NEWS FLASH!!!!!! Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian BFD!

[Siete]

the question is, what did Manafort get from Russia in the exchange ?

 

[g5000]

Although the filing does not say whether the polling information was public or what was done with it, it raises the possibility that Russia might have used inside information from the Trump campaign as part of its effort to interfere with the election on Trump’s behalf.

Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

SO what is the BIG f...king DEAL? This deserves a headline!
More importantly... SO what if he did share polling data? BIG f...king DEAL!

A) Is there ANY proof that the Russians hacked into any states voting ballots and altered them?
ANY????

B) SO what if they tried to influence voters? What do you dummies that get all excited as the AP did i.e. the above as THEY are doing that RIGHT now with this article!

They are trying to influence voters that Trump is bad. That is influencing the voters.
If the Russians did that it is no different than the AP doing it!

But this is just further proof of how poorly the MSM is doing and further justification for this action!
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines | The Dallas Morning News | Dallas News

The web survey of 1,440 Gallup Panel members sought to quantify exactly how much problematic information people believe they encounter in traditional news media as well as on social media.

Overall, U.S. adults estimate that 62% of the news they read in newspapers, see on television or hear on the radio is biased.Americans: Much Misinformation, Bias, Inaccuracy in News

The stages of pseudocon denial:

1. No he didn't!

2. Well, if he did, it isn't illegal!

3. Ok, it was illegal, but so what?

4. B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!

5. Look! A squirrel!

 

[bendog]

Although the filing does not say whether the polling information was public or what was done with it, it raises the possibility that Russia might have used inside information from the Trump campaign as part of its effort to interfere with the election on Trump’s behalf.

Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

SO what is the BIG f...king DEAL? This deserves a headline!
More importantly... SO what if he did share polling data? BIG f...king DEAL!

A) Is there ANY proof that the Russians hacked into any states voting ballots and altered them?
ANY????

B) SO what if they tried to influence voters? What do you dummies that get all excited as the AP did i.e. the above as THEY are doing that RIGHT now with this article!

They are trying to influence voters that Trump is bad. That is influencing the voters.
If the Russians did that it is no different than the AP doing it!

But this is just further proof of how poorly the MSM is doing and further justification for this action!
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines | The Dallas Morning News | Dallas News

The web survey of 1,440 Gallup Panel members sought to quantify exactly how much problematic information people believe they encounter in traditional news media as well as on social media.

Overall, U.S. adults estimate that 62% of the news they read in newspapers, see on television or hear on the radio is biased.Americans: Much Misinformation, Bias, Inaccuracy in News

The stages of pseudocon denial:

1. No he didn't!

2. Well, if he did, it isn't illegal!

3. Ok, it was illegal, but so what?

4. B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!

5. Look! A squirrel!

Manafort shared Trump's campaign's polling data with a Russian intelligence operative, who was also getting paid from the same fund as Manafort, AFTER Manafort left Trump's campaign .. and the Russian intelliegence operative was also employed by the same Russian Oligarch tied to Trump's Moscow Tower, which contrary to what Trump said

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

WHAT OFFENSE against the USA????

Well, it could lead to a charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States. This has been covered in the thread already.

 

[healthmyths]

Although the filing does not say whether the polling information was public or what was done with it, it raises the possibility that Russia might have used inside information from the Trump campaign as part of its effort to interfere with the election on Trump’s behalf.

Filing: Manafort lied about sharing poll data with Russian

SO what is the BIG f...king DEAL? This deserves a headline!
More importantly... SO what if he did share polling data? BIG f...king DEAL!

A) Is there ANY proof that the Russians hacked into any states voting ballots and altered them?
ANY????

B) SO what if they tried to influence voters? What do you dummies that get all excited as the AP did i.e. the above as THEY are doing that RIGHT now with this article!

They are trying to influence voters that Trump is bad. That is influencing the voters.
If the Russians did that it is no different than the AP doing it!

But this is just further proof of how poorly the MSM is doing and further justification for this action!
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines
Dallas Morning News lays off 43 as company struggles with revenue declines | The Dallas Morning News | Dallas News

The web survey of 1,440 Gallup Panel members sought to quantify exactly how much problematic information people believe they encounter in traditional news media as well as on social media.

Overall, U.S. adults estimate that 62% of the news they read in newspapers, see on television or hear on the radio is biased.Americans: Much Misinformation, Bias, Inaccuracy in News

The stages of pseudocon denial:

1. No he didn't!

2. Well, if he did, it isn't illegal!

3. Ok, it was illegal, but so what?

4. B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!

5. Look! A squirrel!

Manafort shared Trump's campaign's polling data with a Russian intelligence operative, who was also getting paid from the same fund as Manafort, AFTER Manafort left Trump's campaign .. and the Russian intelliegence operative was also employed by the same Russian Oligarch tied to Trump's Moscow Tower, which contrary to what Trump said

AGAIN... WHERE is the evidence that:
18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

WHERE was the attempt to commit an OFFENSE??? Or to DEFRAUD?

