My 8 year old is more logical than half of America

[ricechickie]

Words are not a reason to get violent, guys. Don't you guys say that all the time about protestors and muslims and shit? And look at you right now!

I'll disagree with you. some words drive kids to suicide. so that is just flat out wrong.

But not every kid.

Some kids find a way to live through verbal abuse, and keep their sense of self-worth.

But none should have to

I agree. But then again, we would also agree that sparing children any and all unpleasantness would rob them of chances to build some inner fortitude......?

 

[ricechickie]

NO REASON to put their hands on another child.

you would be wrong

sometimes, telling the teacher makes things worse

kid needs to learn discernment - I agree that violence is a last resort, but, if a kid were hitting a girl and I found out my son didn't step in, he'd get in trouble for that

my son would also be in trouble with me if another kid hit him & he ran away to go cry to the teacher; a trip to the priciple's office is FAR BETTER than having the other kids think you are weak & easy prey...

that's 2 situations where violence is warranted and the most appropriate reaction

I teach young children, who literally have no time where there isn't an adult nearby. They don't have the capacity to decide when "enough is enough" at that age. Like I said, telling the teacher isn't frowned upon at this age.

How old?

Are they special needs?

Like I said earlier, context is everything...

Kindergarten. Some have special needs.

Bullying really doesn't even exist yet at that stage.

It is really more about having power over weaker kids than physically or emotionally hurting them.

Elementary school is when the malicious thoughts start, and by middle school you are perfectly capable of causing suicides.

We aren't disagreeing. Prolonged bullying doesn't exist at this age. But the seeds of bullying start here, as well as the seeds of self-protection.

 

[dcbl]

NO REASON to put their hands on another child.

you would be wrong

sometimes, telling the teacher makes things worse

kid needs to learn discernment - I agree that violence is a last resort, but, if a kid were hitting a girl and I found out my son didn't step in, he'd get in trouble for that

my son would also be in trouble with me if another kid hit him & he ran away to go cry to the teacher; a trip to the priciple's office is FAR BETTER than having the other kids think you are weak & easy prey...

that's 2 situations where violence is warranted and the most appropriate reaction

I teach young children, who literally have no time where there isn't an adult nearby. They don't have the capacity to decide when "enough is enough" at that age. Like I said, telling the teacher isn't frowned upon at this age.

How old?

Are they special needs?

Like I said earlier, context is everything...

Kindergarten. Some have special needs.

Then I stand corrected, at that age it's different

 

[koshergrl]

NO REASON to put their hands on another child.

you would be wrong

sometimes, telling the teacher makes things worse

kid needs to learn discernment - I agree that violence is a last resort, but, if a kid were hitting a girl and I found out my son didn't step in, he'd get in trouble for that

my son would also be in trouble with me if another kid hit him & he ran away to go cry to the teacher; a trip to the priciple's office is FAR BETTER than having the other kids think you are weak & easy prey...

that's 2 situations where violence is warranted and the most appropriate reaction

I teach young children, who literally have no time where there isn't an adult nearby. They don't have the capacity to decide when "enough is enough" at that age. Like I said, telling the teacher isn't frowned upon at this age.

that's true. But it will be in middle school.

Yeah, well, there's a reason why I don't teach middle school. Telling becomes "snitching", it's cool to hate school (and teachers), and they smell bad.

If you don't teach middle school, then you are literally missing half the battle.

Bullying in elementary school and kindergarten is harmless compared to that.

Middle school is brutal.

 

[ptbw forever]

I'll disagree with you. some words drive kids to suicide. so that is just flat out wrong.

If words drive a kid to suicide, they had problems anyways, honestly. Kids should understand words don't harm you. YOU let words harm you.

sometimes words are evil. that is just a fact. They can cut a kid to the bone.

If you let them.

Again, I teach little kids, but I am already facing the hurtful words issues. "Sam called me a baby!" To which I reply, "Well, is that true? Are you a baby?" And they say, "No." Then I tell the child to go back, tell Sam they are not a baby, and find a nicer friend to play with.

