New gun law requires owners to report missing firearms

[Flopper]

Nor does anybody else.

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license.

Because dirving in public roads is a privilege, allwed to you by the state.
That said, I am VERY musch for treating guns as we treat cars - you, OTOH, will not agree.

Anyone who wants to own a gun...

You cannot soundly argue for these conditions - you can only argue through emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

How can you argue that a national database of gun ownership is not needed when the vast majority of crimes involving guns are perpetrated by the owners of those guns or by their friends and family. That makes no sense.

 

[Stephanie]

lol, I can see a gang member now, walks into a police station, hey man, some dude stole my gun and I can't whack nobody now

 

[bigrebnc1775]

One day, if they're ever about to come and take everyone's guns, I wonder how many will suddenly be reported 'missing' right before? Mine will

That will be the day I lost my guns in the woods because I was drunk and past out to be awaken in another place I did not know how I got there and the guns were gone.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If a gun is used in the commission of a crime, one critical piece of information is the ownership of the gun. Quite often the gun owner, family member or friend is the perpetrator. Although ATF records are far from complete and many records lack ownership information, they do over 335,000 gun tracings a year for law enforce. So yes, it is of value. If it wasn't the police wouldn't be requesting the information.

Family member or friend of whom? The gun owner? Do you have something to back that up, or is it another of your arguments that is based on your hope that no one will ever challenge you? If the gun belongs to the victim does that make it a suicide?

According to the ATF, "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes" Borrowed guns account for ruffly 10%. The remainder of the crimes, about 75% are committed by people using their own guns. To argue that there is no need for a central database of gun ownership information makes no sense.


frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS
Walker Bragman: Debunking 18 Pro-Gun Myths[

Pulled it out of your ass, and provided links that don't back up what you say. Is that because you think that other people will behave like you and not read the links?

The PBS peace discusses a report that details the various ways that criminals get their hands on guns.

The PuffHo peace doesn't mention the ATF at all.

Negged for lying.

 

[PredFan]

I was just wondering how long before "taking away the guns" would come up.

The law seems quite reasonable if law enforcement in Illinois ever hopes to have a record of who owns the guns.

Law enforcement doesn't need a record of who owns the guns.

So, when a gun is recovered at a crime scene (like a car at a hit and run) what would you suggest they do?

How about trying some police work?

 

[PredFan]

One day, if they're ever about to come and take everyone's guns, I wonder how many will suddenly be reported 'missing' right before? Mine will

LOL -- The idiocy of the gun grab "conspiracy theory"!!

Let's see, we have a consumer driven economy and a government funded by tax revenue -- yet you morons believe that all 3 branches of our government might someday collude in a drastic measure to enforce a new oppressive way of life upon us that will tank the economy (and thus the tax base) faster than you can say "Back in the US, Back in US, Back in the USSR..." That would be like farmer starving all his livestock the month before he takes them to market. He sure taught them a lesson!!

Think people, think. Why would the government want to disenfranchise the entire nation and bring our way of life to an end? -- are you people really that stupid that you can't think things through and see how idiotic these "gun grab" NRA fear tactics are?

Oh my aching irony!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Law enforcement doesn't need a record of who owns the guns.

Nor does anybody else.

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license. Driving a two thousand pound mass of metal and glass at high speeds should rightly be a big responsibility that everyone should take seriously, that should be regulated to ensure appropriate safety for everyone on the road. Owning a gun should require a similar level of responsibility.

Anyone who wants to own a gun should likewise take a written test on gun safety, proper means of carrying, loading and unloading, and turning the safety on and off to get a gun owner's permit, though actually shooting it must be done with a licensed gun owner. After an appropriate waiting period, gun owners should take an actual test involving everything from loading and unloading, proper storage, even shooting proficiency. And each gun should be registered in each state it travels to, each gun owner should submit to an annual inspection for their weapon, and each gun purchase should come with mandatory liability insurance. The law should require that guns be stowed safely and require reporting of loss of theft. Gun ownership is a right, but with rights come responsibilities.

Keep your car off the public roads and you don't have to do any of that. Why should people who own guns be forced to do more than you are required to do simply because you are stupid?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license.

Because dirving in public roads is a privilege, allwed to you by the state.
That said, I am VERY musch for treating guns as we treat cars - you, OTOH, will not agree.

Anyone who wants to own a gun...