What is the offense? Helping a propagandist distribute propaganda? What is the difference between that and the BIASED MSM distributing BIASED propaganda?

 

[Shrimpbox]

Think about what Manafort has done, here. He completely castrated himself with the agreement, denying himself any recourse against the Feds, should he break the agreement. And yet, somehow, someone put more pressure on him than this and got him to lie and pass on information anyway.

You have no proof for such a statement. That is pure conjecture.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have no proof for such a statement. That is pure conjecture.

That someone put pressure on Manafort? Of course they did. Otherwise one would have to assume he is insane and irrational. Manafort had some sort of incentive to break his agreement.

 

[Lesh]

You have no proof for such a statement. That is pure conjecture.

That someone put pressure on Manafort? Of course they did. Otherwise one would have to assume he is insane and irrational. Manafort had some sort of incentive to break his agreement.

Fear of the Russian Mafia?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Fear of the Russian Mafia?

That is certainly one possibility. He disappeared about $16 million of an oligarch's money.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Or maybe Trump promised to pay his legal fees, if he shared info. That doesn't seem like enough incentive, though.

 

[Shrimpbox]

As I said. You have no proof. Let’s put it in a nice way. There is no corroboration for your claim. And while I haven’t had time to read all the pages, tony pedestal did the exact same thing manafort did and as far as I know has not been charged with anything. And let’s ask this question for you people with such righteous indignation. Is paying a former fbi informant to collect fake Russian information which is then disseminated to the press the fbi, the justice department in an effort to abort the outcome of an election a felony?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

As I said. You have no proof. Let’s put it in a nice way. There is no corroboration for your claim.

The fact that he broke his agreement is corroboration for the claim that he had some sort of incentive to do so. Stick your head in the sand if you like, but what you just said is false.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Think about what Manafort has done, here. He completely castrated himself with the agreement, denying himself any recourse against the Feds, should he break the agreement. And yet, somehow, someone put more pressure on him than this and got him to lie and pass on information anyway.

You have no proof for such a statement. That is pure conjecture.

You state someone put some pressure on him to make him commit this act. Insinuating of course that trump made him do it. Of this you have no proof. That is a fact whether you like it or not. I’m done with your specious talk.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You state someone put some pressure on him to make him commit this act.

Absolutely. He had incentive to break his deal, despite the immense exposure doing so brought him. This is plain. Unless you would like to propose that it was a unicorn that incentivized him, or a dragon.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Insinuating of course that trump made him do it.

Not at all, could have been one or some of many people . You filled that blank in all by yourself. And you did so rather quickly... I wonder what this tells us....

 

[Shrimpbox]

Well fort, more fake news that you swallowed hook line and sinker.

New York Times issues correction to bombshell report on Manafort, Oleg Deripaska

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well fort, more fake news that you swallowed hook line and sinker.

New York Times issues correction to bombshell report on Manafort, Oleg Deripaska

Sorry, but you forgot to make your point. Do you have one? Did you even read a word of that article? How is it relevant to anything I have said?

 

[Centrista]

Collusion is not a crime, so its probably not in the criminal code. Maybe its in the new bullshit dictionary?

Conspiracy is a crime.

 

[Centrista]

More importantly... SO what if he did share polling data? BIG f...king DEAL!

That's collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians

And what is wrong with that? Were there any votes altered by the Russians? NO.
Collusion with the Russians IS NOT A CRIME!
The federal bribery statute -- 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2)(B) -- makes it a federal crime for a public official to "collude" in a fraud on the United States. More specifically, the federal bribery statute expressly states that a crime is committed when a public official "directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value ... in return for ... being influenced to ... collude in ... any fraud ... on the United States."
Sorry, President Trump, collusion IS a crime (opinion) - CNN

Where was there a "FRAUD" on the USA? Prove the fraud please!

Colluding with someone to commit a crime is conspiracy. And it's a crime.

 

[healthmyths]

More importantly... SO what if he did share polling data? BIG f...king DEAL!

That's collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians

And what is wrong with that? Were there any votes altered by the Russians? NO.
Collusion with the Russians IS NOT A CRIME!
The federal bribery statute -- 18 U.S.C. § 201(b)(2)(B) -- makes it a federal crime for a public official to "collude" in a fraud on the United States. More specifically, the federal bribery statute expressly states that a crime is committed when a public official "directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value ... in return for ... being influenced to ... collude in ... any fraud ... on the United States."
Sorry, President Trump, collusion IS a crime (opinion) - CNN

Where was there a "FRAUD" on the USA? Prove the fraud please!

Colluding with someone to commit a crime is conspiracy. And it's a crime.

Once again selective editing LIKE the MSM did!

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

A) Where was the conspiracy?
B) What was the OFFENSE that supposedly was being conspired?
C) If sharing material regarding political candidates is an offense to the USA then we need to charge the following people with conspiring to commit an offense.

85% of the 1,353 network news anchors,editors,executives donated over $1 million to Obama and Democrats so why would anything these reporters/editors/producers write be objective?"
Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters