No Evidence

[Toddsterpatriot]

still don't have any observed measured data to support your goofy theory of back radiation.

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What was this again?

garbage?

Don't you worry, it's science.

garbage science at that. BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

Of course, detecting radiation is garbage science. Of course.

BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

In science, all matter above 0K emits.
Up, down, sideways. It's a random thing.
Even ice cubes radiate.

But don't worry your pretty little head.

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

Careful......math AND science is involved.

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

 

[jc456]

garbage?

Don't you worry, it's science.

garbage science at that. BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

Of course, detecting radiation is garbage science. Of course.

BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

In science, all matter above 0K emits.
Up, down, sideways. It's a random thing.
Even ice cubes radiate.

But don't worry your pretty little head.

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

Radiative cooling - Wikipedia
"Radiative cooling is the process by which a body loses heat by thermal radiation."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you worry, it's science.

garbage science at that. BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

Of course, detecting radiation is garbage science. Of course.

BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

In science, all matter above 0K emits.
Up, down, sideways. It's a random thing.
Even ice cubes radiate.

But don't worry your pretty little head.

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

 

[jc456]

garbage science at that. BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

Of course, detecting radiation is garbage science. Of course.

BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

In science, all matter above 0K emits.
Up, down, sideways. It's a random thing.
Even ice cubes radiate.

But don't worry your pretty little head.

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course, detecting radiation is garbage science. Of course.

BTW, in your science, does LWIR emit from the surface upward?

In science, all matter above 0K emits.
Up, down, sideways. It's a random thing.
Even ice cubes radiate.

But don't worry your pretty little head.

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

And another one.

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

 

[jc456]

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

surface radiates but one direction, up!!!

Surface can't radiate down, thru solid matter.

The atmosphere can radiate in any direction.

Any time you want to show ice radiating, post it up..

View attachment 235786

Careful......math AND science is involved.

View attachment 235788

Emissivity Coefficients for some common Materials

Don't strain your little head.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

 

[jc456]

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science. It's what the entire OP is about. Remains, through this post. Unobserved, unmeasured.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube. still waiting.

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

no problem, thing is, you can't post any observed measurements of your science.

As long as you ignore all the posted observations.

Again, post up that measured IR from the ice cube.

You don't believe Stefan-Boltzmann? Isn't that precious!

Are you claiming ice can't radiate because it "feels cold"?

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

The sensor detected it.

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?

The sun

You think we receive a lot of IR from the Sun?

post the observation of it.

Besides the 3 I already posted?

no, that you think you can measure direction.

Of course you can. If I point a camera towards the sky, it doesn't record objects on the ground.

LWIR is coming from the surface

This LWIR is coming from the sky.

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

 

[IanC]

There is no special temperature, except for zero degrees Kelvin.

All others can be either warm or cold depending on their surroundings.

There is only a positive direction up from absolute zero. No 'negative' energy, no 'cooling' rays only warming ones. Of course you need to have more information to determine if an object will actually warm or cool. You have to know how much radiation is leaving and how much radiation is coming in. If the net amount is leaving then the object is cooling. It is warming if the net radiation is into the object.

BUT, for any one temperature and emissivity the object will always emit the same amount of radiation. The surroundings don't affect the radiation emitted, only the net gain or loss of energy .

 

[jc456]

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

The sensor detected it.

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?

The sun

You think we receive a lot of IR from the Sun?

post the observation of it.

Besides the 3 I already posted?

no, that you think you can measure direction.

Of course you can. If I point a camera towards the sky, it doesn't record objects on the ground.

LWIR is coming from the surface

View attachment 235814

This LWIR is coming from the sky.

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

The sensor detected it.

It did? how? why is it hotter than anything leaving the surface when the sky is cold? ahhh the tricks they do play eh?

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?
my science is based on observation. again, do I lose heat from hand, or does the ice heat my hand?

Besides the 3 I already posted?

Garbage science, it's all you got. I get it. why can't you find an experiment showing how much radiation comes from ICE? you keep avoiding that. you post some nonsense from a test instrument that you have no idea what it's reading.

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

I thought it got absorbed

 

[SSDD]

It's obvious you never attended a physics class. You would know that writing down a general equation is useless unless you specify what the variables mean for a specific configuration. Each temperature refers to matter in some configuration. The hyperphysics site has the same notation you use and refers to T being the temperature of an object surrounded by a cooler background Tc. If that is what you mean let me know then we can continue. Otherwise you are the one who is stalling.

