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Completely unrelated to the discussion at hand. I suppose you think that if you fling enough snark at people, they'll momentarily forget how ignorant your pathetic excuse for argumentation is.You seem to be confusing moral with ethical. Ethics are objective, morals are dependent on the individual. This means that the statement "Your ethics" is nonsensical at best.No. They have no legitimacy to demand that I murder anyone, especially on their behalf. They're just an organization of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers, who write opinions on paper, and back them with violence. I have no moral or ethical obligation to do anything they demand of me, and in fact, if they demand that I initiate force against someone else, I have a moral and ethical obligation NOT to do as I'm told.Not my ethics, objective ethics. Feelings are irrelevant. If you had an argument against deontological ethics, you'd have made it instead of making filler posts. I suspect you're only responding, despite having no argument, to make yourself feel better. That would make your previous post projection.
Ok. I'll go there for a few minutes. I have a question. If the USA were to draft you, and tell you that you are going to go to some country in the Middle East, and kill people who live there whose religion offends us, would you go?
Well, good for you! So, I have now established that at least one of your ethics is as valid as mine! Congratulations!
Tell me, Pumpkin, just how many angels CAN dance of the head of a pin?
You STILL have not explained to me, in any logical way, how you will stop/prevent a woman from having an abortion if that is her decision.You really struggle with LOGIC, dont you!
You don't because you aren't willing to follow that path to it's logical conclusion. Which is your brave new MAGA world where the state controls all human reproduction.
I'll never submit to that and neither will the majority of our society. You lose.
You STILL have not come to the realization that laws do not prevent unacceptable actions, they punish them.
So yes, if abortion were to become illegal, many women would likely still pursue them. You'll always be able to roll the dice - you will NOT be able to dictate how they land.
Pro lifers tend to get very hazy when talking about making abortions illegal. What you fail to remember is that the only people being punished are MD's who perform them. Do you really think that the USA would be a better place if more MD's are in prison? Secondly, it is all academic anyway, because MD's would just go back to doing D&C's again, like they did before Roe. So, what have you accomplished?
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Ok, so you want to go back to the Middle Ages, when even the mother would forfeit her freedom, or life, because that was when the church ruled the world. There was no punishment for the mother in the US before Roe. Maybe bring back burning at the stake?
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Completely unrelated to the discussion at hand. I suppose you think that if you fling enough snark at people, they'll momentarily forget how ignorant your pathetic excuse for argumentation is.You seem to be confusing moral with ethical. Ethics are objective, morals are dependent on the individual. This means that the statement "Your ethics" is nonsensical at best.No. They have no legitimacy to demand that I murder anyone, especially on their behalf. They're just an organization of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers, who write opinions on paper, and back them with violence. I have no moral or ethical obligation to do anything they demand of me, and in fact, if they demand that I initiate force against someone else, I have a moral and ethical obligation NOT to do as I'm told.Ok. I'll go there for a few minutes. I have a question. If the USA were to draft you, and tell you that you are going to go to some country in the Middle East, and kill people who live there whose religion offends us, would you go?
Well, good for you! So, I have now established that at least one of your ethics is as valid as mine! Congratulations!
Tell me, Pumpkin, just how many angels CAN dance of the head of a pin?
You STILL have not explained to me, in any logical way, how you will stop/prevent a woman from having an abortion if that is her decision.You really struggle with LOGIC, dont you!Rape has disappeared from our world? Since when?
You don't because you aren't willing to follow that path to it's logical conclusion. Which is your brave new MAGA world where the state controls reproduction.
I'll never submit to that and neither will the majority our society. You lose.
OH MY GOSH. You are dense. That is not the issue! That is nothing but a red herring.
Furthermore, you're simply wrong. Abortion restrictions actually DO lessen the number of abortions. Again, watch this video, she thoroughly debunks that myth:
But even if that wasn't the case, even if laws DON'T make a difference at all (which is false), it's STILL irrelevant to the question of whether or not abortion is justified. Which is the crux of the abortion debate.
The crux of YOUR debate, not mine. I'm done with this lifelong debate. Tired of it. Finished.
Now I Just Say No. Along with the other pro-choice women and plenty of pro-choice men.
Welp that was fast--came in like a barrel of rifles, left saying you're done with the debate. That's because you were trounced, but at least you sort of admit it.
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
It's not 'my' debate, it's the abortion debate overall. And I don't blame you for being tired of this debate, it does get tiring. But I hope that at some point you will try to set aside your preconceived ideas and do some honest introspection. I was once on the other side of this debate, and eventually I changed my mind. It happens, more than you think. I'm not saying you will, but when it comes to ANYTHING, pride and stubbornness are blinding, and prevents one from learning and growing.
You STILL have not explained to me, in any logical way, how you will stop/prevent a woman from having an abortion if that is her decision.You really struggle with LOGIC, dont you!
You don't because you aren't willing to follow that path to it's logical conclusion. Which is your brave new MAGA world where the state controls reproduction.