It works for little kids, but I also think it starts building a foundation to not believe or take to heart everything someone tells you.

That only works when they are younger and the "bullies" aren't really trying to do damage.

Being called a "baby" in preschool is harmless compared to being called a "baby" in middle school when you are being assaulted and you are depressed about it.

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

 

[tycho1572]

The OP is teaching his boy to be a liberal like him and let evil people prevail in all situations.

Don't your god loving ass have some more hate to disperse on this forum?
That's what I thought, faggot.

People are tired of parents like you. You're part of the problem kids are dealing with.

 

[koshergrl]

I teach my children that violence is always the answer. To all life's problems. Teacher assigns too much homework? Beat that ass! McD's forgot your nuggets? Beat that ass! Old lady taking too much time at the store for lottery tickets? Yup, you guess it! Beat that ass!

Those words hurt me like a punch!
Step up and take your medicine you bully!

 

[ptbw forever]

you would be wrong

sometimes, telling the teacher makes things worse

kid needs to learn discernment - I agree that violence is a last resort, but, if a kid were hitting a girl and I found out my son didn't step in, he'd get in trouble for that

my son would also be in trouble with me if another kid hit him & he ran away to go cry to the teacher; a trip to the priciple's office is FAR BETTER than having the other kids think you are weak & easy prey...

that's 2 situations where violence is warranted and the most appropriate reaction

I teach young children, who literally have no time where there isn't an adult nearby. They don't have the capacity to decide when "enough is enough" at that age. Like I said, telling the teacher isn't frowned upon at this age.

that's true. But it will be in middle school.

Yeah, well, there's a reason why I don't teach middle school. Telling becomes "snitching", it's cool to hate school (and teachers), and they smell bad.

If you don't teach middle school, then you are literally missing half the battle.

Bullying in elementary school and kindergarten is harmless compared to that.

Middle school is brutal.

Sadly High School and even College are almost just as bad in most supposed institutions of learning.

 

[ricechickie]

If words drive a kid to suicide, they had problems anyways, honestly. Kids should understand words don't harm you. YOU let words harm you.

sometimes words are evil. that is just a fact. They can cut a kid to the bone.

If you let them.

Again, I teach little kids, but I am already facing the hurtful words issues. "Sam called me a baby!" To which I reply, "Well, is that true? Are you a baby?" And they say, "No." Then I tell the child to go back, tell Sam they are not a baby, and find a nicer friend to play with.

It works for little kids, but I also think it starts building a foundation to not believe or take to heart everything someone tells you.

That only works when they are younger and the "bullies" aren't really trying to do damage.

Being called a "baby" in preschool is harmless compared to being called a "baby" in middle school when you are being assaulted and you are depressed about it.

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

If you are depressed, then it's not caused by disgust with others. Depression is disgust turned inwards.

 

[koshergrl]

One of my coworkers' sons is going to juvenile court next week for assault because he smacked a classmate in the head for repeatedly calling him a faggot. Kid warned him but the other kid wouldn't stop. So my coworker's son hit him. Kid wasn't hurt--no blood or bruises. His parents pressed charges and the D.A. decided to "make an example of him" because they were getting sick of the fights at the high school. So this kid, who is really not a bad kid and definitely not a bully, is going to have a juvenile record. The most ironic part is, this past week while they were on break, the two boys were back to hanging out together. No issues. If only his parents could let the storm clouds pass like that.

I have a grandson going through the same thing. He ended up punching that kid for constantly calling him a fking retard. My grandson has Cerebral Palsey. The kid was pushing him and taunting him in class. At times, it is necessary to make a point. Even if the point is a punch. It is to gain leverage back that you lose to the taunt.

The bully kid hasn't gone after him again.

There had to be more to your coworkers story.

See, the difference..your grandson had hands laid upon him.

You get to defend yourself.

You don't get to punch people in the face for calling names. Sorry.

sure you do. why do you suppose some kids commit suicide? you have to come out and play once and awhile to see the world correctly. words can hurt as much as a punch.

