Nathan Bedford Forrest statue causing controversy

[Dick Tuck]

Lincoln was wrong. No matter what you may think of the Southern states, the Constitution gave Lincoln no authority to invade them.

War doesn't settle matters of truth. It only determines whose version of reality will be rammed down your throat.

Where do you this revisionist crap? Lincoln didn't stop secession. He responded when the Confederacy attacked US troops on what was still federal property. The South didn't negotiate any settlement for that property when Davis gave the order to attack it. To the contrary, Davis was warned that the secession would fail if he didn't start a war.

After the South started an undeclared war, all bets were off.

Link?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Cry-Freedom-Oxford-History/dp/019516895X]Amazon.com: Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States) (9780195168952): James M. McPherson: Books[/ame]

Are you really so stupid not to know that it was the attack on the Federal property at Fort Sumter that was the first act of aggression in the the Civil War?

 

[squeeze berry]

"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit."


Abraham Lincoln
January 12, 1848.

And since those who seceded chose to wage war against the United States, all bets were off.

Mr. Gilchrist, a member of the Alabama legislature, said to Davis and his compeers, " Gentlemen, unless you sprinkle blood in the faces of the people of Alabama, they will be back in the old Union in less than ten days."

Davis immediately gave the order to start the war.

and when Lincoln ill-advisedly declared war on the Confederacy Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia seceded. The result was tens of thousands of dead Yankees.


Tennessee also seceded at the same time as Virginia. Tennessee was Forrest's home state. He had every right to be pissed off.

 

[bodecea]

"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit."


Abraham Lincoln
January 12, 1848.

And since those who seceded chose to wage war against the United States, all bets were off.

Mr. Gilchrist, a member of the Alabama legislature, said to Davis and his compeers, " Gentlemen, unless you sprinkle blood in the faces of the people of Alabama, they will be back in the old Union in less than ten days."

Davis immediately gave the order to start the war.

and when Lincoln ill-advisedly declared war on the Confederacy Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia seceded. The result was tens of thousands of dead Yankees.


Tennessee also seceded at the same time as Virginia. Tennessee was Forrest's home state. He had every right to be pissed off.

Yeah...you're a appeaser.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Where do you this revisionist crap? Lincoln didn't stop secession. He responded when the Confederacy attacked US troops on what was still federal property. The South didn't negotiate any settlement for that property when Davis gave the order to attack it. To the contrary, Davis was warned that the secession would fail if he didn't start a war.

After the South started an undeclared war, all bets were off.

Link?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Cry-Freedom-Oxford-History/dp/019516895X]Amazon.com: Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (Oxford History of the United States) (9780195168952): James M. McPherson: Books[/ame]

Are you really so stupid not to know that it was the attack on the Federal property at Fort Sumter that was the first act of aggression in the the Civil War?

Don't start with your bullshit, Dick, I'm more than aware of what happened at Ft. Sumter.
Buchanan should have withdrawn the troops there when SC seceded, and Lincoln shouldn't have tried to resupply them 4 months later.

As a sovereign state, SC had every right to evict soldiers of a foreign nation from their territory.

And your link goes to a fucking book title and doesn't show what you quoted. I'm sure if you try a little harder you can do better than that.

 

[squeeze berry]

And since those who seceded chose to wage war against the United States, all bets were off.



Davis immediately gave the order to start the war.

and when Lincoln ill-advisedly declared war on the Confederacy Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia seceded. The result was tens of thousands of dead Yankees.


Tennessee also seceded at the same time as Virginia. Tennessee was Forrest's home state. He had every right to be pissed off.

Yeah...you're a appeaser.

much more than that.............



great great grand daddy rode with Mosby

PS if I was in his ^ position i would have done the same thing

 

[Uncensored2008]

He's certainly a documented war criminal, a racist, and a traitor.

It's an inside joke that only Percy will get.

Forest was not a war criminal or a traitor - though he was undoubtedly a racist.

 

[squeeze berry]

what just about everyone fails to understand, except me of course, is that it was a different world in the mid 19th century.

Almost everyone as a racist.

Sir Richard Burton the explorer documented that the natives in Harrar would kill any white man that came to their country. They Harrarans felt themselves superior to the whites.

The blacks along the southeast coat of Africa derisively referred to the interior Africans as " jungli *******"

When you throw out the "racist" tag understand we have a different outlook nowadays

 

[bripat9643]

Amazing there are fools who think that assholes who started a hopeless war so a few rich douchebags could continue to own slaves is worth defending.

Lincoln started the war, jackass.

Lincoln? I could have sworn it was PGT Beuregard in charge of the artillery who fired on Ft. Sumter?

That's because you're a carpetbagger moron who believes the propaganda spoon fed to you in the Lincoln worshiping government schools.

 

[Dick Tuck]

"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit."


Abraham Lincoln
January 12, 1848.

And since those who seceded chose to wage war against the United States, all bets were off.

Mr. Gilchrist, a member of the Alabama legislature, said to Davis and his compeers, " Gentlemen, unless you sprinkle blood in the faces of the people of Alabama, they will be back in the old Union in less than ten days."

Davis immediately gave the order to start the war.

and when Lincoln ill-advisedly declared war on the Confederacy Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia seceded. The result was tens of thousands of dead Yankees.


Tennessee also seceded at the same time as Virginia. Tennessee was Forrest's home state. He had every right to be pissed off.

Virginia seceded after Davis ordered the attack on federal property. Lincoln had no choice but to wage war after Davis started the hostilities. It's appropriate that Lee's slave built estate is now hallow ground for our war dead. Lee sure enough added to the carnage.

 

[bripat9643]

And for the historically challeneged, Beauregard fought against the United States in the War of Southern Aggression.

If it was the war of Southern aggression, then why was it fought almost exclusively on Southern territory?

Do you understand the meaning of the term "aggression?"

Are all you carpetbaggers such obvious morons?

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln settled the issue of slavery by trying to become everyone's master. If we were truly "united" why would some use a thread like this only as an opportunity for taunts and insults?

So your wife leaves and you chase her down, beat the crap outta her, and drag her "home". Now you are truly united! Just don't forget-you gotta sleep sometime.

Yep, that's the kind of "union" Lincoln forged. It was a lesson that Stalin learned well.

 

[bripat9643]

When was the last time you saw a statue erected to a wife beater? Now, tell me again why they want a statute erected to honor NBF?

There are plenty of statues erected to honor mass murderers. You'll find one of the biggest and most pretentious in the Lincoln Memorial.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Lincoln started the war, jackass.

Lincoln? I could have sworn it was PGT Beuregard in charge of the artillery who fired on Ft. Sumter?

That's because you're a carpetbagger moron who believes the propaganda spoon fed to you in the Lincoln worshiping government schools.

Can you name a single article of secession that didn't use the justification of maintaining slavery as a cause? And no, it was Beuragard, under orders from Davis, who even allowed Edmund Ruffin, a Virginian to fire the first ceremonial shot. Ruffin correctly claimed that if the South started a war, Virginia would then also secede.

 

[bripat9643]

Where do you this revisionist crap? Lincoln didn't stop secession. He responded when the Confederacy attacked US troops on what was still federal property. The South didn't negotiate any settlement for that property when Davis gave the order to attack it. To the contrary, Davis was warned that the secession would fail if he didn't start a war.

After the South started an undeclared war, all bets were off.

We've already discussed this Lincoln cult propaganda 100 times in this thread. I'm not going to waste my time educating morons who can't bother to read back in the thread.

 

[bripat9643]

Someone needs to start a soap opera series called 'The Bedford Wives'.

Is Nathan B. Forrest a Mormon?

He's certainly a documented war criminal, a racist, and a traitor.

Nathan B. Forrest is none of those, but Lincoln is everyone of those things.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Lincoln was wrong. End of story, dumbshit.

No, Lincoln was right. That was settled at Appamotox. The Confedaracy was a throwback to feudalism, and died a deserved death. The issue of slavery was settled, and the United States bacame just that. No matter how many people like you hate this nation, it is the United States, and will remain so.

Lincoln settled the issue of slavery by trying to become everyone's master. If we were truly "united" why would some use a thread like this only as an opportunity for taunts and insults?

So your wife leaves and you chase her down, beat the crap outta her, and drag her "home". Now you are truly united! Just don't forget-you gotta sleep sometime.

I'd suggest that it was escaped or freed slaves that settled the slavery issue. Over 180,000 of them decided to fight for the freedom of all slaves. I guess their ol' massas weren't as kindly as the revisionists would have us believe.

 

[Unkotare]

Lincoln started the war, jackass.

Lincoln? I could have sworn it was PGT Beuregard in charge of the artillery who fired on Ft. Sumter?

That's because you're a carpetbagger moron who believes the propaganda spoon fed to you in the Lincoln worshiping government schools.

I see you still don't know what 'carpetbagger' means.

 

[bripat9643]

"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit."


Abraham Lincoln
January 12, 1848.

Classic Lincoln hypocrisy. Lincoln was always invoking God in his speeches even though he never spent a day in church.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Is Nathan B. Forrest a Mormon?

He's certainly a documented war criminal, a racist, and a traitor.

Nathan B. Forrest is none of those, but Lincoln is everyone of those things.

I suggest you study up on the Fort Pillow massacre, where your idol executed captured black soldiers, and sent the white prisoners to Andersonville.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nah, you be a drum beater for the Islamic terrorists, because that is what the southern leaders were, domestic terrorists who paid the price for being such.

"Only those confused by the American narrative and history are confused by why the southerners were wicked individuals and paid a collective price for that wickedness."

That's the same shit the Islamic extemists peddle. Shouldn't you have added somthing about Allah being super-cool or some such?