New York Times: $15 an Hour is Meant to Drive Fast Food Out of Business

[JoeB131]

A number of McDonald's have already installed Kiosks where customers can submit their orders. That eliminates the need for 3-4 employees at the front counter. The next thing will be machines to make burgers.

Really? I've never seen these. It strikes me if these were really practical, everyone would have them by now.

 

[Care4all]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

 

[francoHFW]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

They're also the happiest country on Earth....I question your stats. Back later.

 

[francoHFW]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Don't be disengenuous- they have an effective min wage. It's like how the dupes go on about our high corporate taxes when 55% of giant corps pay nothing and the average is 12%. etc etc

I question greedy, often racist, brainwashed GOPers' way of basing how much people are worth lol...After 30 years of Reaganism and bs propaganda, the the nonrich and country are falling apart...see sig.

 

[LOki]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

If francoHFW can say, "Hey, Australia has a high minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture--without you bitching at him--then , YES I CAN!

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

So?

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

No.

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

So?

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

 

[Care4all]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

They're also the happiest country on Earth....I question your stats. Back later.

Yes....they are the happiest people on Earth or one of the happiest groups of people on Earth.

They also pay the highest taxes on Earth and they are FINE WITH IT.....because they have the best pensions, the best educational system for their citizens including college, they have the best health care coverage, the best of any and all social programs for their citizens in the world....

They help their OWN, they are not selfish in any way. It's 100% socialism there....and it works for them.

It's a completely different way of living and thinking that the USA is incapable of being like, we seem to like our doggy dog world and HATE with a passion any kind of taxes going to help other citizens.

 

[LOki]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Don't be disengenuous-

I'm not being disingenuous.

they have an effective min wage.

Stop being disingenuous--effective minimum wage is an ENTIRELY different thing (both economically and morally) than statutory minimum wage... and you know it.

It's like how the dupes go on about our high corporate taxes when 55% of giant corps pay nothing and the average is 12%. etc etc

I object to that bullshit too. What's your point?

I question greedy, often racist, brainwashed GOPers' way of basing how much people are worth lol...After 30 years of Reaganism and bs propaganda, the the nonrich and country are falling apart...see sig.

So what?

Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

 

[Care4all]

So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes. The real world proves all your your hysteria about raising the min wage is total bs...functional morons.

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

If francoHFW can say, "Hey, Australia has a high minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture--without you bitching at him--then , YES I CAN!

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

So?

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

No.

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

So?

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

So tell me why you gave Denmark as an example of how not having a minimum wage works for them, without looking at the whole picture in Denmark and without considering all the factors involved?

Do you think we could be as successful as Denmark is without having a minimum wage, without all the other social programs as safety nets that they have?

Do you think Denmark as a Nation can compare to the USA as a Nation and this is why you gave them as an example of why and how the lack of a minimum wage can work for us?

 

[danielpalos]

Considering what we know about the left, this theory sounds more plausible than the left's claim that it wants minimum wage workers to earn a "living wage."

New York Times 15 an Hour is Meant to Drive Fast Food Out of Business Red Statements​

As noted by the New York Post , the New York Times has let it slip that the real goal of the $15 dollar an hour wage is to drive cheap fast food restaurants out of business. And as they said:

“The restaurant industry . . . will not go down without a fight.”

But, I thought that all the businesses affected by the minimum wage were just greedy and could easily afford the wages they should have been paying all along? I guess that wasn’t true. That certainly wasn’t the case for Z Pizza in Seattle. Z Pizza employed 11 employees, who were convinced their lives would be better since they would now be making the astronomical sum of $15 an hour. The owner, Ritu Shah Burnham, tried everything. She laid off workers, cut hours and even quit paying herself a salary, but in the end, she was forced to close her doors. You see, while most businesses her size had six years before paying the $15, she had only two because she owns a franchise. She got nailed on Obamacare for the same reason.

