No dims Going To AIPAC

[g5000]

"No dims going to AIPAC"

FAKE NEWS!

The silence of the hypocrites is deafening.

 

[toomuchtime_]

First, AIPAC is not a political action committee, and second, no one prostrates himself before it. Why do you choose to distort the facts? Ever wonder about that?

What does the acronym AIPAC denote? Genius.

American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC makes no political donations and no political endorsements. It simply provides venues for politicians to show their support for Israel. Why do politicians want to do that? Because the overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel nd have for decades.

They promote a pro Israel agenda. If they make no political endorsements then who gives a shit if presidential hopefuls go or not. It doesn't matter.

Israel should stay out of our politics.

https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions, races and political parties to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.

AIPAC is also working to foster the next generation of American pro-Israel leaders, by working on hundreds of college and high school campuses, empowering and educating student activists to answer Israel's detractors and use political involvement to build support for Israel.

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

 

[boedicca]

Anti-Semites gonna Anti-Semite.

Just sayin'.

Like supporting people who march with guns and torches shrieking “jews will not replace us”

Hypocrite hacks

Bitter Pillian gonna Bitter Shillian.

 

[Dragonlady]

"No dims going to AIPAC".

It turns out SEVERAL are going, including a 2020 candidate, but not before the tards said their total non-attendance proves Democrats anti-Semites.

Then it turns out Trump turned down the NAACP while he was a candidate and as President!

So that makes him a racist, by the tards' own standard.

Man, this topic has been a blast!

Why don’t you just admit that you’re a democrat?

Ah. You think the Truth is strictly a Democratic thing.

That's fascinating and revealing at the same time.

You never seem to call the democrats out for their lies. You even take it a step further, you parrot their lies, piss drinker

Democrats are NOT LYING AT EVERY TURN ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING!!!

You come here and start ridiculous lying threads like this and wonder why we call you out on your lies.

My 8 year old grandson can use google and find out what's real and what itn't, but right wingers aren't smart enough to check one single fact before posting.

 

[Rocko]

Where was gs5000 during all of those. Russian collusion threads??

I have posted many times on this forum that I don't believe Trump personally colluded with the Russians, retard.

Just keep digging that hole, man.

Did u call liberals piss drinkers?

I have. Especially when it came to Obamacare.

Keep digging!

Meanwhile, you STILL fail to bitch slap the liar who started this topic.

Fascinating AND revealing.

ZERO integrity.

Your anti Republicans posts to anti democrats post are are 10 to 1. Who do you think you’re fooling??

 

[Tehon]

What does the acronym AIPAC denote? Genius.

American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC makes no political donations and no political endorsements. It simply provides venues for politicians to show their support for Israel. Why do politicians want to do that? Because the overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel nd have for decades.

They promote a pro Israel agenda. If they make no political endorsements then who gives a shit if presidential hopefuls go or not. It doesn't matter.

Israel should stay out of our politics.

https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions, races and political parties to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.

AIPAC is also working to foster the next generation of American pro-Israel leaders, by working on hundreds of college and high school campuses, empowering and educating student activists to answer Israel's detractors and use political involvement to build support for Israel.

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

 

[Rocko]

"No dims going to AIPAC".

It turns out SEVERAL are going, including a 2020 candidate, but not before the tards said their total non-attendance proves Democrats anti-Semites.

Then it turns out Trump turned down the NAACP while he was a candidate and as President!

So that makes him a racist, by the tards' own standard.

Man, this topic has been a blast!

Why don’t you just admit that you’re a democrat?

Ah. You think the Truth is strictly a Democratic thing.

That's fascinating and revealing at the same time.

You never seem to call the democrats out for their lies. You even take it a step further, you parrot their lies, piss drinker

Democrats are NOT LYING AT EVERY TURN ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING!!!

You come here and start ridiculous lying threads like this and wonder why we call you out on your lies.

My 8 year old grandson can use google and find out what's real and what itn't, but right wingers aren't smart enough to check one single fact before posting.

