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You're welcome to believe whatever you'd like.That looks like: ABSOLUTELY NOT, THERE IS NO WAY CHRISTIAN OR JEWS WOULD BE TOLERATED AS EQUALS.
None of these things have any place in a Shari'i society and are imagined fears that stem from your failure to understand Islam and your desire to misrepresent it.We will throw in little statements on paper that can be taken away with one muslim "bearing false witness" and falsely accusing the unbelievers as blasphemers. But we muslims will lie, cheat and break any other commandment when it comes to dealing with someone that does not believe as we believe. Honor and integrity are ideas to control other people, not how mulims live.
Some of the KKK guys had/have black lovers/mistresses. Your point?
The KKK and the modern groups that succeeded it were founded on racial discrimination; Islam forbids it. Yours?
Here you are in an area that I am really not familiar with. I know Islam is not limited to any particular race, yet I do know that there is and has been racial discrimination in some Arab states that are predominantly Muslim.
This site for instance is certainly not one I would say was objective or without a specific agenda, but is the information re racial discrimination cited--most especially in the video--incorrect?
LEBANON: MUSLIM ‘apartheid’ policies forbid blacks from entering swimming pools Bare Naked Islam's Weblog
Christianity does not advocate any racial discrimination either but there are no doubt Christians who are prejudiced. The U.S. Constitution forbids racial discrimination but the KKK nevertheless exists. Policy and reality are not always the same thing.
Islam demands all Muslims to submit to Allah AND all others to be subordinate to the will of those Muslims who submit to Allah.
The emboldened part of your statement is incorrect unless it has a meaning other than that which seems apparent.
Thats a good point, plus alot of Nazis didn't mind using Jewish women as sex slaves.
The difference is that KKK or Nazis were with these women in secret and didn't dare marry them.
Muslims marry Jewish or Christians out in the open with the approval of their families, society, and religion.
Then start a family and raise children like anyone else.
You mean the muslim men that treat muslim women like pigs and dogs (and then breed them) are willing to treat Christian and Jewish women the same, wow! Is there no end to the consideration you show?
In what sense?
Christians and Jews should have the exact same rights as Muslims in a Muslim country, is that possible?
Their legal rights are the same and they, like Muslims, may vote for candidates and run for office in representative councils and be appointed to other local and national government positions. It goes without saying that they serve as judges at every level of their respective religious courts.
The Khalifah, his delegated assistant, governers, and provincial mayors are considered "ruling" positions and as such must be filled by Muslims, since Islam is the guiding ideology of the state and no country can expect to last long if it allows itself to be ruled by people who don't believe in its fundamental philosophy.
Some of the KKK guys had/have black lovers/mistresses. Your point?
Thats a good point, plus alot of Nazis didn't mind using Jewish women as sex slaves.
The difference is that KKK or Nazis were with these women in secret and didn't dare marry them.
Muslims marry Jewish or Christians out in the open with the approval of their families, society, and religion.
Then start a family and raise children like anyone else.
Christianity does not advocate any racial discrimination either but there are no doubt Christians who are prejudiced. The U.S. Constitution forbids racial discrimination but the KKK nevertheless exists. Policy and reality are not always the same thing.
One question though, to be completely clear Kalam.
Is there any room for Israel in the ME? If so, what is that room?
If you're referring to the Jewish people of Palestine and their social and religious institutions, yes. If you're referring to the system of government in place there, no. In that sense my outlook toward Israel is no different than my outlook toward every other nation in the region.
You're welcome to believe whatever you'd like.That looks like: ABSOLUTELY NOT, THERE IS NO WAY CHRISTIAN OR JEWS WOULD BE TOLERATED AS EQUALS.
None of these things have any place in a Shari'i society and are imagined fears that stem from your failure to understand Islam and your desire to misrepresent it.We will throw in little statements on paper that can be taken away with one muslim "bearing false witness" and falsely accusing the unbelievers as blasphemers. But we muslims will lie, cheat and break any other commandment when it comes to dealing with someone that does not believe as we believe. Honor and integrity are ideas to control other people, not how mulims live.
One question though, to be completely clear Kalam.
Is there any room for Israel in the ME? If so, what is that room?
If you're referring to the Jewish people of Palestine and their social and religious institutions, yes. If you're referring to the system of government in place there, no. In that sense my outlook toward Israel is no different than my outlook toward every other nation in the region.