Liberals in their infinite wisdom (cough cough) they decided that a small franchisee should be lumped together with all the the franchisees and company owned restaurants. To me, this is further proof that the goal is to destroy them. I mean, what difference is there between a franchise restaurant owner with 11 employees and any other pizza joint with 11 employees? This is Michelle Obama’s lunches for adults. The same liberals who demand the right to choose to kill innocent babies, is unwilling to give you the right to decide what to eat. ​

Nope; it is just a diversion for the main advance of ending impediments to our privileges and immunities regarding the concept of employment at will and unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines, simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

 

[francoHFW]

Denmark and other modern countries get a lot more for their tax dollar, free health care, day care, college,great early retirement, -6 week vacations, great infrastructure, no homeless people, very low prison rates- and according to the BBC article here, not much higher tax rates if you include ALL taxes and fees. Same way the nonrich pay taxes as high as the richest in the US if you include ALL taxes and fees.

Which country has the highest tax rate - BBC News

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

They're also the happiest country on Earth....I question your stats. Back later.

Yes....they are the happiest people on Earth or one of the happiest groups of people on Earth.

They also pay the highest taxes on Earth and they are FINE WITH IT.....because they have the best pensions, the best educational system for their citizens including college, they have the best health care coverage, the best of any and all social programs for their citizens in the world....

They help their OWN, they are not selfish in any way. It's 100% socialism there....and it works for them.

It's a completely different way of living and thinking that the USA is incapable of being like, we seem to like our doggy dog world and HATE with a passion any kind of taxes going to help other citizens.

what is the India , Pakistan,Mexican, Irish, German, China, Japan , Polish, France, Russian, African, etc.... Population of this utopia ?

1%?

 

[danielpalos]

In the US, our problem seems to be, the cognitive dissonance of sacrificing the End of our War on Poverty to the Means of the coercive of force of the State with our War on Drugs.

 

[francoHFW]

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

They're also the happiest country on Earth....I question your stats. Back later.

Yes....they are the happiest people on Earth or one of the happiest groups of people on Earth.

They also pay the highest taxes on Earth and they are FINE WITH IT.....because they have the best pensions, the best educational system for their citizens including college, they have the best health care coverage, the best of any and all social programs for their citizens in the world....

They help their OWN, they are not selfish in any way. It's 100% socialism there....and it works for them.

It's a completely different way of living and thinking that the USA is incapable of being like, we seem to like our doggy dog world and HATE with a passion any kind of taxes going to help other citizens.

True, but they DO have ambition, do have rich people- just not to ridiculous extremes of a-hole megarich Pubs and the Reaganist US lol...

 

[Care4all]

Denmark and other modern countries get a lot more for their tax dollar, free health care, day care, college,great early retirement, -6 week vacations, great infrastructure, no homeless people, very low prison rates- and according to the BBC article here, not much higher tax rates if you include ALL taxes and fees. Same way the nonrich pay taxes as high as the richest in the US if you include ALL taxes and fees.

Which country has the highest tax rate - BBC News

Yes Franco, it works for them, because they CARE for their fellow citizens, in every manner....we, on the other hand, are "All about me" and could care less about the poor...it's their problem, is the attitude, especially from conservatives.

Also, our entire economic system in the USA relies on our "purchasing power", and a whole new economic engine would need to be developed, in order for it to work as in
Denmark, for every citizen.

 

[LOki]

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Denmark, and Austria don't have statutory minimum wage... some more real world for you.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

If francoHFW can say, "Hey, Australia has a high minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture--without you bitching at him--then , YES I CAN!

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

So?

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

No.

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

So?

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

So tell me why you gave Denmark as an example of how not having a minimum wage works for them, without looking at the whole picture in Denmark and without considering all the factors involved?

Why don't you read what I was responding to to find out... it's right there.

Fuck that. You're an idiot. I need to lower my expectations.

Here you go:

FrancoHFW said: "So why is our min wage at most 2/3 of ALL other modern countries, and less than half of NZ and Australia, hater dupes." (emphasis added to help the dopes)​

Do you think we could be as successful as Denmark is without having a minimum wage, without all the other social programs as safety nets that they have?

Yes.

Do you think Denmark as a Nation can compare to the USA as a Nation and this is why you gave them as an example of why and how the lack of a minimum wage can work for us?

