Nixon said "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. Was he right?

When a president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • No

    Votes: 18 90.0%

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BULLDOG

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We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?
 
The age of presidential oversight is coming to an end. We are entering a new phase in American history.
 
I don’t, but the reality is they pretty much can do whatever they want. W and O did whatever they wanted. W mass murdered thousands based on a lie, but nothing happened to him. O did much the same, yet he was loved.

The exception is Trump. He is hated by the ruling class, so he doesn’t have the same tyrannical power.
 
Clearly the answer should be no but apparently the president can do anything he wants if he happens to lead a party that wants to serve a king.
You’re referring to O right?
 
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We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Your wrong in your first statement - you underestimate the hypocrisy of the political right.

In the future if any liberal President does half the B.S. that they've supported for Trump, they'll pitch a fit and do their best to have them removed from office.

They simply do not believe in the rule of law.
 
Clearly the answer should be no but apparently the president can do anything he wants if he happens to lead a party that wants to serve a king.
Your referring to O right?
Nope, all he did was dare to occasionally use powers the last guy seized for himself. We all know the unitary president philosophy applies to republicans only.
 
Nixon isn't being impeached. Belongs in HISTORY

It is an excellent question. Anyone favor the Unitary President theory?

"....unless the Constitution says the president can't do something, the president can do it. That argument underwent a fundamental shift after 1980. Reagan and his attorney general, Ed Meese, regarded the Democratic-majority Congress as the enemy. They needed a theory that would let them act at home and abroad without congressional authorization, withhold information from Congress at their pleasure, and resist any attempt by Congress to find out what was going on or limit their freedom of maneuver. To Hamilton's already radical view of the executive power, they added the "unitary executive" idea.

That idea says that because "the" executive power is vested in "a president," any attempt to limit the president's control over the executive branch is unconstitutional. It supposedly follows from the "the" and the "a" that members of the executive branch are solely accountable to the president alone, and the president, in turn, may order anyone who works in the executive branch to exercise his or her discretion in fulfilling any official function however the president personally thinks best."

Constitutional Myth #3: The 'Unitary Executive' is a Dictator in War and Peace
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Your wrong in your first statement - you underestimate the hypocrisy of the political right.

In the future if any liberal President does half the B.S. that they've supported for Trump, they'll pitch a fit and do their best to have them removed from office.

They simply do not believe in the rule of law.
This is incorrect.

The Republicans will impeach the next Democrat President for the same reasons the Democrats are impeaching Trump.

Just because they want to.
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?


Depends on what you are talking about , really.

Presidents have the authority to classify or declassify documents at will. They establish policy.

So , for matters of violating "policy" as opposed to laws, since they are the ones who create the foreign policy, they cannot violate foreign policy mandates except possibly for those which are ratified treaties.

Of course any President can violate the law- but remembering that he's the one in charge, he has certain prerogatives that others don't have.

If Biden were to be elected, I'm sure that he will have a tremendous job for his beloved son who has been exonerated of all wrongdoing unanimously by the Libs. I'm sure he'll reinstate the Iran Deal and ship over pallets of currency to them again. He'll reinstitute the Paris Accords. All on his own initiative, and none of it against the law.
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

You do realize that he retracted that in the Frost interview, right?
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Your wrong in your first statement - you underestimate the hypocrisy of the political right.

In the future if any liberal President does half the B.S. that they've supported for Trump, they'll pitch a fit and do their best to have them removed from office.

They simply do not believe in the rule of law.

Yes, but a precedent is being set right now.
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Your wrong in your first statement - you underestimate the hypocrisy of the political right.

In the future if any liberal President does half the B.S. that they've supported for Trump, they'll pitch a fit and do their best to have them removed from office.

They simply do not believe in the rule of law.
This is incorrect.

The Republicans will impeach the next Democrat President for the same reasons the Democrats are impeaching Trump.

Just because they want to.

any president on the planet could defeat that because -

if it was because they were innocent.

but not trump -
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Within the legal and practical terms of his constitutional authority, as Trump has? Of course.
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?
Right now you are spewing bullhit out your mouth as usual.
 
We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

Your wrong in your first statement - you underestimate the hypocrisy of the political right.

In the future if any liberal President does half the B.S. that they've supported for Trump, they'll pitch a fit and do their best to have them removed from office.

They simply do not believe in the rule of law.

Yes, but a precedent is being set right now.

Yes it is!

We don't want a parliamentary Congress, that has an approval rating hovering in the low teens and single digits for the last 20 years, embarking on an 'age of impeachment' over our Executive Branch that is unconstitutional and rooted in outdated western European governance!

Why the fuck do you think the Revolutionary War was fought and we kicked the Brits off of our continent? Just to have a similar apparition appear??

(Drop the Mic.....).
 

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