Still can't bring yourself to simply state what the equation says... How pathetic is that?

The variables are all listed right there in the equation....the mathematical statement of a physical law...

And what I mean is state precisely what the equation says..either you can do it, or you can't. Which is it?

Ah, metaphysics again.

Nope...pure science...maybe the word science is yet another one that you don't know the definition of... here, let me help..... systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

You observe and learn...then you observe some more, and learn some more...then you devise experiments to test what you think you know...then you learn some more..and on it goes...models don't mean squat till such time as they replicate observable, measurable, testable reality...

​

Nonsense. Caveats must be placed on many laws such as the ideal gas law, Newton's laws of gravity, the laws of motion.

And dodge..and dodge...and dodge...and drag your intellect through the sewer in an attempt to defend your unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable beliefs.

 

[SSDD]

you and your peers in here. you must be having a SR. moment.

Pointing out your ignorance is just a typical moment.

so again, nadda from you! as expected.

Right. Except for all the evidence already posted.
Who told you coffee in a colder environment would warm again?

still nothing eh?

Where's the figures for your equation btw?

View attachment 235558

That equation describes a perfect black body sitting all alone in a perfectly empty vacuum...it doesn't describe the real world at all....

 

[SSDD]

What a fucking idiot

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0217751X92003082

So what do you think of the color of the emperor's cape?

You look at a title of a paper and assume that the answers to the meaning of life are there? Laughable skid mark...absolutely laughable.

That paper reviews numerous methods of experimental proof of QM. Read it and weep fool.

You have proven over and over that you can't comprehend anything you read...and even the simplest pseudoscience is sufficient to fool you as evidenced by the absolutely laughable pile of shit you presented as evidence of man made global warming...still laughing in your face skidmark...still laughing in your face.

 

[jc456]

what you're promoting is that GHGs make the atmosphere warm, and it's cold. And LWIR is radiating upward toward space. you think it magically comes back. and can't post any observance of any such thing. additionally, all of the documents you have posted to date say that ghg's provide twice the radiation of the incoming sun light. wow. from a cold atmosphere at that. so the temperature of any emittance would be that temperature. Ice warming the surface. too funny.

 

[SSDD]

none posted. you post things someone told you was something it isn't. Can't measure cold emitting. otherwise you'd actually post something. If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface. especially since you are the one measuring is on the surface. BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument? LOL.

none posted.

Here's a new one....

View attachment 235793

And another one.

View attachment 235795

you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

The sensor detected it.

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?

The sun

You think we receive a lot of IR from the Sun?

post the observation of it.

Besides the 3 I already posted?

no, that you think you can measure direction.

Of course you can. If I point a camera towards the sky, it doesn't record objects on the ground.

LWIR is coming from the surface

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This LWIR is coming from the sky.

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

That graph is not the result of measurements made with an instrument at ambient temperature...therefore it isn't a measurement of energy from a cooler atmosphere moving to a warmer object...it is a measurement of energy moving from a warmer atmosphere to a cooler object....precisely as the second law predicts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

none posted.

Here's a new one....

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And another one.

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you post things someone told you was something it isn't.

Well what is it then?

Can't measure cold emitting.

Because it "feels cold"?
Maybe you should define cold?

If the ground emits LWIR, measuring LWIR is from the surface and only the surface.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?

BTW, you got a directional finder on your magic test instrument?

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

The sensor detected it.

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?

The sun

You think we receive a lot of IR from the Sun?

post the observation of it.

Besides the 3 I already posted?

no, that you think you can measure direction.

Of course you can. If I point a camera towards the sky, it doesn't record objects on the ground.

LWIR is coming from the surface

View attachment 235814

This LWIR is coming from the sky.

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

The sensor detected it.

It did? how? why is it hotter than anything leaving the surface when the sky is cold? ahhh the tricks they do play eh?

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?
my science is based on observation. again, do I lose heat from hand, or does the ice heat my hand?

Besides the 3 I already posted?

Garbage science, it's all you got. I get it. why can't you find an experiment showing how much radiation comes from ICE? you keep avoiding that. you post some nonsense from a test instrument that you have no idea what it's reading.

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

I thought it got absorbed

It did? how?

It's science, don't worry about it.

why is it hotter than anything leaving the surface when the sky is cold?

What is hotter?

my science is based on observation

Your observation is based on the feeling of your hand.

again, do I lose heat from hand, or does the ice heat my hand?

