jc456
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Why are you so beyond unreasonable? Are you insane?
They did everything wrong when they decided to use lethal force to attempt to detain a burglary suspect who could not have stolen what would be of significance from an open unlocked structure. Use of lethal force against an alleged construction site thief is not only unreasonable it is absurd.
In Georgia referring to Citizens Arrest: āWhat courts have interpreted it to mean is that you can only use the amount of force thatās reasonable to detain a person under the circumstances,ā Bowen said.
Breaking down Georgiaās Citizenās Arrest Law
The McMichaelās told police they were attempting to make a citizenās arrest. News 3 is looking at Georgiaās laws. Georgiaās Citizenās Arrest Law allows people to arresā¦www.google.com
It was unreasonable for two alleged good citizens to take a life over a pocket full of stolen nails or nothing stolen at all.,
So it is not unreasonable for murderers to pay for the unreasonable crime they chose to commit.
There is never an ounce of reasonableness coming off the keyboards of white extremists.
Is your analytical aka reasoning skills really that bad or are you just being obstinate?
The black dude killed himself....what did he think would happen when he charged and attacked a guy with a shotgun?
What is there about that you cannot wrap your head around?
You will probably come with something oh...if those two rednecks had stayed home none of this would happen.
Those rednecks cared about their community....wanted to protect it...wanted to make sure the black dude was checked out...to see if he was a threat to the community or not.
The black dude was not restrained in any way...he could have kept right on joggin down that road...instead he veered left committed a violent assault and whilst trying to wrest the weapon away got killed....thus he has no one to blame but himself.
Ok you say he was not restrained and he could have kept on jogging. Fine. Letās play a game shall we?
Imagine you are walking down the road minding your own business. A Truck goes past you and then stops in front of you. A guy gets out with a shotgun. He rushes at you shouting stop stop. Are you free to continue your journey?
If you say you are. Then go to the bad part of your local city. The area with the most crime. Walk down the street. Ignore the people who try and rob or assault you. Just keep walking when they produce a weapon. You canāt fight back. You are absolutely free to continue your journey. Youāre in the right after all and they would not dare assault you would they?
It is a matter of perception. The scenario you perceive is not what everyone has to perceive. If I see anyone do that, I am assuming I am being attacked. Travis ran around the truck to get to Arbury. That is an armed man charging at another man. That is by definition confrontational, and by Georgia Law Aggravated Assault.
The statute covering Citizens Arrest, or even just detaining someone for the police, says that you must have first hand knowledge. Suspecting him is not enough. Reasonable to assume is not enough for a citizen. It is enough for the cops, but neither of these yahoos were cops. Yes, Daddy was a retired cop, but I am a former Soldier, that does not mean I am a Sergeant today in the Army. It means I was one once. If I see a Soldier in the city, I do not expect him to call me Sergeant. I do not expect him to go to Parade Rest in respect for my rank. I am not a Sergeant anymore. Daddy wasnāt a Cop any more.
A cop can have a reasonable suspicion. But a cop has authority granted by the State, or the Federal Government depending on who he is working for, to operate on that basis. Civillians may have a reasonable suspicion but they are not allowed to act upon them. If I suspect someone is dealing drugs, I do not have the authority to go and search him and see. Even if I find the drugs, I am still wrong. I have still committed a crime. The best case scenario there is we both go to jail. Me for assaulting him, and him for dealing. Weāll probably get out of prison at about the same time.
Take a minute, and imagine you are Arbury. You are running down the street followed by one car. A Truck carrying two people, one in the back, shouted at you to stop and them passed ahead of you. They have blocked the road. Is the car following you involved? How many people are after you? How much threat is there? You canāt outrun the truck. You canāt outrun two cars. The Driver gets in your way on the drivers side of the truck with a shotgun. You go right to put the truck between you and the gunman.
The gunman comes around the truck at you. What do you do? Trust that everything is going to go all right and these folks are not going to harm you in any way shape or form? What reason could you possibly have to believe that? The most reasonable assumption you are going to have is that they are going to kill you. Can you outrun a bullet? Nobody can. So flight is out. If you run you honestly believe you are going to be shot in the back fleeing. What possible reason could you have not to believe that? It is the most reasonable thing in the world to believe.
You attack. When confronted by danger. You have three choices. You can run, you can fight, you can hide. There is nowhere to hide, running has you surrounded. The only option left is fight. A cornered rat will fight against hopeless odds. It is instinctive to every living creature on Godās Earth.
So you wonder why he attacked? It is the most obvious thing in the world. But since he was Black he was not supposed to. Because he is Black and suspected of crimes he did not commit, he is supposed to surrender to the authority of two white guys.
From here I am going to mix a little fact, and a lot of assumptions.
Why were they so incensed? Did you ever wonder? If you had read the information posted. You would have seen why. On the 8th of December, Travis reported that someone had taken a gun out of his unlocked car.
Imagine that. They assume it must be this guy. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they decided it was him because they know their neighbors and the local kids and he was a stranger. But imagine the gall they must have perceived as they saw this guy run by every day or two. To them, it must have been as if he was flaunting his untouchable status. They decided he had stolen the gun. I donāt know. Maybe he did. Maybe he did not.
But it offended their sensibilities to see this guy run by every day or two as if he was flaunting his actions. To them, it must have been as if he was dancing just out of range of a leashed dog. They decided he must be the thief, and every time he comes to the neighborhood he was stealing stuff. Just because nobody was reporting it doesnāt mean he isnāt doing it. They built this crime wave up in their minds.
So finally they had endured all they could. They were not going to let this guy get away with it. The fucking lazy cops who canāt catch this guy who stole my gun can take him and weāll give them the bad guy caught in the act. With the stolen property on him. Theyāll make him talk, and admit to stealing my gun. This fucker is not going to be stealing from us any more.
Now. back to the facts. I donāt know who stole the gun. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that a gun was stolen. But I donāt know who stole it. It might have been Arbury, it might have been anyone. It could be two kids from the next street over. They might have it right now concealed behind a couple paint cans in the garage where Mom wonāt find it. It might have been a neighbor who liked it and wanted it for himself. It might have been a friend who knew that Travis kept the gun in the car and didnāt lock it. The gun could be at the bottom of a river right now, or tucked into someoneās waistband.
But I understand the fury, the frustration the McMichaels felt. I really do. What I do not condone, and can not condone, is their actions. I can not support anyone taking the law into their own hands. Now, before you say that this colored my judgment. I believed before that they had committed Aggravated Assault. I believed it before I had read that information. The why was always in question, but I think I might have it, but I understood that the what was always illegal.
why are you misrepresenting what happened???
What did I misrepresent. I clarified what was fact, and what was opinion. But the events, yeah. Those are accurate. The McMichaels committed crimes mate.
you twisted the entire chain of events,,,
arbrey rushed them not the other way around,,,
Are you saying that Travis standing in the middle of the road did not move towards the right side of the road?
arbrey ran over 100 feet and mcmicheals took maybe 3 steps,,,
McMichael's went around his driver door from the seat area to the front of the truck, he never made one step toward the man running. ever. Video shows that. it's called evidence.