If you think democrats aren’t lying you should buy a bridge from someone

 

[McRocket]

Guess again, Sparky.

Gallup poll: Half of Americans back independent Palestine

Gallup poll: Half of Americans back independent Palestine

And that is ALL that matters.

And yet,

"The majority of Americans remain partial toward Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 59% saying they sympathize more with the Israelis whereas 21% sympathize more with the Palestinians. While still widespread, sympathy toward Israel is down from 64% in 2018 and marks the lowest percentage favoring Israel since 2009. Meanwhile, the 21% sympathizing more with the Palestinians, statistically unchanged from a year ago, is the highest by one point in Gallup's trend since 2001."

Americans, but Not Liberal Democrats, Mostly Pro-Israel

Clearly Obama's anti Israel attitude has had some effect, but mainstream America still strongly supports Israel.

I could care less about 'Americans partiality to Israel'.

All I care about - in this matter - is the Palestinians getting their own country.

And Americans are now mostly in favor of that...and the sentiment is growing.

Excellent.

You can't really separate the two. A Palestinian state would be a threat to the security of Israel and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future. If the time ever comes when the Palestinians can end their civil war and choose a government that can credibly offer peace to Israel, it may be time to talk about a Palestinians state, but that is unlikely to happen.

The Palestinians have NO military and are flat broke. The Israeli's have by FAR the most powerful military in the Middle East PLUS they have nukes. Only a xenophobe and/or a staggeringly ignorant person would seriously suggest that Palestine would be a threat to Israel.

An independent Palestine is ZERO threat to Israel. They know if they tried to attack it - Israel would wipe them out.

What's next Canada is a threat to Israel? How about the Bahamas? Maybe Iceland?


Tough shit pal...most Americans are for an independent Palestinian state...and that number is only going to grow.

The Palestinians, both Hamas and the PA, have tens of thousands of men under arms and while they are not an existential threat to Israel, they have since the 1920's been launching terrorist attacks against Israelis. A Palestinian state would provide safe staging areas from which the terrorist gangs could launch attacks as happened when Israel didn't enter area A in 2000 after the Oslo talks broke down.

At present, there is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel, so there is no one with whom to negotiate. Given the fragmented leadership and the ongoing civil war between Hamas and the PA, it is unlikely this condition will change in the foreseeable future.

Total and complete nonsense. You have not a clue what you are talking about on this....NOT A CLUE.

What happened almost 100 years ago is totally irrelevant. What's next? Keep blaming the Germans for the Holocaust - even the ones who were not even alive when the Nazi's carried it out? Maybe force them to pay more reparations for WW1 too?

Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders

Both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank governments OFFICIALLY recognize Israel's right to exist within their 1967 borders. They have no reason to attack Israel.
If Palestine becomes a country - to attack Israel would be an act of war. And the Palestinian's would be completely destroyed by Israel's massive and well trained military. Use your head - if you have a properly working one - why would Palestine do it? No reason at all.

You just are prejudiced and Zionist and you HATE the Palestinians. You are a complete waste of time on this. You are so out of it that you think that not attending an AIPAC conference means one is anti-Semitic...how ridiculous.

Here are the facts pally boy...most of America is for a Palestinian independent state...and that number is growing.

Your Zionistic, xenophobic, prejudiced days of keeping the Palestinian's as virtual slaves is nearing it's end.

And there is NOTHING you can do about it.


I am done with you because I only waste so much time on ignorant and racist/prejudiced people....they/you are a COMPLETE waste of time.
Don't bother responding as I will not read it.


Have a nice day.

 

[Dragonlady]

Where was gs5000 during all of those. Russian collusion threads??

I have posted many times on this forum that I don't believe Trump personally colluded with the Russians, retard.

Just keep digging that hole, man.

Did u call liberals piss drinkers?

I have. Especially when it came to Obamacare.

Keep digging!

Meanwhile, you STILL fail to bitch slap the liar who started this topic.

Fascinating AND revealing.

ZERO integrity.

Your anti Republicans posts to anti democrats post are are 10 to 1. Who do you think you’re fooling??

