next target of the left will be talk radio

Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

Jakematters, you are retarded and an unrepentant liar. You know NOTHING about business - not a hint of a clue. You make your living off of the public dole and a stipend from the Soros group for you to post lies here.

So, as a leftist fucktard, explain how Apple Computer, with BoD of Al Gore, Andy Grove. Robert Igar, Andrea Jung, and fucking Arthur D. Levinson is "right wing?'

Real "right wing," you stupid pile of shit.
 
Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

Jakematters, you are retarded and an unrepentant liar. You know NOTHING about business - not a hint of a clue. You make your living off of the public dole and a stipend from the Soros group for you to post lies here.

So, as a leftist fucktard, explain how Apple Computer, with BoD of Al Gore, Andy Grove. Robert Igar, Andrea Jung, and fucking Arthur D. Levinson is "right wing?'

Real "right wing," you stupid pile of shit.

This is about your failure of perception as well as your admitted failure when you attack messenger not message. (Note: I have made more than you for more than twenty years, much more.) You are now denying that you have argued that business is inherently conservative.

Your fascist Big Lie tactic continues to fail.
 
This is about your failure of perception as well as your admitted failure when you attack messenger not message. (Note: I have made more than you for more than twenty years, much more.) You are now denying that you have argued that business is inherently conservative.

Your fascist Big Lie tactic continues to fail.

Give it a rest, moron. No one, and I mean no one, will ever believe a word you post here. You get rep from Rati, Jillian, Shallow, and the rest of the radical left - because you are radical left, you are one of theirs. If they believed for a second that you were "right of center," you'd never see a rep point from them.

You're a lying fuck, and too stupid to grasp that the most you will achieve is people laughing at you.

Stop lying Jake, you're a FAR left wing, Obamabot democrat. You insult everyone with your stupid lies.
 
Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

How does a fiscally liberal business ever make a profit?
Amazing the ignorance of Americans on Econ 101.
 
Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

How does a fiscally liberal business ever make a profit?
Amazing the ignorance of Americans on Econ 101.

Thats because progressives believe in do as I say not as I do mentality.
 
Doesn't work that way, g-dog. The GOP Congress dominated the dems (the few were 'pet' dems), thus the GOP takes complete responsibility for collapsing the economy. Will you accept that?

WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.
 
Doesn't work that way, g-dog. The GOP Congress dominated the dems (the few were 'pet' dems), thus the GOP takes complete responsibility for collapsing the economy. Will you accept that?

WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

You concede in other words. Thank you.
 
Doesn't work that way, g-dog. The GOP Congress dominated the dems (the few were 'pet' dems), thus the GOP takes complete responsibility for collapsing the economy. Will you accept that?

WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

Very true

Americans are fat, dumb and lazy

We insist on endless government programs and lower taxes

Politicians give us what we want
 
Doesn't work that way, g-dog. The GOP Congress dominated the dems (the few were 'pet' dems), thus the GOP takes complete responsibility for collapsing the economy. Will you accept that?

WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

You concede in other words. Thank you.

I admit my mistakes and learn from them.
Small business owners have no choice. We have to earn our keep.
 
Doesn't work that way, g-dog. The GOP Congress dominated the dems (the few were 'pet' dems), thus the GOP takes complete responsibility for collapsing the economy. Will you accept that?

WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

Very true

Americans are fat, dumb and lazy

We insist on endless government programs and lower taxes

Politicians give us what we want

Sarcasm somewhat noted and agreed.
But it is true for many, if not most, Americans.
Why else is nothing done on Medicare, the debt, food stamps and all other social program fraud that is meant to help the needy, Medicaid and Social Security?
EVERYONE wants theirs and wants government to pay for it.
 
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This is about your failure of perception as well as your admitted failure when you attack messenger not message. (Note: I have made more than you for more than twenty years, much more.) You are now denying that you have argued that business is inherently conservative.

Your fascist Big Lie tactic continues to fail.

Give it a rest, moron. No one, and I mean no one, will ever believe a word you post here. You get rep from Rati, Jillian, Shallow, and the rest of the radical left - because you are radical left, you are one of theirs. If they believed for a second that you were "right of center," you'd never see a rep point from them.

