New York Times: $15 an Hour is Meant to Drive Fast Food Out of Business

[LOki]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Do you not want the People to have a voice in deciding what a worker's work is worth?

The People? Absolutely not.

 

[Care4all]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Who determines "worth", and is this just one sided? It's a VALID question that we have been asking you, yet you won't answer it?

my answer to your question is that it will drive wages down farther than they already are, if you think ONLY the business has the right to determine "worth" of a human being or the job they do for the employer....the employer by nature, will always want to pocket more money for himself if he is the only one determining worth....that's not capitalism... Can the future employee examine his possible employer's books to see what he feels he would be worth to that company for the established work that he would be doing and negotiate with such info? Employees are already at a disadvantage in negotiating salaries.

Sure, yeah, blah blah blah, the employee can choose not to work there and go work somewhere else 40 miles from his home if he doesn't like it crapola,

we might as well live in the age of slavery again....when all the power is in the hands of one, the employer or master...and that is simply WRONG, for the country.

Federally mandated minimum wages are unnecessary. It's a state and local issue but even without gov't meddling, the market for labor properly sets the rate. Below is a list of major American employers that have voluntarily raised their pay scale in the past 3 months in response to market conditions:
McDonald's
Aetna
Walmart
T.J. Maxx
Target
Starbucks
Ikea
Gap
Costco
In-N-Out Burger
Ben & Jerry's
Shake Shack
Whole Foods

they've done it because of the screaming and yelling and protests by the movement wanting $15...if the media attention on their rears were not present, would they decide to share in their growth....for YEARS they haven't.

 

[bripat9643]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Who decides what the worker's worth is?

The consumer does.

 

[LOki]

I hope they close most of the fast food joints and replace them with old style Diners, Cafe's and Brew Pubs.

Unfortunately, those are precisely the kinds of establishments (local proprietorships and the like) that cannot subsidize their workers who are over-paid (by legislative fiat) by under-paying workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Do you not want the People to have a voice in deciding what a worker's work is worth?

The People? Absolutely not.

So we should take the right of making labor law away from the People? Are you daft?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I hope they close most of the fast food joints and replace them with old style Diners, Cafe's and Brew Pubs.

Unfortunately, those are precisely the kinds of establishments (local proprietorships and the like) that cannot subsidize their workers who are over-paid (by legislative fiat) by under-paying workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage.

Then they should go out of business.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Who decides what the worker's worth is?

The consumer does.

Then what? Legalize child prostitution and let the market decide?

 

[LOki]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Do you not want the People to have a voice in deciding what a worker's work is worth?

The People? Absolutely not.

So we should take the right of making labor law away from the People?

I made no statement regarding disenfranchisement.

Are you daft?

No. I'm no Communist or Socialist either. Wages should not be determined by popular vote, government committee, bureaucratic fiat, or any other function of political sovereignty. None of that has worked... EVER.

Are YOU daft?

 

[Pete7469]

The intention of the minimum wage in the first place was to make it more difficult for blacks to find employment.

The business-friendly National Center for Policy Analysis points out “the 1931 Davis-Bacon Act, requiring ‘prevailing’ wages on federally assisted construction projects, was supported by the idea that it would keep contractors from using ‘cheap colored labor’ to underbid contractors using white labor.”

 

[Pete7469]

Not to worry, soon there will be robots to replace people. I find it hard to believe a robot can be bought and maintained for much less then 15 dollars an hour but because of the liberals good intentions we soon may find out.

A number of McDonald's have already installed Kiosks where customers can submit their orders. That eliminates the need for 3-4 employees at the front counter. The next thing will be machines to make burgers.

Pretty soon you'll have 3-6 people in the entire store to do nothing but clean, maintain and load the machines.

Liberalism always leads to the opposite of it's supposedly intended results.

I'm sure that the criminlally insane sociopaths that control the democrookparty know exactly what the real results will be though. The average bed wetter doesn't have sense enough.

 

[LOki]

I hope they close most of the fast food joints and replace them with old style Diners, Cafe's and Brew Pubs.