I'll never submit to that and neither will the majority our society. You lose.
OH MY GOSH. You are dense. That is not the issue! That is nothing but a red herring.
Furthermore, you're simply wrong. Abortion restrictions actually DO lessen the number of abortions. Again, watch this video, she thoroughly debunks that myth:
But even if that wasn't the case, even if laws DON'T make a difference at all (which is false), it's STILL irrelevant to the question of whether or not abortion is justified. Which is the crux of the abortion debate.
The crux of YOUR debate, not mine. I'm done with this lifelong debate. Tired of it. Finished.
Now I Just Say No. Along with the other pro-choice women and plenty of pro-choice men.
Welp that was fast--came in like a barrel of rifles, left saying you're done with the debate. That's because you were trounced, but at least you sort of admit it.
Negative! You haven't trounced shit. "NotYourBody sucked the "pro-life" bs right out of you. But I'm here anytime you need consultation.
Claiming to be pragmatic isn't an argument, it holds no explanatory power, it's just a buzzword. If you're not open to discussion, you should have erased your post instead of replying, you'd have saved yourself some embarrassment.Completely unrelated to the discussion at hand. I suppose you think that if you fling enough snark at people, they'll momentarily forget how ignorant your pathetic excuse for argumentation is.You seem to be confusing moral with ethical. Ethics are objective, morals are dependent on the individual. This means that the statement "Your ethics" is nonsensical at best.No. They have no legitimacy to demand that I murder anyone, especially on their behalf. They're just an organization of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers, who write opinions on paper, and back them with violence. I have no moral or ethical obligation to do anything they demand of me, and in fact, if they demand that I initiate force against someone else, I have a moral and ethical obligation NOT to do as I'm told.
Well, good for you! So, I have now established that at least one of your ethics is as valid as mine! Congratulations!
Tell me, Pumpkin, just how many angels CAN dance of the head of a pin?
I am a pragmatic, Pumpkin. If you want to talk about my post 1629, feel free. I am not even a little interested in parsing sentences and words of ethical philosophy, which leads nowhere.
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
The tide is turning against abortion and you know it. That's why your flailing all over this thread like a lunatic. It's called desperation, sweetie. You WILL see abortion dramatically restricted, if not made outright illegal, in your lifetime. Get ready.
It's not 'my' debate, it's the abortion debate overall. And I don't blame you for being tired of this debate, it does get tiring. But I hope that at some point you will try to set aside your preconceived ideas and do some honest introspection. I was once on the other side of this debate, and eventually I changed my mind. It happens, more than you think. I'm not saying you will, but when it comes to ANYTHING, pride and stubbornness are blinding, and prevents one from learning and growing.
Oh gosh no! Have you not comprehended anything I've said? Let me make it crystal clear.
I will NEVER allow state control of my reproductive system. N.E.V.E.R. I will fight you with every fiber of my being and every weapon available to me if you try to take that control from me.
Is that clear?
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
The tide is turning against abortion and you know it. That's why your flailing all over this thread like a lunatic. It's called desperation, sweetie. You WILL see abortion dramatically restricted, if not made outright illegal, in your lifetime. Get ready.
It's not 'my' debate, it's the abortion debate overall. And I don't blame you for being tired of this debate, it does get tiring. But I hope that at some point you will try to set aside your preconceived ideas and do some honest introspection. I was once on the other side of this debate, and eventually I changed my mind. It happens, more than you think. I'm not saying you will, but when it comes to ANYTHING, pride and stubbornness are blinding, and prevents one from learning and growing.
Oh gosh no! Have you not comprehended anything I've said? Let me make it crystal clear.
I will NEVER allow state control of my reproductive system. N.E.V.E.R. I will fight you with every fiber of my being and every weapon available to me if you try to take that control from me.
Is that clear?
The state already controls you, moonbat. We've been over this already. Your desperation is showing again.
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
The tide is turning against abortion and you know it. That's why your flailing all over this thread like a lunatic. It's called desperation, sweetie. You WILL see abortion dramatically restricted, if not made outright illegal, in your lifetime. Get ready.
I'm ready. I've been ready. Come for me pal.
Also, I promise I will NEVER try to stop you from trying to get those laws passed.
It's not 'my' debate, it's the abortion debate overall. And I don't blame you for being tired of this debate, it does get tiring. But I hope that at some point you will try to set aside your preconceived ideas and do some honest introspection. I was once on the other side of this debate, and eventually I changed my mind. It happens, more than you think. I'm not saying you will, but when it comes to ANYTHING, pride and stubbornness are blinding, and prevents one from learning and growing.
Oh gosh no! Have you not comprehended anything I've said? Let me make it crystal clear.
I will NEVER allow state control of my reproductive system. N.E.V.E.R. I will fight you with every fiber of my being and every weapon available to me if you try to take that control from me.
Is that clear?
Regardless of whether or not you ever admit it, you WILL eventually learn that you're wrong. Mark my words.
