Nixon said "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. Was he right?

[Crepitus]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

I'm betting if tRump loses in November(pretty safe bet right now) the senate will spend the last few weeks voting to limit executive powers.

This is the depth and understanding of the third world thinking uneducated Democrat serfs. They think the Senate gives and takes executive branch powers. Sheesh.

Lol @ you thinking they can't.

 

[basquebromance]

St Nixon admitted he was caught. Trump would never admit that, my friends

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

 

[BULLDOG]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

 

[Bush92]

Democratic Party wants a "banana republic" for they greatest nation on earth, and the nation that has spared millions horrible deaths from communism, terrorism, and socialism. You people are nuts.

 

[Mike473]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

The real danger here is that future Presidents will no longer have any no room to freely discuss any issues or strategies with advisers because the opposing party can claim any idea, even one not acted on, could be an impeachable offense. Thankfully, this episode is over.

 

[Bush92]

Democratic Party wants a "banana republic" for the refuse to believe that our country, is the greatest nation on earth, and the nation that has spared millions horrible deaths from communism, terrorism, and socialism. You people are nuts.

 

[BULLDOG]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

 

[BULLDOG]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

The real danger here is that future Presidents will no longer have any no room to freely discuss any issues or strategies with advisers because the opposing party can claim any idea, even one not acted on, could be an impeachable offense. Thankfully, this episode is over.

Don't be silly. This wasn't about policy. This was about using his position to discredit his political rival.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

The strike was advised by his military commanders.

 

[blackhawk]

No Nixon was not right that said claiming any President did something illegal just because you don't like them or agree with them is not right either.

 

[Mike473]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

The real danger here is that future Presidents will no longer have any no room to freely discuss any issues or strategies with advisers because the opposing party can claim any idea, even one not acted on, could be an impeachable offense. Thankfully, this episode is over.

Don't be silly. This wasn't about policy. This was about using his position to discredit his political rival.

The Biden's discredited themselves. Biden will never be President, but his family got rich and gets the last laugh.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

Oh, so you want to whine about the illegal stuff that Trump does and use Nixon as an example but don't I dare introduce Obama as an example on why Trump does illegal stuff and believe he can get away with it...

Got it, and you will wait for the official DNC talking points and declare those things being facts and when shown another opinion you will declare it is not the truth...

Fact is every leader of every nation will do something illegal in the eyes of it opposition but the question is it truly illegal or is the individual just doing what others have done before...

Individuals like you love to worship at the altar of FDR and hold him up as one of the greatest Presidents ever but when you reflect back on the man you realize he was a sexist, racist and pure evil dictator that caused the House, Senate and States to change the Constitution to make sure no one after Truman could run more than two terms.

I am sure you will look back on FDR record and excuse his illegal acts against Japanese-Americans by saying it was during a time when we did not know better but how convenient, right because had it been a Republican you would slam him like I slam Nixon for his bombing of Cambodia and causing the mass genocide there...

So as you lecture me about how I should not introduce Obama then maybe you should not ask asinine questions that you want to only make about Trump illegal actions.

As you try to say Trump actions are illegal and worthy for Impeachment just remember Bill Clinton bombed Iraq on the eve of his Impeachment vote and Obama used drones on nations we never declared war with and yet you excuse their illegal actions while you whine about Trump withholding aid from the Ukraine!

So again it is no on what a President does is not legal if it is legal but does the punishment that those like you want fit the crime and that is a no!

He should have been censured!

 

[BULLDOG]

We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

Oh, so you want to whine about the illegal stuff that Trump does and use Nixon as an example but don't I dare introduce Obama as an example on why Trump does illegal stuff and believe he can get away with it...

Got it, and you will wait for the official DNC talking points and declare those things being facts and when shown another opinion you will declare it is not the truth...

Fact is every leader of every nation will do something illegal in the eyes of it opposition but the question is it truly illegal or is the individual just doing what others have done before...

Individuals like you love to worship at the altar of FDR and hold him up as one of the greatest Presidents ever but when you reflect back on the man you realize he was a sexist, racist and pure evil dictator that caused the House, Senate and States to change the Constitution to make sure no one after Truman could run more than two terms.

I am sure you will look back on FDR record and excuse his illegal acts against Japanese-Americans by saying it was during a time when we did not know better but how convenient, right because had it been a Republican you would slam him like I slam Nixon for his bombing of Cambodia and causing the mass genocide there...