If the ice is above 0K, they both radiate.

Garbage science, it's all you got.

Right, sensors are garbage.

why can't you find an experiment showing how much radiation comes from ICE?

Why can't you plug in the numbers? Math still make you sad?

I thought it got absorbed

If radiation from the ground gets absorbed, some will re-reradiate down and hit the sensor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Pointing out your ignorance is just a typical moment.

so again, nadda from you! as expected.

Right. Except for all the evidence already posted.
Who told you coffee in a colder environment would warm again?

still nothing eh?

Where's the figures for your equation btw?

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That equation describes a perfect black body sitting all alone in a perfectly empty vacuum...it doesn't describe the real world at all....

Really?
Imperfect black bodies radiating in atmosphere don't radiate?

 

[jc456]

Well what is it then?

garbage science. I already answered you. there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda. You've been lied to.

Maybe you should define cold?
Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating? you can't, you know you can't. more crapola.

The ground is the one and only thing that can emit LWIR?
Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

An upward facing detector will only measure LWIR coming down from the sky.

wow. now that's hilarious dude. what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

there is nothing in those pictures that is atmospheric radiation. none, zip, nadda.

Why not?

Maybe you just post the experiment that shows the ice radiating?

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

Well our surface, whatever the compounds are, dirt, blacktop, cars, buildings, etc....it's received SWIR from the sun.

Shortwave IR? What's that?
Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR? Why not?

wow. now that's hilarious dude.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

what happens to the stuff going up, it disappears?

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

I shouldn't make fun, it sounds like your brain injury is pretty serious.

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

You don't believe Stefan Boltzmann? Why not?

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Shortwave IR? What's that?

The sun

Matter that receives LWIR, from the ground for instance, can't also emit LWIR?

post the observation of it.

A lens opening facing up is hilarious?

no, that you think you can measure direction. LWIR is coming from the surface, you're measuring from the surface where it is being emitted. hmmmmmm


Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Simple, it isn't there.

The sensor detected it.

it isn't radiating. put your hand over ice and your hand will feel cold.

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?

The sun

You think we receive a lot of IR from the Sun?

post the observation of it.

Besides the 3 I already posted?

no, that you think you can measure direction.

Of course you can. If I point a camera towards the sky, it doesn't record objects on the ground.

LWIR is coming from the surface

View attachment 235814

This LWIR is coming from the sky.

Dude, radiation going up wouldn't hit a lens facing up, now would it?

Why not?

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

The sensor detected it.

It did? how? why is it hotter than anything leaving the surface when the sky is cold? ahhh the tricks they do play eh?

Your science is based on feelings? Are you a warmer?
my science is based on observation. again, do I lose heat from hand, or does the ice heat my hand?

Besides the 3 I already posted?

Garbage science, it's all you got. I get it. why can't you find an experiment showing how much radiation comes from ICE? you keep avoiding that. you post some nonsense from a test instrument that you have no idea what it's reading.

Because radiation travels in a straight line.

I thought it got absorbed

It did? how?

It's science, don't worry about it.

why is it hotter than anything leaving the surface when the sky is cold?

What is hotter?

my science is based on observation

Your observation is based on the feeling of your hand.

again, do I lose heat from hand, or does the ice heat my hand?

If the ice is above 0K, they both radiate.

Garbage science, it's all you got.

Right, sensors are garbage.

why can't you find an experiment showing how much radiation comes from ICE?

Why can't you plug in the numbers? Math still make you sad?

I thought it got absorbed

If radiation from the ground gets absorbed, some will re-reradiate down and hit the sensor.

If the ice is above 0K, they both radiate.

Then show it from a measurement. why can't you?

Right, sensors are garbage.

they are when they are cooled to read something that isn't there.

Why can't you plug in the numbers? Math still make you sad?

science is also observation to prove an equation to show it is correct. so show the observed measured Ice emitting. hmmmm skating away brother.

 

[SSDD]

so again, nadda from you! as expected.

Right. Except for all the evidence already posted.
Who told you coffee in a colder environment would warm again?

still nothing eh?

Where's the figures for your equation btw?

View attachment 235558

That equation describes a perfect black body sitting all alone in a perfectly empty vacuum...it doesn't describe the real world at all....

Really?
Imperfect black bodies radiating in atmosphere don't radiate?

Of course they do...but not according to that formula...they radiate according to this formula...not that you can read it....