New Zealand man Shoots up government office with shotgun...but, that only happens here...right?

[Skylar]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you even attempt to answer this question:

Then why are the proportion of gun homicides as part of total homicides in New Zealand about 1/5 of what they are here. And of course, their guns per resident is also about 1/5th.

That seems an awful strange coincidence if there is no relationship between gun availability and gun violence.

 

[Skylar]

Since you are moving the goal posts to avoid answering questions....here you go...another paper not by the expert on the issue John Lott...


“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014


Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

Don't show me the abstract. Show me the study.

 

[Rustic]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you even attempt to answer this question:

Then why are the proportion of gun homicides as part of total homicides in New Zealand about 1/5 of what they are here. And of course, their guns per resident is also about 1/5th.

That seems an awful strange coincidence if there is no relationship between gun availability and gun violence.

Criminal control not gun control...

 

[2aguy]

Since you are moving the goal posts to avoid answering questions....here you go...another paper not by the expert on the issue John Lott...


“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014


Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

Don't show me the abstract. Show me the study.

I did...twit...follow the link I provided....

 

[2aguy]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you even attempt to answer this question:

Then why are the proportion of gun homicides as part of total homicides in New Zealand about 1/5 of what they are here. And of course, their guns per resident is also about 1/5th.

That seems an awful strange coincidence if there is no relationship between gun availability and gun violence.

Again..their criminals do not murder as often as ours do......it is as simple as that......we have more people carrying guns now and our gun murder rate went down...explain that.

You guys seem to think that normal people given access to guns are going to start murdering each other....and not one study shows that to be true. People who commit murder have long histories of violent behavior and criminal behavior...so you can allow New Zealanders, and Americans and law abiding British people to own guns and they won't use them to commit murder...even when their dinner is cold......

Our criminal sub culture is more violent and will commit murder more readily than those in New Zealand and Britain...for now.......and their criminals obviously can get guns when they want them.....as the 4% increase in gun violence in Britain shows...and the arming of more police in Britain shows...

It is culture, not access to guns that determines the gun murder rate..../

Iceland has a huge number of guns per 100,000 people and almost no murder...again...culture, not access to guns.

 

[2aguy]

Since you are moving the goal posts to avoid answering questions....here you go...another paper not by the expert on the issue John Lott...


“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014


Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates.

Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states.

It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

Don't show me the abstract. Show me the study.

And here you go....another paper from Dr. Lott, the expert in this field and a survey he did of other researchers in the area of guns and self defense...

Economists' and Criminologists' Views on Guns: Crime, Suicides, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws by John R. Lott, Gary A. Mauser :: SSRN

Abstract:
Economists and Criminologists have very different models of human behavior.

A total of 74 out of all 130 academics who published peer-reviewed empirical research on gun issues in criminology and economics journals responded to our survey.

That was a 57% response rate.

Looking at their views on their views on deterrence and regulations generally, our survey finds that these two groups have very different views on gun regulations that vary in systematic, predictable ways.

Our survey results are consistent with those predictions and statistically significant. While economists tend to view guns as making people safer, criminologists hold this position less strongly.

Combining all the economists and criminologists together shows that researchers believe that guns are used more in self-defense than in crime; gun-free zones attract criminals; guns in the home do not increase the risk of suicide; concealed handgun permit holders are much more law-abiding than the typical American; and that permitted concealed handguns lower the murder rate.

All those results are statistically significant. The survey of economists was conducted from August 25th to September 12th 2014. The survey of criminologists was conducted from May 29th to June 14th 2015.

 

[2aguy]

This is why Japan doesn't have lots of crime......any crime...except for gropers apparently.........

Not gun control......a culture that emphasizes the group over the individual...and where crime is abhorrent to the entire population...unlike here in the U.S. where thugs start fake movements....

The secret of Japan’s mysteriously low crime rate

Japan is often considered slightly odd compared to other countries. Its economic success, distinct culture and disciplined population has made Japan rather unique, and produced one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

The country has 127 million people yet street crime is almost unheard of; the murder rate is only lower in tiny Monaco and Palau, and the use of drugs is minimal compared to other industrialized countries.

The Japanese intolerance to illicit drugs – seen as evidence of bad personal character – were demonstrated with the national outrage the followed when two well-known sumo wrestlers tested positive for marijuana in 2008.

A Japanese friend of mine explained that going to prison would be an unimaginable social stigma for most people, leading to a widespread public perception that crimes are mostly committed by foreigners.

The belief that almost all Japanese are law-abiding also creates a system that routinely treats suspects as guilty until proven otherwise.

In such a hierarchical and deferential society, suspects face enormous pressure to cooperate with the investigators and admitting guilt, leading to a conviction rate in the courts of more than 99%.

The criminal justice system is founded on a strong belief that the criminal must repent for his crime – not simply being punished the law – and Japanese prisons are well-known (or notorious) for their strict discipline and order.

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What are most disturbing are however arguments that the low crime is partially a result of a police culture that are obsessed with keeping crime statistics low.

Former detectives claim that police is unwilling to investigate homicides unless there is a clear suspects and frequently labels unnatural deaths as suicides without performing autopsies.

Coincidentally, Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.