So as you lecture me about how I should not introduce Obama then maybe you should not ask asinine questions that you want to only make about Trump illegal actions.

As you try to say Trump actions are illegal and worthy for Impeachment just remember Bill Clinton bombed Iraq on the eve of his Impeachment vote and Obama used drones on nations we never declared war with and yet you excuse their illegal actions while you whine about Trump withholding aid from the Ukraine!

So again it is no on what a President does is not legal if it is legal but does the punishment that those like you want fit the crime and that is a no!

He should have been censured!

I am truly impressed. You seem to know more about what I think than I do. For example, I didn't know I love to worship at the altar of FDR. I didn't even know there was an altar of FDR. Why don't you just make a list of all the things you think I like and do so I can compare that list to what I really like and do? If you get stumped on some of the details, you should check with Alex Jones or Hannity. Seems like that is where you got all the other shit that you think about what I support.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

No, but Censured should have been the goal and never Impeachment.

Also let be clear Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler knew that Trump was never going to be Convicted and Removed and all this is about is winning the Senate and retaining the House...

So should a President be able to expand the 2002 War Resolution to mean he could drone people in Yemen?

No, but Obama did and Trump held aid wanting a favor...

Of course you will say what Obama did was perfectly fine while lecturing me what Trump did was far worst...

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

Oh, so you want to whine about the illegal stuff that Trump does and use Nixon as an example but don't I dare introduce Obama as an example on why Trump does illegal stuff and believe he can get away with it...

Got it, and you will wait for the official DNC talking points and declare those things being facts and when shown another opinion you will declare it is not the truth...

Fact is every leader of every nation will do something illegal in the eyes of it opposition but the question is it truly illegal or is the individual just doing what others have done before...

Individuals like you love to worship at the altar of FDR and hold him up as one of the greatest Presidents ever but when you reflect back on the man you realize he was a sexist, racist and pure evil dictator that caused the House, Senate and States to change the Constitution to make sure no one after Truman could run more than two terms.

I am sure you will look back on FDR record and excuse his illegal acts against Japanese-Americans by saying it was during a time when we did not know better but how convenient, right because had it been a Republican you would slam him like I slam Nixon for his bombing of Cambodia and causing the mass genocide there...

So as you lecture me about how I should not introduce Obama then maybe you should not ask asinine questions that you want to only make about Trump illegal actions.

As you try to say Trump actions are illegal and worthy for Impeachment just remember Bill Clinton bombed Iraq on the eve of his Impeachment vote and Obama used drones on nations we never declared war with and yet you excuse their illegal actions while you whine about Trump withholding aid from the Ukraine!

So again it is no on what a President does is not legal if it is legal but does the punishment that those like you want fit the crime and that is a no!

He should have been censured!

I am truly impressed. You seem to know more about what I think than I do. For example, I didn't know I love to worship at the altar of FDR. I didn't even know there was an altar of FDR. Why don't you just make a list of all the things you think I like and do so I can compare that list to what I really like and do? If you get stumped on some of the details, you should check with Alex Jones or Hannity. Seems like that is where you got all the other shit that you think about what I support.

Well Bulldawg the fact is it was you that got upset about me using Obama actions in Pakistan that caused you to whine like a little girl and may I ask why you mentioned Hillary Clinton in your first response to me when I did not mention her?

You believed I was thinking of her, so now you whine when I do the thinking for you but you will claim you never added to my thoughts, right Bully?

Why is it you sat silently when Obama illegally order the killing of Osama in Pakistan?

Were we at war with Pakistan when Obama ordered the invasion of that country to kill Osama?

No and now you will claim this has nothing to do with your question but it does...

See you believe the illegal acts of a Democrat President should not be shown and we should focus on the sole illegal acts of Trump while you invoke Nixon to prove your case, well I am here to remind you that you had no issues with illegal acts of a President when it was Obama and in fact you get a little upset when shown you sat silently...

I guess being a partisan hypocrite is your nature Bully but do not deny you will excuse every illegal act of a Democrat President while condemning the illegal actions of Trump...

Tell me Bully how many Americans have died from Trump illegal withholding of aid to Ukraine versus Obama illegal attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

 

[playtime]

The president will not be "cleared". His party members will find him not guilty no matter what the evidence says, and they will probably save him from removal from office for now, but the country knows he did what he is accused of, and will not excuse his behavior.

You must first present valid evidence before they can find him not guilty no matter what the evidence says.

bolton can do that. why are (R)s afraid? why won't donny allow anybody that could exonerate him to testify?