Well clearly Republicans aren't fooling him one little bit, but they're sure pulling the wool over your eyes.

 

[toomuchtime_]

American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC makes no political donations and no political endorsements. It simply provides venues for politicians to show their support for Israel. Why do politicians want to do that? Because the overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel nd have for decades.

They promote a pro Israel agenda. If they make no political endorsements then who gives a shit if presidential hopefuls go or not. It doesn't matter.

Israel should stay out of our politics.

https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions, races and political parties to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.

AIPAC is also working to foster the next generation of American pro-Israel leaders, by working on hundreds of college and high school campuses, empowering and educating student activists to answer Israel's detractors and use political involvement to build support for Israel.

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

 

[Dragonlady]

"No dims going to AIPAC".

It turns out SEVERAL are going, including a 2020 candidate, but not before the tards said their total non-attendance proves Democrats anti-Semites.

Then it turns out Trump turned down the NAACP while he was a candidate and as President!

So that makes him a racist, by the tards' own standard.

Man, this topic has been a blast!

Why don’t you just admit that you’re a democrat?

Ah. You think the Truth is strictly a Democratic thing.

That's fascinating and revealing at the same time.

You never seem to call the democrats out for their lies. You even take it a step further, you parrot their lies, piss drinker

Democrats are NOT LYING AT EVERY TURN ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING!!!

You come here and start ridiculous lying threads like this and wonder why we call you out on your lies.

My 8 year old grandson can use google and find out what's real and what itn't, but right wingers aren't smart enough to check one single fact before posting.

If you think democrats aren’t lying you should buy a bridge from someone

That’s the problem with being a liar. Because you lie, you think everyone else is. The left wingers here don’t make up shit and we fact check before we post.

Oh and we read the articles we link to before we post them. Often times the righties here will link to an article that says the opposite of what the headline says.

I love it when that happens. Just post the quote and the thread is done.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now that's a shocker. (if this already has a thread, my apologies, please merge it with whatever one is in the rubber room)

But, hey. dims really aren't Anti-Semitic. It's just a coincidence that not one single dim presidential hopeful is going to the most important American Jewish political event of the year.

Will American Jews ever wise up and see what's-what? I doubt it. They've been getting crapped on by dims since FDR lowered their immigration quota in the 30's. No reason to expect them to wise up now.

Top 2020 Democrats snub AIPAC conference with little or no explanation, marking far-left shift on Israel

They're supporting their newly elected antisemitic CongressCritter

 

[toomuchtime_]

And yet,

"The majority of Americans remain partial toward Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with 59% saying they sympathize more with the Israelis whereas 21% sympathize more with the Palestinians. While still widespread, sympathy toward Israel is down from 64% in 2018 and marks the lowest percentage favoring Israel since 2009. Meanwhile, the 21% sympathizing more with the Palestinians, statistically unchanged from a year ago, is the highest by one point in Gallup's trend since 2001."

Americans, but Not Liberal Democrats, Mostly Pro-Israel

Clearly Obama's anti Israel attitude has had some effect, but mainstream America still strongly supports Israel.

I could care less about 'Americans partiality to Israel'.

All I care about - in this matter - is the Palestinians getting their own country.

And Americans are now mostly in favor of that...and the sentiment is growing.

Excellent.

You can't really separate the two. A Palestinian state would be a threat to the security of Israel and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future. If the time ever comes when the Palestinians can end their civil war and choose a government that can credibly offer peace to Israel, it may be time to talk about a Palestinians state, but that is unlikely to happen.

The Palestinians have NO military and are flat broke. The Israeli's have by FAR the most powerful military in the Middle East PLUS they have nukes. Only a xenophobe and/or a staggeringly ignorant person would seriously suggest that Palestine would be a threat to Israel.

An independent Palestine is ZERO threat to Israel. They know if they tried to attack it - Israel would wipe them out.

What's next Canada is a threat to Israel? How about the Bahamas? Maybe Iceland?


Tough shit pal...most Americans are for an independent Palestinian state...and that number is only going to grow.

