Myanmar Is Starving Rohingya Muslims Out of Their Villages: Reports

[Lastamender]

Meanwhile we have Buddhists persecuting and slaughtering minorities in their countries.

You and I have gotten into "verse wars" before in other threads - I've presented my arguments with sources to support them, on both verses and on what abrogation means. I'm not going to repeat it because you aren't interested in hearing it.

Let's be logical here, if "they" intend to destroy everything that is not Islamic, "they" would have done so centuries ago. But "they" didn't. Therefore there is something wrong about your understanding gof "them".

No, they were stopped militarily. And their backwards culture left them in the industrial and technical dust. Oil money revived jihad on a large scale and continues to fund Islamic terror.

And there is nothing wrong with my understanding and you saying they(Islam) ever had the power to conquer all is a lie. Just another piss poor and laughable excuse.

Almost 2 Billion people can create a shitload of bloodshed around the world if they were as horrific as you claim

Not when half are dirt poor(well over half) and illiterate(almost exactly half). Another stupid excuse that takes absolutely no thought on anyone's part to dismiss.

You know...that's actually kind of .... stupid.

It doesn't take much literacy or wealth to have a violent uprising. Ponder that while you study history.

It does take stupid people to import them.

 

[Lastamender]

Neither is Islam
It sure is, would you like to see the verses that prove it? And I think I have asked you before what do you think is the most important thing to know about Islam? I would think that would be they intend to destroy everything that is not Islamic. And that includes using terror. What else is there to understand?

You have an enemy of free will and freedom of choice. How can't you condemn it?

You and I have gotten into "verse wars" before in other threads - I've presented my arguments with sources to support them, on both verses and on what abrogation means. I'm not going to repeat it because you aren't interested in hearing it.

Let's be logical here, if "they" intend to destroy everything that is not Islamic, "they" would have done so centuries ago. But "they" didn't. Therefore there is something wrong about your understanding gof "them".

No, they were stopped militarily. And their backwards culture left them in the industrial and technical dust. Oil money revived jihad on a large scale and continues to fund Islamic terror.

Muslims around the world have been living peacefully for centuries. They weren't stopped militarily anymore than Christianity was.

Maybe because Christianity is compatible with freedom, Islam is not.

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

 

[Coyote]

You and I have gotten into "verse wars" before in other threads - I've presented my arguments with sources to support them, on both verses and on what abrogation means. I'm not going to repeat it because you aren't interested in hearing it.

Let's be logical here, if "they" intend to destroy everything that is not Islamic, "they" would have done so centuries ago. But "they" didn't. Therefore there is something wrong about your understanding gof "them".

No, they were stopped militarily. And their backwards culture left them in the industrial and technical dust. Oil money revived jihad on a large scale and continues to fund Islamic terror.

Muslims around the world have been living peacefully for centuries. They weren't stopped militarily anymore than Christianity was.

Maybe because Christianity is compatible with freedom, Islam is not.

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

 

[Lastamender]

No, they were stopped militarily. And their backwards culture left them in the industrial and technical dust. Oil money revived jihad on a large scale and continues to fund Islamic terror.

Muslims around the world have been living peacefully for centuries. They weren't stopped militarily anymore than Christianity was.

Maybe because Christianity is compatible with freedom, Islam is not.

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

 

[Coyote]

Muslims around the world have been living peacefully for centuries. They weren't stopped militarily anymore than Christianity was.

Maybe because Christianity is compatible with freedom, Islam is not.

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

 

[Lastamender]

Maybe because Christianity is compatible with freedom, Islam is not.

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

 

[Coyote]

Not really. Secularism is. Christianity...like it's sibling religions, requires absolute obedience.

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

 

[Lastamender]

If it did, Christians would not forgive.

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

Love for the Muslims, the believers, and the people of your house what you love for yourself; and hate for them and the people of your house what you hate for yourself, and then you will be a believer; be a good neighbor to whomever will be your neighbor among the people and you will be a Muslim.”

See the first three words? And the last three. Dual ethic.

 

[Coyote]

Forgiveness and obedience are two completely different things.