It's not 'my' debate, it's the abortion debate overall. And I don't blame you for being tired of this debate, it does get tiring. But I hope that at some point you will try to set aside your preconceived ideas and do some honest introspection. I was once on the other side of this debate, and eventually I changed my mind. It happens, more than you think. I'm not saying you will, but when it comes to ANYTHING, pride and stubbornness are blinding, and prevents one from learning and growing.
Oh gosh no! Have you not comprehended anything I've said? Let me make it crystal clear.
I will NEVER allow state control of my reproductive system. N.E.V.E.R. I will fight you with every fiber of my being and every weapon available to me if you try to take that control from me.
Is that clear?
The state already controls you, moonbat. We've been over this already. Your desperation is showing again.
No. I am still in full control of my uterus.
You STILL have not explained to me, in any logical way, how you will stop/prevent a woman from having an abortion if that is her decision.
You don't because you aren't willing to follow that path to it's logical conclusion. Which is your brave new MAGA world where the state controls reproduction.
I'll never submit to that and neither will the majority our society. You lose.
OH MY GOSH. You are dense. That is not the issue! That is nothing but a red herring.
Furthermore, you're simply wrong. Abortion restrictions actually DO lessen the number of abortions. Again, watch this video, she thoroughly debunks that myth:
But even if that wasn't the case, even if laws DON'T make a difference at all (which is false), it's STILL irrelevant to the question of whether or not abortion is justified. Which is the crux of the abortion debate.
The crux of YOUR debate, not mine. I'm done with this lifelong debate. Tired of it. Finished.
Now I Just Say No. Along with the other pro-choice women and plenty of pro-choice men.
Welp that was fast--came in like a barrel of rifles, left saying you're done with the debate. That's because you were trounced, but at least you sort of admit it.
Negative! You haven't trounced shit. "NotYourBody sucked the "pro-life" bs right out of you. But I'm here anytime you need consultation.
Hahahaha, sure. If you haven't noticed NotYourBody is not even responding to me anymore, so soundly did I trounce her arguments--if you can call them that.
There are no valid arguments for being pro-choice other than convenience and, at heart, selfish desires. When I saw that, long about 25 years ago, I changed from pro-choice to pro-life. The ONLY reason I was formerly pro-choice is that I was too young, busy and foolish to have ever really looked at the arguments, and past the talking points, with any amount of critical thinking. Once I did, the whole thing went up in smoke.
You STILL have not explained to me, in any logical way, how you will stop/prevent a woman from having an abortion if that is her decision.
You don't because you aren't willing to follow that path to it's logical conclusion. Which is your brave new MAGA world where the state controls reproduction.
I'll never submit to that and neither will the majority our society. You lose.
OH MY GOSH. You are dense. That is not the issue! That is nothing but a red herring.
Furthermore, you're simply wrong. Abortion restrictions actually DO lessen the number of abortions. Again, watch this video, she thoroughly debunks that myth:
But even if that wasn't the case, even if laws DON'T make a difference at all (which is false), it's STILL irrelevant to the question of whether or not abortion is justified. Which is the crux of the abortion debate.
The crux of YOUR debate, not mine. I'm done with this lifelong debate. Tired of it. Finished.
Now I Just Say No. Along with the other pro-choice women and plenty of pro-choice men.
Welp that was fast--came in like a barrel of rifles, left saying you're done with the debate. That's because you were trounced, but at least you sort of admit it.
Negative! You haven't trounced shit. "NotYourBody sucked the "pro-life" bs right out of you. But I'm here anytime you need consultation.
Hahahaha, sure. If you haven't noticed NotYourBody is not even responding to me anymore, so soundly did I trounce her arguments--if you can call them that.
There are no valid arguments for being pro-choice other than convenience and, at heart, selfish desires. When I saw that, long about 25 years ago, I changed from pro-choice to pro-life. The ONLY reason I was formerly pro-choice is that I was too young, busy and foolish to have ever really looked at the arguments, and past the talking points, with any amount of critical thinking. Once I did, the whole thing went up in smoke.
I will continue.Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
The tide is turning against abortion and you know it. That's why your flailing all over this thread like a lunatic. It's called desperation, sweetie. You WILL see abortion dramatically restricted, if not made outright illegal, in your lifetime. Get ready.
I'm ready. I've been ready. Come for me pal.
Also, I promise I will NEVER try to stop you from trying to get those laws passed.
By all means, continue. Those fat sexless hags running around in pussy hats have surely been a boon for your cause...
Yes. Anyone who intentionally kills an innocent in the womb, absent extenuating circumstances, deserves life in prison. IDGAF what their salutation is. As far as I'm concerned the doctor and the mother should rot together.
Life in prison no parole. Very good. That woman will NEVER have another abortion. Problem solved.
Like I said to another poster. Advocate for that. Convince society. Go for it. It's the only power you have. There's always a chance.
The tide is turning against abortion and you know it. That's why your flailing all over this thread like a lunatic. It's called desperation, sweetie. You WILL see abortion dramatically restricted, if not made outright illegal, in your lifetime. Get ready.