The Palestinians, both Hamas and the PA, have tens of thousands of men under arms and while they are not an existential threat to Israel, they have since the 1920's been launching terrorist attacks against Israelis. A Palestinian state would provide safe staging areas from which the terrorist gangs could launch attacks as happened when Israel didn't enter area A in 2000 after the Oslo talks broke down.

At present, there is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel, so there is no one with whom to negotiate. Given the fragmented leadership and the ongoing civil war between Hamas and the PA, it is unlikely this condition will change in the foreseeable future.

Total and complete nonsense. You have not a clue what you are talking about on this....NOT A CLUE.

What happened almost 100 years ago is totally irrelevant. What's next? Keep blaming the Germans for the Holocaust - even the ones who were not even alive when the Nazi's carried it out? Maybe force them to pay more reparations for WW1 too?

Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders

Both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank governments OFFICIALLY recognize Israel's right to exist within their 1967 borders. They have no reason to attack Israel.
If Palestine becomes a country - to attack Israel would be an act of war. And the Palestinian's would be completely destroyed by Israel's massive and well trained military. Use your head - if you have a properly working one - why would Palestine do it? No reason at all.

You just are prejudiced and Zionist and you HATE the Palestinians. You are a complete waste of time on this. You are so out of it that you think that not attending an AIPAC conference means one is anti-Semitic...how ridiculous.

Here are the facts pally boy...most of America is for a Palestinian independent state...and that number is growing.

Your Zionistic, xenophobic, prejudiced days of keeping the Palestinian's as virtual slaves is nearing it's end.

And there is NOTHING you can do about it.


I am done with you because I only waste so much time on ignorant and racist/prejudiced people....they/you are a COMPLETE waste of time.
Don't bother responding as I will not read it.


Have a nice day.

Again, there is no political entity among the Palestinians that can credibly offer peace to Israel, so there is no one with whom to negotiate. As your article states,

"The policy platform was announced by the head of the movement’s political bureau, Khaled Meshal, at a press conference in Doha. “Hamas advocates the liberation of all of Palestine but is ready to support the state on 1967 borders without recognising Israel or ceding any rights,” he said.

All of Palestine means all of Israel so while Hamas is willing to accept an interim state in the territories, it has not given up its ambition to capture all of Palestine, meaning all of Israel.

Whether you read this or not is of no importance, but there may be other more honest and reasonable people reading this thread who should not be left with just your hysterical rants on the subject.

 

[Tehon]

They promote a pro Israel agenda. If they make no political endorsements then who gives a shit if presidential hopefuls go or not. It doesn't matter.

Israel should stay out of our politics.

https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions, races and political parties to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.

AIPAC is also working to foster the next generation of American pro-Israel leaders, by working on hundreds of college and high school campuses, empowering and educating student activists to answer Israel's detractors and use political involvement to build support for Israel.

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Which organization lobbied the US government on behalf of a foreign nation prior to US entry into WWII?

 

[Dragonlady]

They promote a pro Israel agenda. If they make no political endorsements then who gives a shit if presidential hopefuls go or not. It doesn't matter.

Israel should stay out of our politics.

https://www.aipac.org/about/how-we-work
AIPAC empowers pro-Israel activists across all ages, religions, races and political parties to be politically engaged and build relationships with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle to promote the U.S.-Israel relationship.

AIPAC is also working to foster the next generation of American pro-Israel leaders, by working on hundreds of college and high school campuses, empowering and educating student activists to answer Israel's detractors and use political involvement to build support for Israel.

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Because Jewish interests in the Middle East are not the same as American interests there. Because Netenyahu is likely going to jail and who knows what happens next. And because Israel's human rights record vis a vis the Palestinians is pretty dismal.

One would think that a nation born of the ashes of Hitler’s attempt to exterminate their people would be more inclined hold themselves to a higher standard of treatment of a minority, but instead, they have brutalized the Palestinians.

An eye for an eye makes everybody blind. A pox on both their houses for this ongoing and never ending cycle of attacks and abuse.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Which organization lobbied the US government on behalf of a foreign nation prior to US entry into WWII?