He requires no exoneration in the face of such prosecutorial failure. More of nothing is still nothing.

knowing how donny operates & has operated the last 40 years... he's all about showmanship. if he knew he had people & docs that would shirley put them thar evil dems 'in their place', practically ensuring another election win, he would put it on TV with lots of build up; & complete with a red carpet 'search light' ratings event. not to mention great campaign ads for him too.

that ain't happening for a reason.

Yes. Schiff writes lousy fiction.

^that doesn't even make sense.

donny would have all the docs & all the exoneration testimony splashed all over including endless tweets. he isn't allowing docs to be released or testimony to be given because he's guilty as fuck.

 

[BULLDOG]

Can you have a conversation about ANYTHING without throwing in a "but Obama", or a " but Hillary", or a "but somebody else" ?

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

Oh, so you want to whine about the illegal stuff that Trump does and use Nixon as an example but don't I dare introduce Obama as an example on why Trump does illegal stuff and believe he can get away with it...

Got it, and you will wait for the official DNC talking points and declare those things being facts and when shown another opinion you will declare it is not the truth...

Fact is every leader of every nation will do something illegal in the eyes of it opposition but the question is it truly illegal or is the individual just doing what others have done before...

Individuals like you love to worship at the altar of FDR and hold him up as one of the greatest Presidents ever but when you reflect back on the man you realize he was a sexist, racist and pure evil dictator that caused the House, Senate and States to change the Constitution to make sure no one after Truman could run more than two terms.

I am sure you will look back on FDR record and excuse his illegal acts against Japanese-Americans by saying it was during a time when we did not know better but how convenient, right because had it been a Republican you would slam him like I slam Nixon for his bombing of Cambodia and causing the mass genocide there...

So as you lecture me about how I should not introduce Obama then maybe you should not ask asinine questions that you want to only make about Trump illegal actions.

As you try to say Trump actions are illegal and worthy for Impeachment just remember Bill Clinton bombed Iraq on the eve of his Impeachment vote and Obama used drones on nations we never declared war with and yet you excuse their illegal actions while you whine about Trump withholding aid from the Ukraine!

So again it is no on what a President does is not legal if it is legal but does the punishment that those like you want fit the crime and that is a no!

He should have been censured!

I am truly impressed. You seem to know more about what I think than I do. For example, I didn't know I love to worship at the altar of FDR. I didn't even know there was an altar of FDR. Why don't you just make a list of all the things you think I like and do so I can compare that list to what I really like and do? If you get stumped on some of the details, you should check with Alex Jones or Hannity. Seems like that is where you got all the other shit that you think about what I support.

Well Bulldawg the fact is it was you that got upset about me using Obama actions in Pakistan that caused you to whine like a little girl and may I ask why you mentioned Hillary Clinton in your first response to me when I did not mention her?

You believed I was thinking of her, so now you whine when I do the thinking for you but you will claim you never added to my thoughts, right Bully?

Why is it you sat silently when Obama illegally order the killing of Osama in Pakistan?

Were we at war with Pakistan when Obama ordered the invasion of that country to kill Osama?

No and now you will claim this has nothing to do with your question but it does...

See you believe the illegal acts of a Democrat President should not be shown and we should focus on the sole illegal acts of Trump while you invoke Nixon to prove your case, well I am here to remind you that you had no issues with illegal acts of a President when it was Obama and in fact you get a little upset when shown you sat silently...

I guess being a partisan hypocrite is your nature Bully but do not deny you will excuse every illegal act of a Democrat President while condemning the illegal actions of Trump...

Tell me Bully how many Americans have died from Trump illegal withholding of aid to Ukraine versus Obama illegal attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you have evidence Obama did something wrong in Pakistan, then I urge you to present it. I've heard a few conspiracy theories with that idea, but nothing a sane person would believe. I am sure I haven't defended any of Obama's actions in Pakistan from this thread. Why don't you take a minute and decide what you want to talk about, instead of just spouting a list of your most memorable talking points. A single subject is a much better conversation to have.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Wait, you are asking about a President and using Nixon but I can not use Obama?

You do not get to invoke another President and then demand that no one else use a Democrat that abused their power and you sat silently when they did!

So now what are you going to do?

Whine?

Did you complain when Obama illegally entered Pakistan airspace to order the Seal Team to execute Osama?

Do you believe what Obama did was legal and if so then when Trump ordered the killing of the Iranian General it was legal, right?