You cannot soundly argue for these conditions - you can only argue through emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

How can you argue that a national database of gun ownership is not needed when the vast majority of crimes involving guns are perpetrated by the owners of those guns or by their friends and family. That makes no sense.

Talk about not making sense.

How can you keep making claims you cannot back up?

 

[PredFan]

I have 13 firearms. 3 of which are registered to me. The rest are gifts or private purchases.

 

[Flopper]

lol, I can see a gang member now, walks into a police station, hey man, some dude stole my gun and I can't whack nobody now

Funny, but not helpful. The lack of accurate records of gun ownership, is not because stolen guns aren't reported but rather because we have laws that prevent states from maintaining complete records of gun ownership.

A database doesn't have to be complete to be useful. The FBI has about 50 million fingerprints on file out of a population of 300 million, yet it's one of law enforcement most usefully tools.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I was just wondering how long before "taking away the guns" would come up.

The law seems quite reasonable if law enforcement in Illinois ever hopes to have a record of who owns the guns.

Law enforcement doesn't need a record of who owns the guns.

Apparently law enforcement doesn't agree. The ATF received over a 350,000 requests from law enforcement for gun ownership tracings last year. When the police have a gun that was used to commit a crime, knowing who the gun belongs to is often useful. Although a database of gun ownership is never completely accurate, it can give investigators a lead in tying the gun to the perpetrator.

Gee, really? Law enforcement doesn't agree? You don't say. That whole pesky Bill of Rights is a big pain in the ass for law enforcement and makes their job a lot more difficult than it would be if we didn't have it all, but thankfully it's there to help protect us from them. This wouldn't be a very hospitable place to live if law enforcement were free to run ramshod all over our civil liberties, now would it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license. Driving a two thousand pound mass of metal and glass at high speeds should rightly be a big responsibility that everyone should take seriously, that should be regulated to ensure appropriate safety for everyone on the road. Owning a gun should require a similar level of responsibility.

Care to tell me which part of the Bill of Rights guarantees that your right to own an automobile shall not be infringed?

If you can't come up with even a semi-valid comparison don't waste our time.

 

[whitehall]

It makes sense that a person who owns a registered firearm should report it's loss from theft or other circumstance rather than risk litigation or arrest if the weapon turns up in a crime.

 

[Flopper]

Law enforcement doesn't need a record of who owns the guns.

Apparently law enforcement doesn't agree. The ATF received over a 350,000 requests from law enforcement for gun ownership tracings last year. When the police have a gun that was used to commit a crime, knowing who the gun belongs to is often useful. Although a database of gun ownership is never completely accurate, it can give investigators a lead in tying the gun to the perpetrator.

Gee, really? Law enforcement doesn't agree? You don't say. That whole pesky Bill of Rights is a big pain in the ass for law enforcement and makes their job a lot more difficult than it would be if we didn't have it all, but thankfully it's there to help protect us from them. This wouldn't be a very hospitable place to live if law enforcement were free to run ramshod all over our civil liberties, now would it.

In regard to tracking gun ownership, there is no violation of your 2nd amendment rights. The 2nd only guarantees your right to bear arms.

 

[Flopper]

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license. Driving a two thousand pound mass of metal and glass at high speeds should rightly be a big responsibility that everyone should take seriously, that should be regulated to ensure appropriate safety for everyone on the road. Owning a gun should require a similar level of responsibility.

Care to tell me which part of the Bill of Rights guarantees that your right to own an automobile shall not be infringed?

If you can't come up with even a semi-valid comparison don't waste our time.

Tracking gun ownership and registration of gun ownership does not infringe on your rights to bear arms. Because operation of a motor vehicle is a privilege and gun ownership is a right does not mean registration of guns is a violation of the 2nd amendment.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I have to register my car in each new state I live in, keep my insurance up to date, have required inspections and submit to a driver's test to get my license. Driving a two thousand pound mass of metal and glass at high speeds should rightly be a big responsibility that everyone should take seriously, that should be regulated to ensure appropriate safety for everyone on the road. Owning a gun should require a similar level of responsibility.

Care to tell me which part of the Bill of Rights guarantees that your right to own an automobile shall not be infringed?

If you can't come up with even a semi-valid comparison don't waste our time.

Tracking gun ownership and registration of gun ownership does not infringe on your rights to bear arms.

Of course it does. If I have to tell the government I have it first or be arrested or fined as opposed to not having to do that at all that becomes an infringement now, doesn't it.