No.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Or tell us why you won't tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

 

[LOki]

Denmark and other modern countries get a lot more for their tax dollar, free health care, day care, college,great early retirement, -6 week vacations, great infrastructure, no homeless people, very low prison rates- and according to the BBC article here, not much higher tax rates if you include ALL taxes and fees. Same way the nonrich pay taxes as high as the richest in the US if you include ALL taxes and fees.

Which country has the highest tax rate - BBC News

So what?

Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Workers bees will be replaced with automation at FF places, no doubt about it. They can even eliminate the need for more than one or two people to handle the payment/food delivery. All automated, swipe your smart phone/card, pick up at the end of the line. Anyone think this won't come to pass? Twenty years ago a computer that fits into your hand was unthinkable too.

 

[francoHFW]

A days work

Denmark and other modern countries get a lot more for their tax dollar, free health care, day care, college,great early retirement, -6 week vacations, great infrastructure, no homeless people, very low prison rates- and according to the BBC article here, not much higher tax rates if you include ALL taxes and fees. Same way the nonrich pay taxes as high as the richest in the US if you include ALL taxes and fees.

Which country has the highest tax rate - BBC News

Yes Franco, it works for them, because they CARE for their fellow citizens, in every manner....we, on the other hand, are "All about me" and could care less about the poor...it's their problem, is the attitude, especially from conservatives.

Also, our entire economic system in the USA relies on our "purchasing power", and a whole new economic engine would need to be developed, in order for it to work as in
Denmark, for every citizen.

Not that hard to make it fair ENOUGH- change tax rates on the rich and giant corps, min wage, college repayment, day care payment, no need to change economic engine as I understand it.

 

[francoHFW]

Denmark and other modern countries get a lot more for their tax dollar, free health care, day care, college,great early retirement, -6 week vacations, great infrastructure, no homeless people, very low prison rates- and according to the BBC article here, not much higher tax rates if you include ALL taxes and fees. Same way the nonrich pay taxes as high as the richest in the US if you include ALL taxes and fees.

Which country has the highest tax rate - BBC News

So what?

Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

So EVERYTHING. And I don't want brainwashed a-holes deciding wages as we have today...

 

[Care4all]

They don't need one, because unions are so strong and the bosses aren't shortsighted, brainwashed, a-hole GOPers most of the time. For example, the effective min wage in Denmark is $20...

Rationalize it as you like, the real world just demonstrated that your notions about the "real world" are meaningless. Not "ALL other modern countries" have a statutory minimum wage higher than the U.S.

The "modern countries" with no statutory minimum wage seem to be doing OK.

Tell us your objection to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth.

Loki, do you truly think you can compare the United States to Denmark, and say, "Hey, they don't have a minimum wage and it works for them'', without looking at the whole picture?

Denmark has the highest tax rates in the world. for every $1000 you earn, you come home with...you net $490 dollar, $510 out of your $1000 goes towards taxes and social / safety net programs.

Do you actually believe we should model ourselves after Denmark or even could model ourselves after Denmark without a second Revolution against taxation?

They have the least amount of purchasing power in all of the E/U.

They're also the happiest country on Earth....I question your stats. Back later.

Yes....they are the happiest people on Earth or one of the happiest groups of people on Earth.

They also pay the highest taxes on Earth and they are FINE WITH IT.....because they have the best pensions, the best educational system for their citizens including college, they have the best health care coverage, the best of any and all social programs for their citizens in the world....

They help their OWN, they are not selfish in any way. It's 100% socialism there....and it works for them.

It's a completely different way of living and thinking that the USA is incapable of being like, we seem to like our doggy dog world and HATE with a passion any kind of taxes going to help other citizens.

what is the India , Pakistan,Mexican, Irish, German, China, Japan , Polish, France, Russian, African, etc.... Population of this utopia ?

1%?

We can't be compared to Denmark when it comes to the fact that their country works without having a minimum wage, which was done in this thread and the other thread going simultaneously.

We don't have a "Fair Market place" when it comes to entry level workers, because illegal immigration is a huge factor in suppressing the work's worth.