New research puts to death the “good guy with a gun” narrative

[9thIDdoc]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Did the study make any SPECIFIC claims? If so why don't you quote them?

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Did the study make any SPECIFIC claims? If so why don't you quote them?

I did in the OP, dummy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

 

[Indeependent]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

A sponsored "Study" or facts?

 

[Indeependent]

Liberals...there are no criminals, just people with psychiatric issues.

 

[Bush92]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

I'm a good Patriot and I'm well armed.

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

None of this logic of yours matters if you can’t back it up with facts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

None of this logic of yours matters if you can’t back it up with facts.

Very well. Since you made the challenge, I'll let you decide. Give me two states or cities, identical in demographics, that shows the one with more guns has more crime. Better yet......forget that. Go to your article and give me two cities or states the author outlines. I will show you the difference in demographics that support my point, thus proving guns have nothing to do with it.

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

None of this logic of yours matters if you can’t back it up with facts.

Very well. Since you made the challenge, I'll let you decide. Give me two states or cities, identical in demographics, that shows the one with more guns has more crime. Better yet......forget that. Go to your article and give me two cities or states the author outlines. I will show you the difference in demographics that support my point, thus proving guns have nothing to do with it.

I’ve already given you evidence that clearly states there is a positive correlation with gun ownership and mass shootings. It is now up to you to prove that claim false. It’s stupid and lame to expect me to do all the work. You do get that right?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Still trying to prove the framers aren't smarter than you by trying to make an end run-around the constitution billy?

 

[LeftofLeft]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Tell that to Chicago!

...and Baltimore,,DC, Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland, Los Angeles.

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Still trying to prove the framers aren't smarter than you by trying to make an end run-around the constitution billy?

This has nothing to do with the legality of the 2nd amendment.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This has nothing to do with the legality of the 2nd amendment.

That's why it is called an end-around billy, specifically to make that transparent claim

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This has nothing to do with the legality of the 2nd amendment.

Then why are you bringing up the second amendment?

 

[Billy000]

This has nothing to do with the legality of the 2nd amendment.

Then why are you bringing up the second amendment?

You did. Not me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

None of this logic of yours matters if you can’t back it up with facts.

Very well. Since you made the challenge, I'll let you decide. Give me two states or cities, identical in demographics, that shows the one with more guns has more crime. Better yet......forget that. Go to your article and give me two cities or states the author outlines. I will show you the difference in demographics that support my point, thus proving guns have nothing to do with it.

I’ve already given you evidence that clearly states there is a positive correlation with gun ownership and mass shootings. It is now up to you to prove that claim false. It’s stupid and lame to expect me to do all the work. You do get that right?

Oh, so you want me to make the fair comparisons? No problem. I'll get to work on that tomorrow. But don't cry foul when I pick two cities or states and show you how it's the demographics that make the difference and not the amount of firearms.

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Sure it matters. Look at it this way:

You take a nice middle-class or upper-middle-class white suburb. You create a law that all residents of that suburb must own a firearm. Do you think the murder or assault rate would change? No it won't. At the same time, go to a high-crime lower income area, make a law that nobody is allowed to own a gun, their crime rate won't change either.

That's why your article is apples to oranges. The author just took the anecdotal findings cherry picked by him, and make claim that's the cause of the problem. Guns don't shoot people. People shoot people.

None of this logic of yours matters if you can’t back it up with facts.

Very well. Since you made the challenge, I'll let you decide. Give me two states or cities, identical in demographics, that shows the one with more guns has more crime. Better yet......forget that. Go to your article and give me two cities or states the author outlines. I will show you the difference in demographics that support my point, thus proving guns have nothing to do with it.

I’ve already given you evidence that clearly states there is a positive correlation with gun ownership and mass shootings. It is now up to you to prove that claim false. It’s stupid and lame to expect me to do all the work. You do get that right?

Oh, so you want me to make the fair comparisons? No problem. I'll get to work on that tomorrow. But don't cry foul when I pick two cities or states and show you how it's the demographics that make the difference and not the amount of firearms.

Demographics? Why do you think demographics are relevant to this? Okay so gun violence is more common with black people. Okay and? What’s your point?

 

[9thIDdoc]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Did the study make any SPECIFIC claims? If so why don't you quote them?

I did in the OP, dummy.

Untrue. Your OP vs the information you linked:


A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

OP: "A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide."
Link: Although household gun ownership has been declining since the early 1990s (Smith & Son, 2015), gun purchases and permit applications spike dramatically in the wake of infamous mass shootings (Liu & Wiebe, 2019; Wallace, 2015), especially among individuals with no history of firearms ownership (Studdert, Zhang, Rodden, Hyndman, & Wintemute, 2017). In 2019 alone, 13% of Americans surveyed purchased a weapon to protect themselves against mass shootings, with an additional 16% seriously considering the option (Brenan, 2019).
Aside from influencing individual gun-purchasing behavior, mass shootings are often used to garner support for more restrictive or permissive firearms laws. For example, one study found each incident increased the number of firearm bills introduced in any given state’s legislature by 15% (Luca, Malhotra, & Poliquin, 2019). One of the most widely discussed—
and most widely implemented—policies to prevent mass shootings is permissive concealed carry legislation. Suzanna Gratia Hupp famously called for fewer restrictions on concealed carry, arguing that she could have stopped the 1991 massacre at Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, Texas if she were not legally obligated to leave her firearm locked in her car (Hupp, 2009)
The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings. Indeed, 56% of Americans believe that increased gun-carrying in public makes the nation safer (Newport, 2015). State laws have changed along with public opinion: while only 15 states maintained permissive concealed carry policies in the early 1990s, that number increased to 41 states as of 2018 (Siegel, Pahn et al. 2017).