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

Love for the Muslims, the believers, and the people of your house what you love for yourself; and hate for them and the people of your house what you hate for yourself, and then you will be a believer; be a good neighbor to whomever will be your neighbor among the people and you will be a Muslim.”

See the first three words? And the last three. Dual ethic.

An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:

الأولىأنيحملذلكعلىعمومالأخوةحتىيشملالكافروالمسلمفيحبلأخيهالكافرمايحبلنفسهمندخولهفيالإسلامكمايحبلأخيهالمسلمدوامهعلىالإسلامولهذاكانالدعاءبالهدايةللكافرمستحباوالمرادبالمحبةإرادةالخيروالمنفعةثمالمرادالمحبةالدينيةلاالمحبةالبشرية

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

 

[Lastamender]

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The golden rule, or the ethics of reciprocity, is an Islamic moral principle which calls upon people to treat others the way they would like to be treated.

They neglect to tell you to qualify as "people" you must be a Muslim.
Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

 

[Lastamender]

Your changing the subject. But if you are obedient you will forgive, and if not obedient you will be forgiven. They are closer than you think. But you have demonstrated you don't think critically, so...................

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

Love for the Muslims, the believers, and the people of your house what you love for yourself; and hate for them and the people of your house what you hate for yourself, and then you will be a believer; be a good neighbor to whomever will be your neighbor among the people and you will be a Muslim.”

See the first three words? And the last three. Dual ethic.

An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:

الأولىأنيحملذلكعلىعمومالأخوةحتىيشملالكافروالمسلمفيحبلأخيهالكافرمايحبلنفسهمندخولهفيالإسلامكمايحبلأخيهالمسلمدوامهعلىالإسلامولهذاكانالدعاءبالهدايةللكافرمستحباوالمرادبالمحبةإرادةالخيروالمنفعةثمالمرادالمحبةالدينيةلاالمحبةالبشرية

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious
“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13][/QUOTE]

Did you not see those?

 

[Coyote]

Good point, but you contradict yourself. Christianity requires obedience to God (as do other religions) - and God says to forgive. Forgiveness is obedience.

It's a good philosophy and like the Golden Rule...a common one.

The reward of the evil is the evil thereof, but whosoever forgives and makes amends, his reward is upon God.

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

Love for the Muslims, the believers, and the people of your house what you love for yourself; and hate for them and the people of your house what you hate for yourself, and then you will be a believer; be a good neighbor to whomever will be your neighbor among the people and you will be a Muslim.”

See the first three words? And the last three. Dual ethic.

An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:

الأولىأنيحملذلكعلىعمومالأخوةحتىيشملالكافروالمسلمفيحبلأخيهالكافرمايحبلنفسهمندخولهفيالإسلامكمايحبلأخيهالمسلمدوامهعلىالإسلامولهذاكانالدعاءبالهدايةللكافرمستحباوالمرادبالمحبةإرادةالخيروالمنفعةثمالمرادالمحبةالدينيةلاالمحبةالبشرية

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious
“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

Did you not see those?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Do you not see the parallel to Christianity? That their greatest love is to see their fellows experience the love of God through Christ? It is not loving a disbeliever because he is a disbeliever but in hopes of he will one day join them in Christ and experience the love they know. Agape not Eros.

Comparative Religions...best course I ever took.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Klingon Pushing Advantages "

* Granting Absolution From Consequence *

Please share . " What you believe it takes to make a buddhist angry enough to do such a thing ? Are such actions part of a buddhist creed ? "

Because they are humans, and like all humans - they can be just as violent, close minded, and intolerant as every other religion.
The darker side of Buddhism

" Because they are humans " is provisional answer that ignores other contributing factors , one of which you mentioned as arrogance of belief .

The qurayn institutionalizes the precepts for domination and advocates the utility of aggression ( illegitimate as well ) for the implementation of fictional ishmaelism .

To promulgate its aggression requires only the means and the most concerning means is through its statistical incidence within a populace .

Do you honestly believe that wherever a statistical majority , or even a statistical minority , of fictional ishmaelism adherents exist , that you would wish to live there or even contend with its hisbah in public policy ?

