New development in the shooting case of the black georgia jogger

[Coyote]

I don't know what happened here, and there could easily be reasons why anyone of us might have shot him

There are zero reasons that Ahmaud Arbery should have been chased followed, harassed, ordered to stop, or have two white men bring their guns to block him from jogging on a public road.

There can’t be that many cowards that would arm up and stalk an unarmed man who is doing nothing but out jogging in broad daylight.
Heads are going to roll in that police department where Goober Sr used to work.

zero reason that you are aware of from behind your computer,,,

IMO the best they will get is disorderly conduct and negligent homicide,,if they try for more these guys will walk,,,

Well they have been charged with murder....but by the time of the trial those charges may be reduced....what we see now is political theater....the local officials trying to keep the natives down on the reservation so to speak aka keep them from rioting, looting and burning.

It will be a tragic miscarriage of justice if they are convicted of anything....but it is a sign of the times we live in that there is often miscarriages of justice when it comes to whites using lethal force to defend themselves against black thugs and criminals.

What is "political theater" here? Two gunmen try to stop a guy jogging, with a third guy in a second vehicle filming the whole thing, with the jogger sandwiched between the gunmen's truck and a guy who just decided to start filming for no reason. Your "whites" were NOT "defending themselves." They were the instigators of this fatal encounter. I'm not black. I am of European background. I think that you are full of shit.

And that's just weird. Who is this person in a second vehicle?

if you educated yourself before talking about a subject you would know the answer to that,,,

When I last was in this thread - he wasn't identified. But then again, your defending murder.

 

[progressive hunter]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

Ok. Let's be clear on this. If some strange men, not legitimate officers of the law, ambush you, and brandish a gun - you are "not being attacked"?

Think carefully about this since it's the basis of several "stand your ground" laws.

please buy a dictionary,,,

 

[Coyote]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

I don't think that he had the opportunity to run away and call the police. Again, what were these thugs doing standing in the middle of the road with guns? Why protect them? At least, finally, two of these thugs are wearing orange jumpsuits now.

what I saw in the video is he had lots of chances to run away,,,if it were me when I was that fit all they would see is my ass from a long distance and getting longer,,,

I also pulled up the area on google maps and he had lots of places to run to,,,

hehheh for sure....but you fail to take into account he was not in fear of his life....otherwise he would not have jogged up to the truck....he may have thought he was playing a game with the white dudes....we cannot really know what he was thinking...but one thing fore sure he was not in fear of his life.

You mean to say he would have turned around and ran the other way?

Oh wait, he already had done that, twice.

So much for that claim.

 

[progressive hunter]

I don't know what happened here, and there could easily be reasons why anyone of us might have shot him

There are zero reasons that Ahmaud Arbery should have been chased followed, harassed, ordered to stop, or have two white men bring their guns to block him from jogging on a public road.

There can’t be that many cowards that would arm up and stalk an unarmed man who is doing nothing but out jogging in broad daylight.
Heads are going to roll in that police department where Goober Sr used to work.

zero reason that you are aware of from behind your computer,,,

IMO the best they will get is disorderly conduct and negligent homicide,,if they try for more these guys will walk,,,

Well they have been charged with murder....but by the time of the trial those charges may be reduced....what we see now is political theater....the local officials trying to keep the natives down on the reservation so to speak aka keep them from rioting, looting and burning.

It will be a tragic miscarriage of justice if they are convicted of anything....but it is a sign of the times we live in that there is often miscarriages of justice when it comes to whites using lethal force to defend themselves against black thugs and criminals.

What is "political theater" here? Two gunmen try to stop a guy jogging, with a third guy in a second vehicle filming the whole thing, with the jogger sandwiched between the gunmen's truck and a guy who just decided to start filming for no reason. Your "whites" were NOT "defending themselves." They were the instigators of this fatal encounter. I'm not black. I am of European background. I think that you are full of shit.

And that's just weird. Who is this person in a second vehicle?

if you educated yourself before talking about a subject you would know the answer to that,,,

When I last was in this thread - he wasn't identified. But then again, your defending murder.

I never defended a murderer,,,IMO the best they should get is along the lines of disorderly conduct and negligent homicide,,,

if they intended on murder they had several chances before the final event,,,

 

[Natural Citizen]

Relevant viewing...



In this security camera video, it looks like Arbrey was recorded walking down the street. Then he entered the home. A bit later someone across the street walked out and appeared to be looking over toward the house (could likely have been the first 911 caller, I dunno, just conjecture) then Arbrey is seen running away.

So. He was initially walking down the street. Stopped and entered the home. When the person across the street came out is when he exited the home and started "jogging" away.