Unfortunately, those are precisely the kinds of establishments (local proprietorships and the like) that cannot subsidize their workers who are over-paid (by legislative fiat) by under-paying workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage.

Then they should go out of business.

They shouldn't go out of business because they can't underpay workers to subsidize the wages of over-paid workers.

They shouldn't go out of business due to legislative fiat (legislation likely supported by companies with more extensive organization charts).

 

[Pete7469]

No. I'm no Communist or Socialist either. Wages should not be determined by popular vote, government committee, bureaucratic fiat, or any other function of political sovereignty. None of that has worked... EVER.

Are YOU daft?

I can honestly say that NYC is one of the most profoundly daft people stealing our oxygen on a daily basis.

 

[JFK_USA]

So republicans hate the poor get any government assistance. No education credits, no food stamps, nothing.

Then they bitch about poor people making a wage that they could live off of. Do Republicans just want poor people to die?

 

[Iceweasel]

The price of beef, that has skyrocketed. why isn't that putting fast food out of business?

The lowering of the quality of hamburger beef?

 

[LOki]

So republicans hate the poor get any government assistance. No education credits, no food stamps, nothing.

Then they bitch about poor people making a wage that they could live off of. Do Republicans just want poor people to die?

What is your objection to basing a worker's wages solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

 

[SAYIT]

This seems like a good place to ask this question of the statutory minimum wage proponents:

What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Worth to whom? Is the buck or two an hour that some factory worker in China gets a valid determination of what his work is worth?

Does that means every factory worker anywhere else in the world making more is overpaid?

What are you going on about? China? WTF?

If you have an answer you're not comfortable sharing, don't distract--the question is simple and straightforward:
What is your objection to basing a worker's wage solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

Who determines "worth", and is this just one sided? It's a VALID question that we have been asking you, yet you won't answer it?

my answer to your question is that it will drive wages down farther than they already are, if you think ONLY the business has the right to determine "worth" of a human being or the job they do for the employer....the employer by nature, will always want to pocket more money for himself if he is the only one determining worth....that's not capitalism... Can the future employee examine his possible employer's books to see what he feels he would be worth to that company for the established work that he would be doing and negotiate with such info? Employees are already at a disadvantage in negotiating salaries.

Sure, yeah, blah blah blah, the employee can choose not to work there and go work somewhere else 40 miles from his home if he doesn't like it crapola,

we might as well live in the age of slavery again....when all the power is in the hands of one, the employer or master...and that is simply WRONG, for the country.

Federally mandated minimum wages are unnecessary. It's a state and local issue but even without gov't meddling, the market for labor properly sets the rate. Below is a list of major American employers that have voluntarily raised their pay scale in the past 3 months in response to market conditions:
McDonald's
Aetna
Walmart
T.J. Maxx
Target
Starbucks
Ikea
Gap
Costco
In-N-Out Burger
Ben & Jerry's
Shake Shack
Whole Foods

they've done it because of the screaming and yelling and protests by the movement wanting $15...if the media attention on their rears were not present, would they decide to share in their growth....for YEARS they haven't.

That is your OPINION.
The FACT is as I stated: the employers listed VOLUNTARILY raised their wage scale.

 

[Iceweasel]

So republicans hate the poor get any government assistance. No education credits, no food stamps, nothing.

Then they bitch about poor people making a wage that they could live off of. Do Republicans just want poor people to die?

No, just libtards. You fuck everything up.

 

[SAYIT]

Unfortunately, those are precisely the kinds of establishments (local proprietorships and the like) that cannot subsidize their workers who are over-paid (by legislative fiat) by under-paying workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage.

Then they should go out of business.

Fortunately idiots like you don't get to make those decisions.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unfortunately, those are precisely the kinds of establishments (local proprietorships and the like) that cannot subsidize their workers who are over-paid (by legislative fiat) by under-paying workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage.

Then they should go out of business.

Fortunately idiots like you don't get to make those decisions.

The People get to set the minimum wage through the legislative process.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So republicans hate the poor get any government assistance. No education credits, no food stamps, nothing.

Then they bitch about poor people making a wage that they could live off of. Do Republicans just want poor people to die?

The Republican party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the rich and the corporations.