* Blinders *

Neither is Islam. Shame on you.
If all those Muslims took "this very seriously" - the whole world would be Muslim by now. Your logic, or at best your understanding of Islam is very faulty

There are limits to what is possible and it did not because it could not and not for a lack of expectation to " manifest it over all religion " .

The tenet of fictional ishmaelism is that of surah 47:35 " So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and God is with you and will never deprive you of the reward of] your deeds. " .

There is not any apologetic from its creed as it perceives that whatever is done to the non believer is better than what the non believer would do to itself .

 

[Lastamender]

There is no Golden rule in Islam. Again, dual ethics void it. Period.

Only if you believe Jihad Watch and other hate sites.

Golden Rule in Islam | islam.ru

Love for the Muslims, the believers, and the people of your house what you love for yourself; and hate for them and the people of your house what you hate for yourself, and then you will be a believer; be a good neighbor to whomever will be your neighbor among the people and you will be a Muslim.”

See the first three words? And the last three. Dual ethic.

An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:

الأولىأنيحملذلكعلىعمومالأخوةحتىيشملالكافروالمسلمفيحبلأخيهالكافرمايحبلنفسهمندخولهفيالإسلامكمايحبلأخيهالمسلمدوامهعلىالإسلامولهذاكانالدعاءبالهدايةللكافرمستحباوالمرادبالمحبةإرادةالخيروالمنفعةثمالمرادالمحبةالدينيةلاالمحبةالبشرية

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious
“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

“It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

Did you not see those?

Yes. Do you not see the parallel to Christianity? That their greatest love is to see their fellows experience the love of God through Christ? It is not loving a disbeliever because he is a disbeliever but in hopes of he will one day join them in Christ and experience the love they know. Agape not Eros.

Is that where you learned to apologize for Islam? It is clear in Islam unbelievers are not considered human. It is made quite clear not to take any unbeliever as a friend. And also that the unbeliever should be humiliated.

No Golden rule would do that to any human being, but apparently Islam's can? Nope. No Golden Rule in Islam for non-Muslims.

 

[Lastamender]

Why is that post 647 funny Coyote? Be specific.

 

[Syriusly]

Still waiting for anyone to condemn the rape and murder of the Rohinga- other than Coyote and myself.

 

[Lastamender]

Still waiting for anyone to condemn the rape and murder of the Rohinga- other than Coyote and myself.

Everyone has tried to answer your loaded questions. You keep waiting for Islam to change, so what some of have said is no longer the truth, get back to us when it happens.

Coyote left her usual "funny" and ran away. Why do you think that is? It was because she knows Islam is what I say it is and I have proven it every time I get her bullshit answers.


Funny.

 

[Coyote]

If one opposes genocide...then one must oppose what Myanmar is doing to its ethnic Rohinga minority which is widely acknowledged to be genocide. You can’t hide behind the “right of the state” when the state is conducting genocide and still oppose it.

THAT is what I don’t understand Lastmender.

Am I wrong in that interpretation of your statements? I looked at your posts and maybe I missed it, this thread has gotten lengthy...have you ever condemned what Myanmar is doing?

 

[Coyote]

Still waiting for anyone to condemn the rape and murder of the Rohinga- other than Coyote and myself.

Everyone has tried to answer your loaded questions. You keep waiting for Islam to change, so what some of have said is no longer the truth, get back to us when it happens.

Coyote left her usual "funny" and ran away. Why do you think that is? It was because she knows Islam is what I say it is and I have proven it every time I get her bullshit answers.


Funny.

It is funny because you complain about people insulting you but there you were lobbing insults. I actually attempted to answer you seriously for several posts.

 

[Lastamender]

If one opposes genocide...then one must oppose what Myanmar is doing to its ethnic Rohinga minority which is widely acknowledged to be genocide.

THAT is what I don’t understand Lastmender.

Am I wrong in that interpretation of your statements? I looked at your posts and maybe I missed it, this thread has gotten lengthy...have you ever condemned what Myanmar is doing?

You can’t hide behind the “right of the state” when the state is conducting genocide and still oppose it.

I am not hiding behind anything. I still say they have the right to keep more Islam out of their country. Do you question the doctrine of Islam that clearly condones terror? I have not even see you admit it. We will play your game.

Does Islam condone terror to advance the religion?