Looks like the ''out jogging'' narrative is out the window if that's him in the video.

 

[Mac-7]

BULLSHIT,,,running away always works

Well, that doesn't appear to be the case, if we go by McMichael's statements to police in the police report.

He ran the opposite direction.

They followed.

He died.

He died because he attacked someone with a shotgun

 

[MacTheKnife]

Maybe I missed it but in all the articles I’ve read on this, none mention where Arbery lived.

About 10 years ago I finally decided that I was done drinking and driving.

I still frequented the bars for a few years however but I refused to use a cab. I took the opportunity to walk home for exercise. My favorite bar was probably 4 or 5 miles from my house so I walked or joged through many neighborhoods that I didn't "belong" in.

I have a criminal record and I was in a place I didn't live.

DID I DESERVE TO GET SHOT?

Did I say Arbery deserved to get shot?

But I felt like you implied he was suspect simply for "not belonging"

I've been MANY places I didn't belong.

Nope. I just found it curious that (to my knowledge) it has never been mentioned.

My take on this is that, even if Arbery was the burgler they suspected him to be, everything these guys did was precisely what they should NOT have done. It was stupid and reckless.

It was stupid to confront the guy themselves and even more stupid to do so armed.

Are they racist? Given that they sincerely thought he looked like the black guy in the surveillance video, maybe not. But one thing is for sure: the whole thing was pointless and need not have happened.

You think it was stupid and you are entitled to your flawed and biased opinion....completely failing to understand that the black dude was the one responsible for his own death......no sane person out for a jog will attack someone with a shotgun....this is the crucial factor you overlook because you want to make this a racial incident and that evil white racists stupidly provoked a black man....like telling him they needed to talk to him was some kind of provocation....absolutely ridiculouos....in essence you are a race baiter

I would hope that any citizen that sees some criminal activity would do as these guys did...one a former cop....follow the suspect attempt to talk to him and notify the police...all of which they did.

Again no one to blame for all this but the black dude himself...such incredible stupidity as he exhibited carries a price and in his case a high price.

Notice I did not say the McMichaels are racist. In fact, I allowed as to the possibility that they are not.

When I say “stupid” I mean their actions were stupid. Even if the guy had been white, their actions were reckless. And now a man is dead because of their recklessness.

By choosing to chase the guy down and to do so while armed, they introduced an element of danger to the situation that was completely unnecessary, given that the alleged crime was simple burglery and the guy was not exhibiting threatening behavior to them or anyone else.

Well, considering the times we live in I would agree their course of action would be ill advised in these times of political correctness and a media that will distort the facts and even outright lie to help convict white folk of something they did not do.
They went armed as they had every legal right to do because they planned to confront a black criminal and thought it prudent to do so because they did not know he was armed or not...most black criminals are armed....at the very least with a knife.

Also...you must remember they also called the police.

But the essential element that needs to be understood is none of that would have mattered...none of that would have had any serious repercussions if the black dude had not assaulted the guy with the shotgun....that was the reason he was killed....his own stupid decision to assault a guy with a shot gun...what idiocy...perhaps he had some sort of mental conditon the family does not want to talk about....something about that black dude was not right.

 

[colfax_m]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

I don't think that he had the opportunity to run away and call the police. Again, what were these thugs doing standing in the middle of the road with guns? Why protect them? At least, finally, two of these thugs are wearing orange jumpsuits now.

what I saw in the video is he had lots of chances to run away,,,if it were me when I was that fit all they would see is my ass from a long distance and getting longer,,,

I also pulled up the area on google maps and he had lots of places to run to,,,

hehheh for sure....but you fail to take into account he was not in fear of his life....otherwise he would not have jogged up to the truck....he may have thought he was playing a game with the white dudes....we cannot really know what he was thinking...but one thing fore sure he was not in fear of his life.

You mean to say he would have turned around and ran the other way?

Oh wait, he already had done that, twice.

and it worked both times so why didnt he try it again???

Don’t know. Several possibilities. Why do it again if it failed to work? They were still pursuing him after trying to run away, they clearly weren’t giving up. Maybe the fact that McMichaels was attempting to confront him with a shotgun had something to do with it.

 

[MacTheKnife]

I don't know what happened here, and there could easily be reasons why anyone of us might have shot him

There are zero reasons that Ahmaud Arbery should have been chased followed, harassed, ordered to stop, or have two white men bring their guns to block him from jogging on a public road.

There can’t be that many cowards that would arm up and stalk an unarmed man who is doing nothing but out jogging in broad daylight.
Heads are going to roll in that police department where Goober Sr used to work.

maybe that is true maybe not.....anyhow the chase was begun in good faith...as in the former cop thought he recognized a burglar....but there was no stalking involved.....that is a legal term and you do not know the correct definition of it.

