their own Imams who told those committing the acts that they are doing so in the name of G-d.

You might not agree with those interpretations, but if you say that Islamic Law is infallible, and Islamic Law is interpreted by fallible men, you run the risk of barbaric things being done in the name of G-d ... all perfectly legal and in accordance with scripture, according to the Imam.

When a religion is universally accepted as a religion, people will never have a problem with any of its laws, normally. I am not talking about exceptional cases.

 

[MarathonMike]

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

How about abnormally?

Debate is about normal, not abnormal.

Alright then, what is your opinion of non-violent Muslims who trade their daughters for livestock? Or refuse to let them go to school?

 

[progressive hunter]

There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

You might say you're against savagery in the name of your religion, but you're advocating just that.

You are not only mistaken, you are lying.

You say that. I can see you're quite emotional about it.

Scripture (even Koranic scripture) is interpreted by men, (Imams, Priests, Rabbis, Ministers... etc). Men are, by definition, imperfect beings, motivated by many things apart from religious inspiration.

The barbaric acts of ISIS and others was done with the full approval of their own Imams who told those committing the acts that they are doing so in the name of G-d.

You might not agree with those interpretations, but if you say that Islamic Law is infallible, and Islamic Law is interpreted by fallible men, you run the risk of barbaric things being done in the name of G-d ... all perfectly legal and in accordance with scripture, according to the Imam.

When a religion is universally accepted as a religion, people will never have a problem with any of its laws, normally. I am not talking about exceptional cases.

religions dont have laws you ignorant twit,,,,

 

[Ahmad]

The problem as I see it is that while Muslims have full rights and freedoms in open societies like those found in the west the same cannot be said for non Muslims living in Islamic states..Muslims have freedom to do basically anything they wish esp when it comes to religious freedoms. unfortunately this is not the case for non Muslims in Islamic States this leads to a whole host of problems considering that there are different groups that interpret different regulations or laws in different ways... This can obviously lead to savagery towards people who do not follow Islamic rules... That is one of the reasons many Islamic countries become 100 percent Islamic as there really is no tolerance for anyone who does not follow the “ rules and regulations”..

I wonder what world you live in. Islam is peace and love. Pray 5 times a day means peace and love. Fast 1 month a year means peace and love. Come visit My House in Mecca once in your lifetime means peace and love. My point is, Muslims are the best nation ever raised for mankind.

 

[Ahmad]

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

How about abnormally?

Debate is about normal, not abnormal.

Alright then, what is your opinion of non-violent Muslims who trade their daughters for livestock? Or refuse to let them go to school?

I don't know where you heard these things. But I am offended, though you are forgiven, that you would think that my opinion is such or such. Do I have to reply ?

What do you care about me ? Care about what Islam says, if anything.

 

[fncceo]

Mr. Cohen invited a stranger he met in shul on Friday night to his home to share his Shabbat celebration.

When they arrived, the stranger was treated to a hot bath with scented soaps and oils and given a brand new satin bekishe to wear. The stranger was treated to a sumptuous dinner and the finest wines. After dinner, he was shown to the master suite where the bed was large and the mattress and pillows of the finest goose-down.

For the rest of Shabbat, the stranger lived like a Persian prince, treated to the finest of everything. When Shabbat ended, he was truly sad to be leaving. When he went to give his thanks and farewells to Mr. Cohen and his family, he was presented with a bill for everything.

The stranger was confused and angered, “You invited me to your home on Shabbat, I was your guest. You can’t charge me for this”. Mr. Cohen said very softly, “We will go to the rabbi and let him decide”.

Both men went to see the rabbi and made their cases. The rabbi thought about their arguments and made his decision, “You must pay the bill”.

When walking back to Mr. Cohen’s house, the stranger said, “I don’t understand how the rabbi could have made such a decision. But I will pay the bill”. Mr. Cohen was enraged, “What are you talking about?! You were my guest! I could not let you pay a single kopeck for doing me the honor of spending Shabbat in my home!”

The stranger was confused. He said, “Then why did you give me a bill? Why did we go and see the rabbi?”



Mr. Cohen just laughed and said, “Oh! That! I just wanted you to see what an idiot our rabbi is”.

 

[Manonthestreet]

the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.

Except for how many Islamic states sponsor terror across the world ….ooooppss

 

[Ahmad]

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

How about abnormally?

Debate is about normal, not abnormal.

Alright then, what is your opinion of non-violent Muslims who trade their daughters for livestock? Or refuse to let them go to school?

My turn to ask questions: what is your opinion on Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) ?

 

[Ahmad]

the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.

Except for how many Islamic states sponsor terror across the world ….ooooppss

Politics is not religion, not culture, not even demographics.

Mr Trump brings in Russia to its old arch-enemy, which is its own nation. Let's assume. Get your mind straight.

 

[Manonthestreet]

the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.

Except for how many Islamic states sponsor terror across the world ….ooooppss

Politics is not religion, not culture, not even demographics.

Mr Trump brings in Russia to its old arch-enemy, which is its own nation. Let's assume. Get your mind straight.

But those involved in it are ….ooooopppss Nobody is going to believe the two aren't linked.

 

[fncceo]

Politics is not religion

Don't kid yourself ... religion and politics are irrevocably linked. They spring from the same font.