I don't offhand know the names of the organizations that lobbied the Congress to enter the war, but there was a fierce debate between groups historians have labeled isolationists and groups labeled interventionists over whether to enter WWII. The interventionists included FDR; was he disloyal because he lobbied Congress to enter the European war?

 

[Tehon]

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Which organization lobbied the US government on behalf of a foreign nation prior to US entry into WWII?

I don't offhand know the names of the organizations that lobbied the Congress to enter the war, but there was a fierce debate between groups historians have labeled isolationists and groups labeled interventionists over whether to enter WWII. The interventionists included FDR; was he disloyal because he lobbied Congress to enter the European war?

There is no reason to suspect he was being disloyal. Or did he state openly his intention to represent the interests of a foreign nation before Congress?

 

[toomuchtime_]

What is wrong with Americans engaging in the political process to build support for Israel?

It is a matter of loyalty.

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Because Jewish interests in the Middle East are not the same as American interests there. Because Netenyahu is likely going to jail and who knows what happens next. And because Israel's human rights record vis a vis the Palestinians is pretty dismal.

One would think that a nation born of the ashes of Hitler’s attempt to exterminate their people would be more inclined hold themselves to a higher standard of treatment of a minority, but instead, they have brutalized the Palestinians.

An eye for an eye makes everybody blind. A pox on both their houses for this ongoing and never ending cycle of attacks and abuse.

First, Jews make up only a tiny percentage of Americans who support Israel. Second, US interests and Israeli interests in the ME are most often the same, as in the the wars in the 1960's and 1970's when Israel vanquished the Soviets from the ME, saving the US from having to protect its Arab allies from Soviet aggression. Third, Israel is stable liberal democracy and while it is unlikely Netanyahu will go to prison, even if he did there would be a new elections and a smooth transmission of power. Fourth, given the circumstances in the region, Israel's human rights record is certainly better than any other country in the region and at least as good as any European country or even the US could do. There is no difference between the way minorities are treated in Israel and the way they are treated in the US or other western democracies.

So, again, why single out AIPAC?

 

[JWBooth]

No dims Going To AIPAC

Sadly, its only for show. They are as completely bought and paid for by the Israel lobby as the GOPers.

 

[toomuchtime_]

How so? Were those Americans who urged the US government to get into WWII disloyal?

An organization designed to shape US policy for the betterment of a foreign nation. That's how so.

It is an organization of Americans trying to influence US policy in favor of an ally, just as those Americans who wanted the US to get into WWII were trying to influence US policy for the benefit of other US allies. Why do you single out AIPAC?

Which organization lobbied the US government on behalf of a foreign nation prior to US entry into WWII?

I don't offhand know the names of the organizations that lobbied the Congress to enter the war, but there was a fierce debate between groups historians have labeled isolationists and groups labeled interventionists over whether to enter WWII. The interventionists included FDR; was he disloyal because he lobbied Congress to enter the European war?

There is no reason to suspect he was being disloyal. Or did he state openly his intention to represent the interests of a foreign nation before Congress?

FDR said the US should prevent the western democracies from being swallowed up by the Nazis, so he pretty much did argue that US soldiers should be put at risk to save other countries.

After WWI, the US became deeply isolationist, believing that Europeans would continue to go to war with each other no matter what the US did and that the US should not become involved in European wars again. FDR and the other interventionists believed the US should play a major role in shaping European political culture so that these wars would not continue and this vision of the US shaping a better world has guided US policy ever since whether a Republican or a Democrat was in the WH.

As for AIPAC, it has no influence at all on US policy. For decades polls have shown the overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel, and AIPAC provides venues in which US politicians can show their constituents who support Israel that the do also. Because AIPAC is seen by politicians as representing the views of Americans who support Israel, they are interested in what AIPAC says, but if American voters were to change their minds about supporting Israel, AIPAC would have no influence at all. The belief that AIPAC somehow shapes US policy is just another iteration of the anti semitic belief that the Jews somehow rule the world.