But why?
How is the Israeli system of government a threat to any other Arab nation? Israel has made no effort to export their philosophy of government anywhere else. Israel has not threatened any other government ever. Israel has allowed peaceful Arab Muslims full citizenship in Israel complete with all social services and has not expelled any Arab or Muslim willing to live under Israeli law.
So you would tolerate the strict fundamental Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia or the crazi nutcases currently controlling Iran or the deviousness of a Syria or a developing republic in Iraq and find Israel unacceptable?
That simply makes no sense to me.
You're welcome to believe whatever you'd like.That looks like: ABSOLUTELY NOT, THERE IS NO WAY CHRISTIAN OR JEWS WOULD BE TOLERATED AS EQUALS.
None of these things have any place in a Shari'i society and are imagined fears that stem from your failure to understand Islam and your desire to misrepresent it.We will throw in little statements on paper that can be taken away with one muslim "bearing false witness" and falsely accusing the unbelievers as blasphemers. But we muslims will lie, cheat and break any other commandment when it comes to dealing with someone that does not believe as we believe. Honor and integrity are ideas to control other people, not how mulims live.
Yet, when asked for evidence of such a society, you can list no place that it works. You will list places hundreds, even thousands of years ago that cannot be verified, but no society that uses Shariah law today that is a "shangrala" or even a place where people would choose to move their families because the culture and lifestyle were conducive to family life.
You have every opportunity to "educate" us about islam. When you list "your vision" of islam, it is easily disproved in many muslim societies.
Are you now telling me that Christians and Jews are not being targeted for murder in muslim societies?
Christianity does not advocate any racial discrimination either but there are no doubt Christians who are prejudiced. The U.S. Constitution forbids racial discrimination but the KKK nevertheless exists. Policy and reality are not always the same thing.
Racism is 100% forbidden in Islam.
Which the Prophet addressed in his last speech in front of thousands of muslims.
Farewell Address of Prophet Muhammad
........."All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no
superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any
superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority
over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white
- except by piety and good action".........
http://www.internetmosque.net/read/profit/farewell.pdf
From my understanding a true nation built on Shariah law will not tolerate unbelievers within their borders, or am I incorrect?
From my understanding a true nation built on Shariah law will not tolerate unbelievers within their borders, or am I incorrect?
You are incorrect. Islam will tolerate those who submit to the will of those Muslims who submit to the will of Allah.
Until they don't....
History shows what happens then.
From my understanding a true nation built on Shariah law will not tolerate unbelievers within their borders, or am I incorrect?
You're welcome to believe whatever you'd like.
None of these things have any place in a Shari'i society and are imagined fears that stem from your failure to understand Islam and your desire to misrepresent it.
Yet, when asked for evidence of such a society, you can list no place that it works. You will list places hundreds, even thousands of years ago that cannot be verified, but no society that uses Shariah law today that is a "shangrala" or even a place where people would choose to move their families because the culture and lifestyle were conducive to family life.
You have every opportunity to "educate" us about islam. When you list "your vision" of islam, it is easily disproved in many muslim societies.
Are you now telling me that Christians and Jews are not being targeted for murder in muslim societies?
He is looking on one track only. The spiritual track which he uses to pretend there is no real militaristic jihad.
There is and it is happening now. The spiritual jihad that Kalam speaks of is nowhere to be seen in action.
Taliban was a valid Shar'ee government. The methods adopted by the Taliban
were in accordance to the Shari'ah. In the Shari'ah. The Imaam (Islamic
ruler) has the right and duty to enforce the external laws of the Shari'ah.
This had been the practice of the four rightly guided Khulafaa Raashideen.
Usama ibn Laadin is an upright Muslim and a devoted Mujaahid of Islam. The
allegations made against him were malicious, and designed to justify the
west's war against Islam. He, himself, has vehemently denied these
allegations. In Islam, the ideal system of appointment of the Ameer is that
of Shura (consultation) with the Ulama. The Ulama or the senior and
responsible members of the society should appoint the Ameer, who will then
appoint his government. This is the most preferred method. However, should a
proper Islamic government be established by other methods, e.g. monarchy,
then as long as they rule in accordance with the Shari'ah, they will be a
valid Islamic government.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.
CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
From my understanding a true nation built on Shariah law will not tolerate unbelievers within their borders, or am I incorrect?