 

[shimon]

The problem as I see it is that while Muslims have full rights and freedoms in open societies like those found in the west the same cannot be said for non Muslims living in Islamic states..Muslims have freedom to do basically anything they wish esp when it comes to religious freedoms. unfortunately this is not the case for non Muslims in Islamic States this leads to a whole host of problems considering that there are different groups that interpret different regulations or laws in different ways... This can obviously lead to savagery towards people who do not follow Islamic rules... That is one of the reasons many Islamic countries become 100 percent Islamic as there really is no tolerance for anyone who does not follow the “ rules and regulations”..

I wonder what world you live in. Islam is peace and love. Pray 5 times a day means peace and love. Fast 1 month a year means peace and love. Come visit My House in Mecca once in your lifetime means peace and love. My point is, Muslims are the best nation ever raised for mankind.

I am not allowed to go to Mecca unless I am. Musl

The problem as I see it is that while Muslims have full rights and freedoms in open societies like those found in the west the same cannot be said for non Muslims living in Islamic states..Muslims have freedom to do basically anything they wish esp when it comes to religious freedoms. unfortunately this is not the case for non Muslims in Islamic States this leads to a whole host of problems considering that there are different groups that interpret different regulations or laws in different ways... This can obviously lead to savagery towards people who do not follow Islamic rules... That is one of the reasons many Islamic countries become 100 percent Islamic as there really is no tolerance for anyone who does not follow the “ rules and regulations”..

I wonder what world you live in. Islam is peace and love. Pray 5 times a day means peace and love. Fast 1 month a year means peace and love. Come visit My House in Mecca once in your lifetime means peace and love. My point is, Muslims are the best nation ever raised for mankind.

Excuse me what world do you live in non Muslims are not allowed to go to Mecca since I am not a Muslim I am forbidden to travel to your home even if you wish me to do so... If I try to come one of those peaceful groups might harm me....

 

[miketx]

Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.

2000 churches desecrated in France in the past two years say different.

You did say "in France". Whatever is done in France, is as is well known, not representative of even 1% of the Muslim world.

Lol, troll. i didn't say shit, I wrote something and you can damn well read! You're just another pretend troll.

 

[fncceo]

I am not allowed to go to Mecca unless I am. Musl

I think that's his point. He foresees a future where you (and everyone else) will be.

 

[Ahmad]

Mr. Cohen invited a stranger he met in shul on Friday night to his home to share his Shabbat celebration.

When they arrived, the stranger was treated to a hot bath with scented soaps and oils and given a brand new satin bekishe to wear. The stranger was treated to a sumptuous dinner and the finest wines. After dinner, he was shown to the master suite where the bed was large and the mattress and pillows of the finest goose-down.

For the rest of Shabbat, the stranger lived like a Persian prince, treated to the finest of everything. When Shabbat ended, he was truly sad to be leaving. When he went to give his thanks and farewells to Mr. Cohen and his family, he was presented with a bill for everything.

The stranger was confused and angered, “You invited me to your home on Shabbat, I was your guest. You can’t charge me for this”. Mr. Cohen said very softly, “We will go to the rabbi and let him decide”.

Both men went to see the rabbi and made their cases. The rabbi thought about their arguments and made his decision, “You must pay the bill”.

When walking back to Mr. Cohen’s house, the stranger said, “I don’t understand how the rabbi could have made such a decision. But I will pay the bill”. Mr. Cohen was enraged, “What are you talking about?! You were my guest! I could not let you pay a single kopeck for doing me the honor of spending Shabbat in my home!”

The stranger was confused. He said, “Then why did you give me a bill? Why did we go and see the rabbi?”



Mr. Cohen just laughed and said, “Oh! That! I just wanted you to see what an idiot our rabbi is”.

I see you understood my point. Not exceptional cases.

 

[Ahmad]

I am not allowed to go to Mecca unless I am. Musl

I think that's his point. He foresees a future where you (and everyone else) will be.

You like silliness, don't you. It's a choice, I guess.

 

[shimon]

I am not allowed to go to Mecca unless I am. Musl

I think that's his point. He foresees a future where you (and everyone else) will be.

Then he should read Isaiah 66 because it states otherwords.. Regardless the world is a big place with room for all but if one group wants to dominate all others they are in for a rude awakening as no one gets all the slices of the pie just their portion...

 

[fncceo]

Mr. Cohen invited a stranger he met in shul on Friday night to his home to share his Shabbat celebration.

When they arrived, the stranger was treated to a hot bath with scented soaps and oils and given a brand new satin bekishe to wear. The stranger was treated to a sumptuous dinner and the finest wines. After dinner, he was shown to the master suite where the bed was large and the mattress and pillows of the finest goose-down.

For the rest of Shabbat, the stranger lived like a Persian prince, treated to the finest of everything. When Shabbat ended, he was truly sad to be leaving. When he went to give his thanks and farewells to Mr. Cohen and his family, he was presented with a bill for everything.

The stranger was confused and angered, “You invited me to your home on Shabbat, I was your guest. You can’t charge me for this”. Mr. Cohen said very softly, “We will go to the rabbi and let him decide”.

Both men went to see the rabbi and made their cases. The rabbi thought about their arguments and made his decision, “You must pay the bill”.

When walking back to Mr. Cohen’s house, the stranger said, “I don’t understand how the rabbi could have made such a decision. But I will pay the bill”. Mr. Cohen was enraged, “What are you talking about?! You were my guest! I could not let you pay a single kopeck for doing me the honor of spending Shabbat in my home!”

The stranger was confused. He said, “Then why did you give me a bill? Why did we go and see the rabbi?”



Mr. Cohen just laughed and said, “Oh! That! I just wanted you to see what an idiot our rabbi is”.

I see you understood my point. Not exceptional cases.

Do you understand mine?