New York Judgment Against Trump Violates the Eighth Amendment

[Winston]

What a sorry jackass you are. "Amount of fraud?" It was PAPERWORK, Fool. A difference between estimates made by the applicant and what NY state found after digging through every last detail of Trump's life. There was no "fraud" bunion-boy because the banks approved the loans, and Trump REPAID the loans. Every penny. There was no harm. There was no victim.

Only a bunch of bunghole leftist losers!

So, you need a new car. You visit the dealer, pick out a nice pick-up Truck, let's say in the fifty thousand dollar range. Maybe it is a dualee. You completely misrepresent your income to the finance company in order to get their best rate. You make every payment, on time, but two years later the finance company finds out you are not making near as much income as you claimed on your application. Are they going to sit back and go, "no harm, no foul", and let it ride? Nope, they are going to void the loan, demand payment in full, or they are going to come repossess your truck.

 

[Rogue AI]

The court did consider the charactor of the defendant. That's a big part of the reason the judgement was so high.

The 'character' of the defendant is a subjective value and has no place in the law or this silly ruling. You folks are simply moronic.

 

[Winston]

This will go the way of the old lady that burned her twat with the McDonalds coffee... the initial award was way over the top and finally appealed down to pocket change and then she died.

It's pretty... and got those fancy yellow teeth... but it does have superiors.

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The McDonald's coffee lawsuit stood, the damages were not reduced.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Right but since it wasn't known if he'd be able to return the money that's where it was a crime.

If the banks weren’t absolutely certain Trump not only could, but would pay the money back, they wouldn’t have loaned it. Banks don’t stay in business by losing money on loans.

 

[Orangecat]

So, you need a new car. You visit the dealer, pick out a nice pick-up Truck, let's say in the fifty thousand dollar range. Maybe it is a dualee. You completely misrepresent your income to the finance company in order to get their best rate. You make every payment, on time, but two years later the finance company finds out you are not making near as much income as you claimed on your application. Are they going to sit back and go, "no harm, no foul", and let it ride? Nope, they are going to void the loan, demand payment in full, or they are going to come repossess your truck.

You're a moron.

 

[Orangecat]

The McDonald's coffee lawsuit stood, the damages were not reduced.

There was a victim to compensate there, simplejack.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So, you need a new car. You visit the dealer, pick out a nice pick-up Truck, let's say in the fifty thousand dollar range. Maybe it is a dualee. You completely misrepresent your income to the finance company in order to get their best rate. You make every payment, on time, but two years later the finance company finds out you are not making near as much income as you claimed on your application. Are they going to sit back and go, "no harm, no foul", and let it ride? Nope, they are going to void the loan, demand payment in full, or they are going to come repossess your truck.

That isn’t the way loans work. A lender can’t just “call” a loan.

 

[Batcat]

I don't really see that ruling standing.

It would only be fair if Trump was able to get New York State to pay his legal fees.

 

[two_iron]

The McDonald's coffee lawsuit stood, the damages were not reduced.

The initial award was for $2.9 million. She got about 18% of that. And then she died.

You're a fucking liar.

 

[two_iron]

That pencilneck boy toucher with the yellow teeth is going to become even more popular after this.

The plan is stop trucking anything into ny.

 

[Winston]

The initial award was for $2.9 million. She got about 18% of that. And then she died.

You're a fucking liar.

You got a source you can link to that. Otherwise, STFU;

 

[Winston]

That isn’t the way loans work. A lender can’t just “call” a loan.

The hell they can't. If you misrepresent on the application you damn skippy, they can call in on the loan. I mean WTF, do you live under a bridge?

 

[Winston]

That pencilneck boy toucher with the yellow teeth is going to become even more popular after this.

The plan is stop trucking anything into ny.

Wow, "truckers", the bastions of intelligence in American society. LMAO.

 

[two_iron]

Wow, "truckers", the bastions of intelligence in American society. LMAO.

A simple fuck like you wouldn't last 3 days without truckers feeding your parasitic ass.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Lots of victims. First and foremost, the taxpayers in the state of New York. Trump understated the value of his property in property tax filings. Meaning he paid less in taxes than he otherwise would, forcing other taxpayers to make up for the shortfall.

But second, the lenders, they loaned out money based on inflated asset values. Had they been based on the actual value, the interest rate would have been higher at best, the loan might have been refused at worse. Either way, the lenders were incurring higher risk than they otherwise would have accepted. Don't make a damn if Trump paid the money back or not.

Third, the insurers, who were insuring properties with inflated values. You can't take out a million dollar property insurance policy on a double wide located in the swamp, or a hundred thousand dollar collision policy of your 1974 Ford Pinto, the same damn thing.

And interesting that the OP has turned to

United States v. Bajakajian​

From Clarence Thomas's decision.
Whatever his other vices, respondent does not fit into the class of persons for whom the statute was principally designed: He is not a money launderer, a drug trafficker, or a tax evader.

Trump is a tax evader, hell,

No one is a victim if they didn't loose any money.
And Trump tax evaded how?

So in other words this is a judicial revenge hit for something you believed Trump did illegally in the past?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'll let fox news explain it to you,kids.

No victim no crime

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Show's what you know:

Civil fraud is a lawsuit between individuals or corporations to describe improper activity which may stop short of the criminal threshold1. It involves the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim2. To prove civil fraud, there must be damages that occurred as a result of the fraud3. Unlike criminal fraud, civil fraud only needs to be proven on a balance of probabilities, not beyond a reasonable doubt1.

"balance of probabilities"

Numbnuts when was trump convicted of fraud? Who was on the jury?
And numbnuts New York used a law that rendered victims more money if it felt the victim did not receive just award in monetary compensation. So who was the victim?
When was their a criminal trial for fraud?
And how much money did the victim loose?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Same response:

Civil fraud is a lawsuit between individuals or corporations to describe improper activity which may stop short of the criminal threshold1. It involves the intentional misrepresentation or concealment of an important fact upon which the victim is meant to rely, and in fact does rely, to the harm of the victim2. To prove civil fraud, there must be damages that occurred as a result of the fraud3. Unlike criminal fraud, civil fraud only needs to be proven on a balance of probabilities, not beyond a reasonable doubt1.

And same response
Numbnuts when was trump convicted of fraud? Who was on the jury?
And numbnuts New York used a law that rendered victims more money if it felt the victim did not receive just award in monetary compensation. So who was the victim?
When was their a criminal trial for fraud?
And how much money did the victim loose?

 

[BULLDOG]

No one is a victim if they didn't loose any money.
And Trump tax evaded how?

So in other words this is a judicial revenge hit for something you believed Trump did illegally in the past?

Of course it is for stuff he did in the past, dumb ass. He broke the law, and now he's being charged in court for it. .

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Of course it is for stuff he did in the past, dumb ass. He broke the law, and now he's being charged in court for it. .

Stupid their are no victims in the past. Not one has filed a complaint for real estate fraud against trump that new York has been dealing with in the present.
Statute of Limitations

Case	Time Since	The Law
Fraud	6 years	CPLR213(8)
Kidnapping	No time limit or 5 years depending on the facts	Crim. Proc. 30.10(2)(a) or (b)
Legal malpractice	3 years	CPLR 214(6)
Libel/Slander	1 year from act	CPLR 215(3)

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