You're a lying fuck, and too stupid to grasp that the most you will achieve is people laughing at you.

Stop lying Jake, you're a FAR left wing, Obamabot democrat. You insult everyone with your stupid lies.
 
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This is about your failure of perception as well as your admitted failure when you attack messenger not message. (Note: I have made more than you for more than twenty years, much more.) You are now denying that you have argued that business is inherently conservative.

Your fascist Big Lie tactic continues to fail.

Give it a rest, moron. No one, and I mean no one, will ever believe a word you post here. You get rep from Rati, Jillian, Shallow, and the rest of the radical left - because you are radical left, you are one of theirs. If they believed for a second that you were "right of center," you'd never see a rep point from them.

You're a lying fuck, and too stupid to grasp that the most you will achieve is people laughing at you.

Stop lying Jake, you're a FAR left wing, Obamabot democrat. You insult everyone with your stupid lies.

I certainly do not think the far right radical reactionary loons will believe me, but that does not matter in the least.

Why? Because as a mainstream GOP member for decades my job here is to combat your fascist elements from having any meaningful input in the party. And there are thousands just like me across the country doing that in local and central GOP committees.

We are having far greater success than you folks, and that is all that matters.
 
WE THE PEOPLE collapsed the economy.
WE voted ALL OF THEM INTO OFFICE.

Blame gets us no where. WE did it.
Until WE admit it NOTHING gets done as politicians LOVE this partisan war.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

Very true

Americans are fat, dumb and lazy

We insist on endless government programs and lower taxes

Politicians give us what we want

Sarcasm somewhat noted and agreed.
But it is true for many, if not most, Americans.
Why else is nothing done on Medicare, the debt, food stamps and all other social program fraud that is meant to help the needy, Medicaid and Social Security?
EVERYONE wants theirs and wants government to pay for it.

Very true...CUT the benefits others get but don't touch mine
 
What the Fairness Doctrine did from 1949 to 1987 was require that controversy on the radio be a dialogue (multiple voices). Once it was abolished by the Reaganites was exactly when we got the Lush Rimjob monologue style, where you could just blurt out anything and never have to put up with a challenge to it. The timing of that is significant; our discourse has been hyperpolarized ever since.

It's interesting to see who's afraid of their views being unchallenged. It would be like one of us putting a controversial post up here, and then locking the thread so nobody could comment.

During the postwar years there was a great compression of incomes. The polarized world of the 1920s gave way to a middle class society.

But there was a problem. This middle class society was supported by a large government infrastructure of policies and programs.

That infrastructure was not free. It was paid for by progressive taxation, the burden of which fell upon our wealthiest dynasties, families and individuals.

So what do you think the wealthy did?

They poured money into one of our two political parties until, with Reagan, they captured Washington. Then, they slowly repealed the policies that supported the postwar middle class in hopes of redirecting wealth upward.

And guess what? It worked. Starting in 1980 the U.S. saw massive income growth on top coupled with massive debt on the bottom. This is partly because middle class manufacturing jobs were shipped to Communist China, a place where America's wealthy could get their products made with ultra-cheap labor. As American workers lost solid jobs, they had to borrow more and more to keep pace. Additionally, the Reagan and post Reagan fed changed its focus from full employment (stimulus during downturns) to inflation prevention (austerity).

Listen carefully: As the wealthy consolidated their power over the GOP, a problem arose. How could they win elections if their policies only benefited the few? Answer: ideology. They built a massive ideological machine out of think tanks, publishing groups, television stations, magazines, websites and Talk Radio. Rather than the traditional anti-corporate populism of Teddy Roosevelt, this ideological bullhorn used religion, patriotism and fear to appeal to the poor and the under-educated.

Indeed, they convinced red state America that their beloved country was under siege by liberals, terrorists, gays, illegals, bra burners, hippies, drug addicts, communists, socialists, fascists, grandma killers, 2nd Amendment haters, secularists, atheists, relativists, multiculturalists, etc., etc., muslims, mexicans, gangs, etc., Al Gore, Global Warming, the Clintons, the Clintons, the Clintons.

Indeed, the rightwing voter goes into the voting booth to protect the unborn but comes out with an unregulated derivative market, insurance monopolies and bailouts for offshore corporations.