He was essentially followed and asked to talk with these 2 guys....which he refused to do.

Again this reminds me of the Trayvon affair....all he was doing was walking home from the store ...oh yeh sure. Whatever he was really doing will never be known as in whether or not he was casing homes for burglaries...but one thing for sure at some point he decided to assault a white dude....having sized up Z as a fat weakling who would be an easy target....unfortunately for him he got a big surprise.

Anyhow the black dude in this case also made a big mistake that cost him his life...he thought he could take the white dudes weapon away from him....probably not even believing the guy would try to shoot him....a lot of these young blacks think they are invincible....probably comes from watching too many hollywood movies.

This whole thing reminds me of "blame the victim". The only mistake was by the people who ambushed and murdered him.

Nonsense....you think the black guy assaulting a guy with a shotgun was not a mistake? get real.

 

[candycorn]

Except for one small problem. There were no burglaries reported to the actual police. No burglary reports for months up to the shooting.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8302641/Attorney-leaked-Ahmaud-Arbery-lynching-video-thought-CLEAR-friends.html

Burglary or no burglary, Arbery attacked McMichael, and was punching him in the face, with full force. McMichael was 100% justified in shooting Arbery.

Ok. Let’s review. Self Defense does not apply when you chase the guy down. It is not stand your ground when you are the aggressor. Any questions?

Does being right make libs bullet proof?

obviously not

But it does make the attackers guilty. And it should serve as a lesson for the next delusional dolt who sees himself as the vigilante for the hood.

Guilty of what?

we still do not have the full story

These stories have a way of changing over time, particularly as evidence is accumulated. Remember Baltimore's Fred Gay? Supposedly killed in cold blood by the Baltimore PD? Turned out to be bullshit, the 6 charged officers were ruled to be as Innocent as New Born Babes. Ditto with the Ferguson Missouri police office and Gentle Giant, or so many others.

 

[colfax_m]

BULLSHIT,,,running away always works

Well, that doesn't appear to be the case, if we go by McMichael's statements to police in the police report.

He ran the opposite direction.

They followed.

He died.

He died because he attacked someone with a shotgun

He wouldn’t have attacked them if they hadn’t been chasing him with a shotgun.

 

[progressive hunter]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

I don't think that he had the opportunity to run away and call the police. Again, what were these thugs doing standing in the middle of the road with guns? Why protect them? At least, finally, two of these thugs are wearing orange jumpsuits now.

what I saw in the video is he had lots of chances to run away,,,if it were me when I was that fit all they would see is my ass from a long distance and getting longer,,,

I also pulled up the area on google maps and he had lots of places to run to,,,

hehheh for sure....but you fail to take into account he was not in fear of his life....otherwise he would not have jogged up to the truck....he may have thought he was playing a game with the white dudes....we cannot really know what he was thinking...but one thing fore sure he was not in fear of his life.

You mean to say he would have turned around and ran the other way?

Oh wait, he already had done that, twice.

and it worked both times so why didnt he try it again???

Don’t know. Several possibilities. Why do it again if it failed to work? They were still pursuing him after trying to run away, they clearly weren’t giving up. Maybe the fact that McMichaels was attempting to confront him with a shotgun had something to do with it.

it worked before so he must have had other intents, we will never know because hes an idiot that got himself killed

 

[colfax_m]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

 

[progressive hunter]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

yes you do,,,
or we would be justified in attacking the government as we speak,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

I don't think that he had the opportunity to run away and call the police. Again, what were these thugs doing standing in the middle of the road with guns? Why protect them? At least, finally, two of these thugs are wearing orange jumpsuits now.

what I saw in the video is he had lots of chances to run away,,,if it were me when I was that fit all they would see is my ass from a long distance and getting longer,,,

I also pulled up the area on google maps and he had lots of places to run to,,,

hehheh for sure....but you fail to take into account he was not in fear of his life....otherwise he would not have jogged up to the truck....he may have thought he was playing a game with the white dudes....we cannot really know what he was thinking...but one thing fore sure he was not in fear of his life.

You mean to say he would have turned around and ran the other way?

Oh wait, he already had done that, twice.

So much for that claim.

You’d think but the defenders are very capable of ignoring facts.

 

[colfax_m]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

yes you do,,,
or we would be justified in attacking the government as we speak,,,

I don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to attacking the government, but here’s Georgia’s self defense law:
(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Imminent threat is all you need.

 

[progressive hunter]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

yes you do,,,
or we would be justified in attacking the government as we speak,,,

I don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to attacking the government, but here’s Georgia’s self defense law:
(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Imminent threat is all you need.

according to this arbrey didnt have reason to attack since he was outdoors and several feet away with several options other than attacking them,,

on the other hand because of arbreys actions the other guy did have reason,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

yes you do,,,
or we would be justified in attacking the government as we speak,,,

I don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to attacking the government, but here’s Georgia’s self defense law:
(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Imminent threat is all you need.

according to this arbrey didnt have reason to attack since he was outdoors and several feet away with several options other than attacking them,,

on the other hand because of arbreys actions the other guy did have reason,,,

Arbery had tried other options and failed. Several times actually. This demonstrates he was not the aggressor.

He was under no obligation to retreat from an armed man chasing him. He has ample reason to attack in self defense.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

they called the cops and wanted him to wait and talk to them,,,,

When Arbery refused to stop or comply with illegal and immoral demands by two armed white men, it should have been the end of it. That’s if you believe Arbery has the same rights and freedoms as the two white men who killed him because he refused to comply with their criminal demand to ‘stop and wait’. You apparently suffer from the same concept that White Privilege is a privilege that needs to be maintained.

The killers had all the options to de-escalate the situation if they truly, but ridiculously wanted the police to talk to him about a crime they did not see him commit.

The video shows Arbery jogging. That is cIear in the video. There is no indication that he was trying to flee the two goons who were attacking him until Goober Jr got out of the truck and Approached him. . I doubt he could run faster than the truck. The killers could have simply followed a jogger and reported his location to the police.

But if the cops did their job they would have asked the Goobers if they Witnessed a felony. When they said “no”the cops shouid have said take your guns and go home before someone gets hurt.

 

[progressive hunter]

Arbery wasn’t attacking someone defending themselves. He was attacking someone who was behaving in a threatening manner.

Upon WHAT do you base this wild and reckless comment ? There's nothing in the police report or video to substantiate it.

Three men in two trucks shouting at you to stop and brandishing firearms.

I would have called the cops not attack them,,,

why didnt he call the cops???

Irrelevant. The question is whether Arbery had a right to self defense. If he did, the McMichael’s are done.

we havent proven his life was in danger,,,thatas for a court to decide,,,

A person being pursued by three screaming men with firearms would be perceived as a life threatening situation by any reasonable person.

thats why he should have ran away and called the police,,,

He did try to run away, if even if he didn’t, he has no obligation to. Georgia is a “stand your ground” state. Someone claiming self defense has no obligation to retreat. A policy that is lauded by the right.

lol he charged a guy and tried to steal his firearm. That's obviously annoying to you racists who think white people should all be killed.

They were chasing him down brandishing weapons. They created the situation and are going to face consequences for it.

how do you know they brandished their guns before the final event???

McMichael emerged from the truck with his shotgun in hand. It’s on the video.

yes at the final event,,,what about the times before that???

Not that I know of but at some time the older McMichael had emerged from the truck and when Arbrey ran the other way hopped into the bed of the pickup. We know he had a revolver so it’s speculative but certainly possible that Aubrey saw the gun at that time.

What isn’t speculative is that Arbrey saw that McMichael was brandishing a gun before Arbery attacked him and that’s enough for him to know he was being pursued by armed men before he did anything to them.

have we figured out yet why arbry didnt call the cops himself???

he was jogging 12 miles from his own home so it makes sense he had a phone on him,,,

I don't know about you but if three men, two of whom are armed attack me - I don't know if I'd have time to get the phone out and make a call....

like I said educate yourself or shut up,,,

he had lotrs of chances to call them,,,

Not even to mention he was never attacked....how can anyone watch the video and even claim that...must have not watched the video.

You don’t have to wait to be attacked to be able to claim self defense. Only that the threat is imminent.

yes you do,,,
or we would be justified in attacking the government as we speak,,,

I don’t know what you’re talking about with regard to attacking the government, but here’s Georgia’s self defense law:
(a) A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force; however, except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Imminent threat is all you need.

according to this arbrey didnt have reason to attack since he was outdoors and several feet away with several options other than attacking them,,

on the other hand because of arbreys actions the other guy did have reason,,,

Arbery had tried other options and failed. Several times actually. This demonstrates he was not the aggressor.

He was under no obligation to retreat from an armed man chasing him. He has ample reason to attack in self defense.

everytime before it worked and it would have worked again,,,he chose to go directly into a situation he had no chance to win,,,

his obligation to retreat was to his family to come home alive,,

in closing IMO the son with the gun should be charged with negligent homicide and the father should get nothing,,,to try and go for more will result in nothing,,,