I haven't said anything about the legality of killing Osama or the Iranian general, because I just don't know enough to make that determination. I know they both deserved it, but people with more credibility than Trump have questioned whether this was the best time to take out the general, and whether it did us more harm than good. Trump has a vast store of knowledge available to him. It's a shame he is too stupid to take advantage of that instead of listening to Fox and Friends to decide what he will do next.

Oh, so you want to whine about the illegal stuff that Trump does and use Nixon as an example but don't I dare introduce Obama as an example on why Trump does illegal stuff and believe he can get away with it...

Got it, and you will wait for the official DNC talking points and declare those things being facts and when shown another opinion you will declare it is not the truth...

Fact is every leader of every nation will do something illegal in the eyes of it opposition but the question is it truly illegal or is the individual just doing what others have done before...

Individuals like you love to worship at the altar of FDR and hold him up as one of the greatest Presidents ever but when you reflect back on the man you realize he was a sexist, racist and pure evil dictator that caused the House, Senate and States to change the Constitution to make sure no one after Truman could run more than two terms.

I am sure you will look back on FDR record and excuse his illegal acts against Japanese-Americans by saying it was during a time when we did not know better but how convenient, right because had it been a Republican you would slam him like I slam Nixon for his bombing of Cambodia and causing the mass genocide there...

So as you lecture me about how I should not introduce Obama then maybe you should not ask asinine questions that you want to only make about Trump illegal actions.

As you try to say Trump actions are illegal and worthy for Impeachment just remember Bill Clinton bombed Iraq on the eve of his Impeachment vote and Obama used drones on nations we never declared war with and yet you excuse their illegal actions while you whine about Trump withholding aid from the Ukraine!

So again it is no on what a President does is not legal if it is legal but does the punishment that those like you want fit the crime and that is a no!

He should have been censured!

I am truly impressed. You seem to know more about what I think than I do. For example, I didn't know I love to worship at the altar of FDR. I didn't even know there was an altar of FDR. Why don't you just make a list of all the things you think I like and do so I can compare that list to what I really like and do? If you get stumped on some of the details, you should check with Alex Jones or Hannity. Seems like that is where you got all the other shit that you think about what I support.

Well Bulldawg the fact is it was you that got upset about me using Obama actions in Pakistan that caused you to whine like a little girl and may I ask why you mentioned Hillary Clinton in your first response to me when I did not mention her?

You believed I was thinking of her, so now you whine when I do the thinking for you but you will claim you never added to my thoughts, right Bully?

Why is it you sat silently when Obama illegally order the killing of Osama in Pakistan?

Were we at war with Pakistan when Obama ordered the invasion of that country to kill Osama?

No and now you will claim this has nothing to do with your question but it does...

See you believe the illegal acts of a Democrat President should not be shown and we should focus on the sole illegal acts of Trump while you invoke Nixon to prove your case, well I am here to remind you that you had no issues with illegal acts of a President when it was Obama and in fact you get a little upset when shown you sat silently...

I guess being a partisan hypocrite is your nature Bully but do not deny you will excuse every illegal act of a Democrat President while condemning the illegal actions of Trump...

Tell me Bully how many Americans have died from Trump illegal withholding of aid to Ukraine versus Obama illegal attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you have evidence Obama did something wrong in Pakistan, then I urge you to present it. I've heard a few conspiracy theories with that idea, but nothing a sane person would believe. I am sure I haven't defended any of Obama's actions in Pakistan from this thread. Why don't you take a minute and decide what you want to talk about, instead of just spouting a list of your most memorable talking points. A single subject is a much better conversation to have.

Fuck off with that bullshit!

Were we at war with Pakistan when Obama order the attack on Osama compound in Pakistan?

If not was the invasion of the compound then legal?

If not under our laws then what gave Obama the authority to use military action in a country we were not at war with?

Also if discovered the action was indeed illegal does the action become legal because Obams was President?

My bet is you will scream it matter not because this is about Trump illegal actions that you hate while you invoke Nixon words!

So again, does the illegal actions of a President matter to you only when the President is Republican?

Notice I never stated what Trump did is right or legal but pointed out you sat quietly when Obama did illegal actions with drone strikes and ordering Seal teams to enter countries we were not at war with!

 

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We are defining the president's powers right now. Future presidents of both parties will be able to do what ever Trump is allowed to do right now, and will be restrained no more than he is tight now. Do you think a president should be free to do anything he wants? Why?

/——-/ President Trump isn’t doing things that are illegal. Your strawman argument is ridiculous.