Seems obvious to me that mass shootings tend to increase firearms ownership; rather than the other way around.

OP: The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

No.

Link: Even further, research has yet to determine whether the effects of gun ownership and concealed carry legislation vary for mass shootings and firearms homicide.

OP: The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Not a theory; simple fact.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You did. Not me.

While I am sure most posters will believe I would be the one to reference the constitution than you, we both know you cannot show the post where it was me that referenced the "second amendment", but you who referenced it when the word constitution was mentioned because your post was from the "end-run TV era...
The whole idea of calling it an end-run is to flush out your "second-amendment" argument

 

[Billy000]

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Bullshit. The crime rate went down in every state that adopted concealed carry. It's almost certain the study is based on flawed assumptions.

Should I even bother asking for a source?

Defensive Gun Use Is Not a Myth

Yeah dude. No one ever said people haven’t defended themselves with guns. That is completely besides the point of what this article is saying is that “a good guy with a gun” does nothing to prevent mass shootings. More gun ownership is correlated with more gun violence. These are the facts that matter.

And that right there exemplifies the stupidity of your post and study. You take one out of many possible factors and try to use that single issue alone to make this phony claim. We are right back to the liberal fallacy that people don't kill people, guns kill people.

Well we can all do that. Since the early 90's up until the Ferguson effect, gun and violent crime in the US was on a decline. What's proportional with that decline is more and more states adopting CCW programs, and changing laws that protect the victim instead of the criminal. How is that possible????

The amount of guns is irrelevant. More importantly are the demographics of these areas. In the United States, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Furthermore it's lower income areas where most murders happen. You are wrong. People kill people, not guns.

You and your study are not comparing apples to apples. Take two states with the same demographics and use one with lenient gun laws and one with strict gun laws, and then see what your conclusions are. No anti-gun organization has ever done that to my knowledge.

New research puts the 'good guy with a gun' idea to rest: Loose concealed-carry laws are linked to more firearm homicides

States with looser concealed-carry laws have higher rates of gun homicide. And higher gun-ownership rates are associated with more mass shootings.

www.yahoo.com

A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

Unless you can find a study that directly contradicts the SPECIFIC claims made in this study, anything you say doesn’t matter.

Did the study make any SPECIFIC claims? If so why don't you quote them?

I did in the OP, dummy.

Untrue. Your OP vs the information you linked:


A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide.

The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings.

The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works in real life, according to new research published in the journal Justice Quarterly. The study found that laws allowing more people to carry guns in public are associated with a rise in gun violence. The results also showed that the higher a state's gun-ownership rate, the more likely a mass shooting is.

OP: "A new study found that states with looser concealed-carry gun laws have higher rates of gun homicide."
Link: Although household gun ownership has been declining since the early 1990s (Smith & Son, 2015), gun purchases and permit applications spike dramatically in the wake of infamous mass shootings (Liu & Wiebe, 2019; Wallace, 2015), especially among individuals with no history of firearms ownership (Studdert, Zhang, Rodden, Hyndman, & Wintemute, 2017). In 2019 alone, 13% of Americans surveyed purchased a weapon to protect themselves against mass shootings, with an additional 16% seriously considering the option (Brenan, 2019).
Aside from influencing individual gun-purchasing behavior, mass shootings are often used to garner support for more restrictive or permissive firearms laws. For example, one study found each incident increased the number of firearm bills introduced in any given state’s legislature by 15% (Luca, Malhotra, & Poliquin, 2019). One of the most widely discussed—
and most widely implemented—policies to prevent mass shootings is permissive concealed carry legislation. Suzanna Gratia Hupp famously called for fewer restrictions on concealed carry, arguing that she could have stopped the 1991 massacre at Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, Texas if she were not legally obligated to leave her firearm locked in her car (Hupp, 2009)
The results also showed that higher levels of gun ownership are associated with more mass shootings. Indeed, 56% of Americans believe that increased gun-carrying in public makes the nation safer (Newport, 2015). State laws have changed along with public opinion: while only 15 states maintained permissive concealed carry policies in the early 1990s, that number increased to 41 states as of 2018 (Siegel, Pahn et al. 2017).

Seems obvious to me that mass shootings tend to increase firearms ownership; rather than the other way around.

OP: The study suggests the US could reduce gun violence by lowering levels of gun ownership and passing stricter concealed-carry laws.

No.

Link: Even further, research has yet to determine whether the effects of gun ownership and concealed carry legislation vary for mass shootings and firearms homicide.

OP: The "good guy with a gun" theory goes like this: If more well-intentioned people carry guns, there's a higher chance of stopping a violent shooter.

Not a theory; simple fact.

Lol okay you posted a few studies (i guess?). None of them were actually relevant to specific facts in my post. You can’t just post supposedly pro-gun research and expect it to matter if the actual content doesn't apply the original claims I made. You’re just linking random shit in a wall post that isn’t relevant to the conversation at hand and expect me to be overwhelmed or something.

Let me summarize this another way. What study from your post is directly relevant to the specific claims I made in my post? I didn’t see anything relevant.