 

[Flopper]

Care to tell me which part of the Bill of Rights guarantees that your right to own an automobile shall not be infringed?

If you can't come up with even a semi-valid comparison don't waste our time.

Tracking gun ownership and registration of gun ownership does not infringe on your rights to bear arms.

Of course it does. If I have to tell the government I have it first or be arrested or fined as opposed to not having to do that at all that becomes an infringement now, doesn't it.

No. A requirement to register gun ownership does not infringe on your right to own a gun. If the requirement to register the gun was designed specifically to keep you from owning the gun, then it would be an infringement of your rights.

Because you are granted a right does not mean that there are no limits to that right. Freedom of speech does not mean you can yell fire in a crowded auditorium. The right to own a gun does not mean that laws can not be written to protect society from gun sales to criminals, mentally incompetent, or children. Likewise if government chooses to collect information on gun ownership, there is no violation of your rights.

 

[Noomi]

New gun law requires owners to report missing firearms

Illinois gun owners will have to report missing firearms to police and check the background of potential buyers under a law Gov. Pat Quinn enacted Sunday.

Quinn signed the legislation at a South Side park near where an off-duty Chicago police officer was killed with an illegally trafficked gun in 2010. He said the law will make it easier to recover stolen weapons and help ensure that only responsible people buy firearms. The measure passed both chambers of the Illinois General Assembly with healthy majorities.

Can you believe they actually had to make this a law?? -- to get gun owners to act like responsible citizens. (I believe most of them do)


I'm guessing that's because a lot people in rural areas buy a fancy new AR-15, have some funning killing cans and pumpkins, then the darn thing "goes missing" when it comes time to pay the credit card bill -- they have no idea how it ended up down in Juarez Mexico.

Bet some will whinge that it violates their 'rights'.

 

[bayoubill]

New gun law requires owners to report missing firearms

Illinois gun owners will have to report missing firearms to police and check the background of potential buyers under a law Gov. Pat Quinn enacted Sunday.

Quinn signed the legislation at a South Side park near where an off-duty Chicago police officer was killed with an illegally trafficked gun in 2010. He said the law will make it easier to recover stolen weapons and help ensure that only responsible people buy firearms. The measure passed both chambers of the Illinois General Assembly with healthy majorities.

Can you believe they actually had to make this a law?? -- to get gun owners to act like responsible citizens. (I believe most of them do)


I'm guessing that's because a lot people in rural areas buy a fancy new AR-15, have some funning killing cans and pumpkins, then the darn thing "goes missing" when it comes time to pay the credit card bill -- they have no idea how it ended up down in Juarez Mexico.

so... Quinn's actions will accomplish... what...?

it's already required that potential buyers who legally try to buy firearms undergo a background check... (underscore legally... i.e., not going through the black market, which won't in the least bit be affected by this new law...)

and how exactly will police be able to better recover a stolen weapon simply based upon where it was stolen from...? it's not like the damn thing leaves a trail of bread crumbs behind it...

looks like yet more ineffective counterproductive dumb-shit feel-good stuff to me...

'course, libs are specialists in such stuff...

 

[jon_berzerk]

New gun law requires owners to report missing firearms

Illinois gun owners will have to report missing firearms to police and check the background of potential buyers under a law Gov. Pat Quinn enacted Sunday.

Quinn signed the legislation at a South Side park near where an off-duty Chicago police officer was killed with an illegally trafficked gun in 2010. He said the law will make it easier to recover stolen weapons and help ensure that only responsible people buy firearms. The measure passed both chambers of the Illinois General Assembly with healthy majorities.

Can you believe they actually had to make this a law?? -- to get gun owners to act like responsible citizens. (I believe most of them do)


I'm guessing that's because a lot people in rural areas buy a fancy new AR-15, have some funning killing cans and pumpkins, then the darn thing "goes missing" when it comes time to pay the credit card bill -- they have no idea how it ended up down in Juarez Mexico.

so... Quinn's actions will accomplish... what...?

it's already required that potential buyers who legally try to buy firearms undergo a background check... (underscore legally... i.e., not going through the black market, which won't in the least bit be affected by this new law...)

and how exactly will police be able to better recover a stolen weapon simply based upon where it was stolen from...? it's not like the damn thing leaves a trail of bread crumbs behind it...

looks like yet more ineffective counterproductive dumb-shit feel-good stuff to me...

'course, libs are specialists in such stuff...

toss in 3-d printing


good luck with that