They commit suicide because they aren't allowed to punch people in the face?
Then they have mental issues and probably should be institutionalized.

And while words may hurt as much as a punch, if you let them, the pure fact is that it's illegal to punch people in the face for speaking words that *hurt* you.

Jesus Christ, Koshergirl. You'll have everyone institutionalized before long!

It is my most fervent wish.

 

[mdk]

I teach my children that violence is always the answer. To all life's problems. Teacher assigns too much homework? Beat that ass! McD's forgot your nuggets? Beat that ass! Old lady taking too much time at the store for lottery tickets? Yup, you guess it! Beat that ass!

Those words hurt me like a punch!
Step up and take your medicine you bully!

Please tell me that your medicine is either: one of your baked goods or strong ass hooch? lol

 

[koshergrl]

I teach young children, who literally have no time where there isn't an adult nearby. They don't have the capacity to decide when "enough is enough" at that age. Like I said, telling the teacher isn't frowned upon at this age.

that's true. But it will be in middle school.

Yeah, well, there's a reason why I don't teach middle school. Telling becomes "snitching", it's cool to hate school (and teachers), and they smell bad.

If you don't teach middle school, then you are literally missing half the battle.

Bullying in elementary school and kindergarten is harmless compared to that.

Middle school is brutal.

Sadly High School and even College are almost just as bad in most supposed institutions of learning.

Well the kids are supposedly better equipped at that age to deal with it.

Middle school is terrible because they haven't developed skills to deal with the nastiness of others...plus on the other side, the bullies haven't learned to hold back and often are enjoying a big growth/hormone spurt that makes them potentially lethal.

 

[ptbw forever]

sometimes words are evil. that is just a fact. They can cut a kid to the bone.

If you let them.

Again, I teach little kids, but I am already facing the hurtful words issues. "Sam called me a baby!" To which I reply, "Well, is that true? Are you a baby?" And they say, "No." Then I tell the child to go back, tell Sam they are not a baby, and find a nicer friend to play with.

It works for little kids, but I also think it starts building a foundation to not believe or take to heart everything someone tells you.

That only works when they are younger and the "bullies" aren't really trying to do damage.

Being called a "baby" in preschool is harmless compared to being called a "baby" in middle school when you are being assaulted and you are depressed about it.

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

If you are depressed, then it's not caused by disgust with others. Depression is disgust turned inwards.

You should not be allowed to teach kids if that is truly how you feel.

 

[tycho1572]

Your kid did the right thing, TNHarley. It's unfortunate his father was too stupid to see that.

 

[ricechickie]

If you let them.

Again, I teach little kids, but I am already facing the hurtful words issues. "Sam called me a baby!" To which I reply, "Well, is that true? Are you a baby?" And they say, "No." Then I tell the child to go back, tell Sam they are not a baby, and find a nicer friend to play with.

It works for little kids, but I also think it starts building a foundation to not believe or take to heart everything someone tells you.

That only works when they are younger and the "bullies" aren't really trying to do damage.

Being called a "baby" in preschool is harmless compared to being called a "baby" in middle school when you are being assaulted and you are depressed about it.

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

If you are depressed, then it's not caused by disgust with others. Depression is disgust turned inwards.

You should not be allowed to teach kids if that is truly how you feel.

Because I know what depression is?

You know, it's cool if you disagree with me, but if you're going to attack my very professional life, go fuck yourself.

 

[ptbw forever]

that's true. But it will be in middle school.

Yeah, well, there's a reason why I don't teach middle school. Telling becomes "snitching", it's cool to hate school (and teachers), and they smell bad.

If you don't teach middle school, then you are literally missing half the battle.

Bullying in elementary school and kindergarten is harmless compared to that.

Middle school is brutal.

Sadly High School and even College are almost just as bad in most supposed institutions of learning.

Well the kids are supposedly better equipped at that age to deal with it.

Middle school is terrible because they haven't developed skills to deal with the nastiness of others...plus on the other side, the bullies haven't learned to hold back and often are enjoying a big growth/hormone spurt that makes them potentially lethal.