Now, Pogo . . . I've tried to explain this stuff to folks on the Right, but it doesn't work. Why? Because they have been completely captured by things like Talk Radio. They can't escape it. Limbaugh fits Plato's definition of rhetorician. He appeals to well-meaning people who don't have the intellectual resources or historical literacy to question him.

(The game is over. People don't get it. We had a good run. They won.)

I think you've basically nailed it as far as the dynamics of dittoism and denialism such as we've seen shamelessly plopped in this thread. Indeed the very next post after yours went right back to the hate mantra, as blindly polarized as ever.

Except I'd take issue with the last part "they won". Maybe it's naïve or polyanna but I don't believe it's over.

Good post though. :salute:
 
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No one is talking about communism but you, Uncensored. You are worried as any good fascist should be.
 
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Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

Jake speaks truth. Mass Media is dominated by Big Corporate, i.e. increasingly funneled into the hands of fewer and fewer bigger and bigger corporations. A Time Warner or a News Corp or a ClearChannel not only owns way too many radio/TV stations, they also own everything else that feeds it: magazines, newspapers, movie makers, book publishers, record companies, concert venues, even sports teams. That book author you're watching interviewed on Fox Nose isn't there because his book is deserving; he's there because it's published by HarperCollins, which like Fox is owned by NewsCorp. Coming up next, a preview of the new movie you have to see, which just happens to be a Fox Searchlight Pictures product -- also NewsCorp. Not interested in any of that? Tune to the NatGeo. They own that too. Which is why you'll see a commercial for what seems like a rival channel-- they're not rivals.

Now that's what I call monologue writ large. Not so much a news or entertainment complex as a self-feeding profit center.

What such a corp wants is less and less and less regulation, fewer obstacles to becoming a monopoly; and for nothing to change in its path to profits. That's Conservative with a capital C. That is what our media is made of. All that dog-and-pony show about "liberal media" is just puppet theater for those easily led drones who can be counted on to get lost gazing at the puppets and never dare to look up at who's pulling the strings.

Here's what we all have to do: look up once in a while. Because the downside of all this is fewer and fewer and fewer voices in the media. And it's been shrinking a long time.
 
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Uncensored, business is inherently conservative, as you have pointed out repeatedly for almost two years. And now you don't equate conservative with right wing? So the Koch Brothers are liberal?

Jake speaks truth. Mass Media is dominated by Big Corporate, i.e. increasingly funneled into the hands of fewer and fewer bigger and bigger corporations. A Time Warner or a News Corp or a ClearChannel not only owns way too many radio/TV stations, they also own everything else that feeds it: magazines, newspapers, movie makers, book publishers, record companies, concert venues, even sports teams. That book author you're watching interviewed on Fox Nose isn't there because his book is deserving; he's there because it's published by HarperCollins, which like Fox is owned by NewsCorp. Coming up next, a preview of the new movie you have to see, which just happens to be a Fox Searchlight Pictures product -- also NewsCorp. Not interested in any of that? Tune to the NatGeo. They own that too. Which is why you'll see a commercial for what seems like a rival channel-- they're not rivals.

Now that's what I call monologue writ large. Not so much a news or entertainment complex as a self-feeding profit center.

What such a corp wants is less and less and less regulation, fewer obstacles to becoming a monopoly; and for nothing to change in its path to profits. That's Conservative with a capital C. That is what our media is made of. All that dog-and-pony show about "liberal media" is just puppet theater for those easily led drones who can be counted on to get lost gazing at the puppets and never dare to look up at who's pulling the strings.

Here's what we all have to do: look up once in a while. Because the downside of all this is fewer and fewer and fewer voices in the media. And it's been shrinking a long time.

I bet you own stock in large corporations as most are owned by middle class Americans.
Stock holders ARE the corporations. They are PEOPLE.
There have been laws on the books for 100 years banning monopolies.
There is liberal media and there is conservative media.
To claim that all media or that the majority of media is controlled by conservatives is ignorance.
The internet allows anyone to be a voice in media. Your wallet is a larger voice as media is consumer driven with advertising.
Geez, this is too easy.
Do not like media be it liberal or conservative. TURN IT OFF.
No cry babies.
 

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