New Constitutional Amendment: Bills Before Congress; Other Amendments

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Don would still not be able to comprehend any of these.

 

[Pete7469]

If it makes it harder for the feds to regulate shit, it sounds like a good idea.

The states need to step up to the plate and govern without "one size fits all" (therefore rarely fitting any place at all) federal mandates that end up causing more problems than they were intended to fix.

 

[bripat9643]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Instead of pages the limit should be set in terms of words. Other than that, I'm all for it, even though it shouldn't be necessary because the Constitution doesn't allow the executive branch to make laws, which is exactly what occurs when it makes regulations.

 

[bripat9643]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

What do you mean they can't "process it?" They passed a 3000 page ACA, didn't they?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

What do you mean they can't "process it?" They passed a 3000 page ACA, didn't they?

What do you mean they can't "process it?" They passed a 3000 page ACA, didn't they?

Read the OP fool!

No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President.

How many votes for 3000 pages IDIOT!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

That makes it more difficult for our legislature to sneak in a bunch of bullshit and pass the buck to the unelected. Accountability.

And, yes, I have read the CFR and federal register. I'm a lawyer.

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

This is my own creation. It's been on my mind since that ungodly ACA was passed without one motherfucking democrat reading the 3,000 pages.

I have more in mind that I'm sure both Dems and GOPers will absolutely HATE.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

How many votes for 3000 pages IDIOT!

Sounds to me like a bill that should never have been passed.

 

[g5000]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Thanks for showing us just how profoundly ignorant of how our government works you are!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

C'mon now, you know that's unrealistic.


11 double-spaced pages max is more like it.

 

[whitehall]

Interesting that (mostly lefties) would want to strip the President's power of issuing "executive orders" during a republican administration. FDR issued an executive order (9066) for the incarceration of American citizens without due process and Harry Truman sent 50,000 American Troops to die in a bungled Korean War on an executive order and nobody complained.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Thanks for showing us just how profoundly ignorant of how our government works you are!

Really? Do tell.

What about that proposed amendment indicates such "profound ignorance"?

You think I don't know how much regulatory shit is out there? Why would someone like me want to force the legislature to be responsible for all regulation?

Instead of hurling your usual insults, why don't you tell us all why you would not approve the amendment? Are you incapable?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

That makes it more difficult for our legislature to sneak in a bunch of bullshit and pass the buck to the unelected. Accountability.

And, yes, I have read the CFR and federal register. I'm a lawyer.

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

This is my own creation. It's been on my mind since that ungodly ACA was passed without one motherfucking democrat reading the 3,000 pages.

I have more in mind that I'm sure both Dems and GOPers will absolutely HATE.

If you're a lawyer as you claim, you've got a fool for a client!

You Randian Radicals can't get it through your skulls that you'll never herd the cats and other assorted contraries and get them to walk in lock step with your brand of totalitarianism. Pushing toward known unworkable schemes to force the masses to follow is just plain STUPID or a sign of true intent!!

 

[task0778]

Coupla things. First, Every regulation that an executive agency passes is supposed to be pursuant to existing legislation, neither the President nor any of his Cabinet or Agency heads can legally write their own laws. The Courts can strike down any regulation that they believe to be unauthorized by Congress. And the Congress themselves can amend any legislation or write new legislation that precludes the Executive branch from creating rules and regs that it doesn't approve of. And finally, any regulation written or amended by an Executive Agency can be changed by the next President, it ain't permanent except where existing legislation says it is.

That is the way it is supposed to be; reality is somewhat different however, as Presidents have for a long time tried to stretch the limits of their power to implement their policies, and Congress in many cases has allowed them to do so. So, it's up to the Judicial branch to make sure the Executive doesn't go too far. In actuality many presidents have gone too far IMHO, with the ramifications that the Executive Branch has become a little too powerful and the Legislative Branch has allowed itself to be too weak. What we have here is too much unaccountability and not enough responsibility and plain old gumption to do your effing job instead of ceding over your authority to the president when he/she is in your party. And frankly it's on us to vote the bastards out if they aren't doing the job we elected them to do, but we're not doing that. Which I think is a damn good reason to have a 3rd major party out there as an alternative to the Rs and Ds. Maybe not yet at the national (presidential) level, although eventually I'd like to see more than 2 people running for president who actually could be elected.

 

[g5000]

Coupla things. First, Every regulation that an executive agency passes is supposed to be pursuant to existing legislation, neither the President nor any of his Cabinet or Agency heads can legally write their own laws. The Courts can strike down any regulation that they believe to be unauthorized by Congress. And the Congress themselves can amend any legislation or write new legislation that precludes the Executive branch from creating rules and regs that it doesn't approve of. And finally, any regulation written or amended by an Executive Agency can be changed by the next President, it ain't permanent except where existing legislation says it is.

That is the way it is supposed to be; reality is somewhat different however, as Presidents have for a long time tried to stretch the limits of their power to implement their policies, and Congress in many cases has allowed them to do so. So, it's up to the Judicial branch to make sure the Executive doesn't go too far. In actuality many presidents have gone too far IMHO, with the ramifications that the Executive Branch has become a little too powerful and the Legislative Branch has allowed itself to be too weak. What we have here is too much unaccountability and not enough responsibility and plain old gumption to do your effing job instead of ceding over your authority to the president when he/she is in your party. And frankly it's on us to vote the bastards out if they aren't doing the job we elected them to do, but we're not doing that. Which I think is a damn good reason to have a 3rd major party out there as an alternative to the Rs and Ds. Maybe not yet at the national (presidential) level, although eventually I'd like to see more than 2 people running for president who actually could be elected.

Excellent post, and a great description of how things are supposed to work, and how they actually work.

I am divided on the third party idea. In every country where there are more than two major parties, the smaller major (oxymoron!) parties end up with way more leverage than they demograghically represent.

I'd rather see a new party entirely supplant one of the existing parties. This has happened a few times before in America, and it is long overdue to happen again.

 

[g5000]

Just to supplement my last post, we already kind of have some third parties which exercise a lot of outsized leverage in proportion to their sizes.

The Freedom Caucus, the Black Caucus, etc.

 

[bripat9643]

Each federal regulation shall be approved by vote of the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President as legislation. No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President. If all portions of a bill or federal regulation are not approved by the House and Senate, and signed into law by the President, the whole of the bill is null and void, requiring renewed approval of each portion by the House and Senate, and signature of the President.

For purposes of this amendment, a "page" of a bill or federal regulation means a sheet of paper measuring no larger than 8.5 inches wide and 11 inches long, containing type-written text in double-spaced, 12-point, Times New Roman font, with 1 inch margins on all sides.


Would you approve this amendment?

Sure, try that with IRS, VA or DOT regulations. Congress could NEVER process that amount of minutia. Have you ever glanced at the JUST the CFR or the Federal Register? UN-FUCKING-WORKABLE!

From which libertarian website did you dredge this idiocy up?

What do you mean they can't "process it?" They passed a 3000 page ACA, didn't they?

What do you mean they can't "process it?" They passed a 3000 page ACA, didn't they?

Read the OP fool!

No bill or federal regulation, or any portion thereof, presented to or approved by the House or Senate may be signed by the President and become law except that every portion (no longer than 10 pages) of such bill or federal regulation shall require a separate vote by both the House and Senate, and require the separate signature of the President, as well as a final vote on the bill or federal regulation as a whole, in the House and Senate, and signed by the President.

How many votes for 3000 pages IDIOT!

Apparently you believe you're making a point of some kind.

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks for showing us just how profoundly ignorant of how our government works you are!

Really? Do tell.

What about that proposed amendment indicates such "profound ignorance"?

You think I don't know how much regulatory shit is out there? Why would someone like me want to force the legislature to be responsible for all regulation?

Instead of hurling your usual insults, why don't you tell us all why you would not approve the amendment? Are you incapable?

G5000 thinks government has to create millions of pages of regulations.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If you're a lawyer as you claim, you've got a fool for a client!

You fucked that up. It's "if you represent yourself, you have a fool for a client." the idea being that even a lawyer should not represent himself or herself. The emotional involvement clouds judgment and prevents recognition of opportunities or proper outcome evaluation.

You Randian Radicals can't get it through your skulls that you'll never herd the cats and other assorted contraries and get them to walk in lock step with your brand of totalitarianism. Pushing toward known unworkable schemes to force the masses to follow is just plain STUPID or a sign of true intent!!

We are pushing AGAINST totalitarianism. It's only unworkable if citizens take no personal responsibility. Maybe some people shouldn't be citizens. They can't handle it.