They really AREN'T better equipped though(which is why college KIDS literally needed therapy after Hillary lost).

Kids nowadays are just taught that "bullies grow up" and somehow getting older magically makes them stop being a dumbass.

Suicides will be the only reprieve for some of these kids as liberals completely destroy any defense they once had from bullying and even worse, they are taught to internalize it all.

 

[ptbw forever]

That only works when they are younger and the "bullies" aren't really trying to do damage.

Being called a "baby" in preschool is harmless compared to being called a "baby" in middle school when you are being assaulted and you are depressed about it.

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

If you are depressed, then it's not caused by disgust with others. Depression is disgust turned inwards.

You should not be allowed to teach kids if that is truly how you feel.

Because I know what depression is?

You know, it's cool if you disagree with me, but if you're going to attack my very professional life, go fuck yourself.

That isn't what depression is.

You are teaching kids that THEY are to blame for feeling miserable.

Depression is much more than guilt or low self-esteem.

 

[ricechickie]

If you let that bother you. Sorry, but that's the case. Verbal abuse shouldn't be tolerated at school, but violence isn't the cure for it.

It is not about "letting" it bother you, it is about your overwhelming disgust with people that completely disregard your needs and feelings as a human being.

If you are depressed, then it's not caused by disgust with others. Depression is disgust turned inwards.

You should not be allowed to teach kids if that is truly how you feel.

Because I know what depression is?

You know, it's cool if you disagree with me, but if you're going to attack my very professional life, go fuck yourself.

That isn't what depression is.

You are teaching kids that THEY are to blame for feeling miserable.

Depression is much more than guilt or low self-esteem.

I know. And I also know that no one can "give" you depression by being mean.

 

[OldLady]

I teach my children that violence is always the answer. To all life's problems. Teacher assigns too much homework? Beat that ass! McD's forgot your nuggets? Beat that ass! Old lady taking too much time at the store for lottery tickets? Yup, you guess it! Beat that ass!

Those words hurt me like a punch!
Step up and take your medicine you bully!

Please tell me that your medicine is either: one of your baked goods or strong ass hooch? lol

Request her cough syrup. Good stuff.

 

[RodISHI]

So he told me one of his friends at school was getting picked on by a bigger kid. He sat idle for a while but got tired of it and hit him in the face.
I sat him down and explained that he should never use violence to protest violence or bullying. It only leads to more violence. I appreciate the loyalty, bravery and friendship, but he handled the situation wrong.
He told me I was right. Here is some exact words "you are right daddy. It doesn't make much sense to fight meanness with more meanness." I told him its put him on the same level that he is fighting against.
In fact, he has no problem admitting when he is wrong. Ever. And I think that is fucking GREAT.
I thought to myself, this boy is intellectually honest and logical. He is fucking smarter than half the country.
Im talking to YOU you fascist nut jobs! My second grader is smarter than you. How does that make you feel?
Hypocrisy solves NOTHING. Grow up America.
PS im not teaching my kid not to defend himself. Apparently people cant read that it wasn't HIM that was being talked about.
Words are NOT a reason to get violent.

Be tough to say one way or another if you were not in that situation. I must say sometimes are bullies that need a punch in the nose. Perhaps the bully may have learned something about running his mouth and perhaps not. You never know for sure until later.

Had an older teen with a car chasing son once because son flipped him and his buddies off. Caught them with son trying to get away from the car in a rough, full of trash lot next to our place. The older boy was trying to justify chasing son with his car and claimed they were not out to hurt him just teach him a lesson. I pointed out a pipe sticking up out of the ground and asked concerning being flipped off, "Did it hurt you?" The boys in the car were silent. I asked them their ages and they were silent. They were all 5 to 7 years older than son. I then asked ,"What would you have done if he had tripped and fallen on that while trying to get away from you guys?". The young man was very ashamed as he hadn't thought about it. That same young man (the car driver) committed suicide about seven years later. My guess would be his home life wasn't to grand.