No Special Master As DOJ Drops Bombshell 40 Page Ruling Obstruction By Trump Team

[Rambunctious]

Trump improperly took classified national defense documents. He failed to return the documents when asked. A subpoena was issued For the classified national defense documents. He failed to respond to the subpoena. He lied about his complying with the subpoena.

These are violations of law.

If they were declassified I don't see an issue... some documents even defense related can be classified for a very short period of time... and then they aren't secret anymore... get it?.... Biden has classified documents at his home too... all presidents do... they work from home...

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why did he take and keep those documents?

Luckily, I still live in a country in which if you do something that does not violate the law, you have no need to explain why you did it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If Trump de classified these documents then the cover page where its titled top secret is no longer valid.... and missing a bundle of documents because they were in a different office is not unusual and is not a crime....

that is one damn big IF

 

[Faun]

Um then nothing can be compromised with same docs sitting in locked drawers of locked rooms in locked resorts with security and cams and secret service.-oops BUT THANKS for admitting your desperation to remove someone you claim lost the last election-wink*
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LOLOL

I point out you're desperate and all you can muster is, nuh-uh, you're desperate!

 

[iceberg]

You must prove its a lie....

Have they ever yet?

 

[Maxdeath]

I love how many on the Right want us to forget that the fat former guy had FOUR YEARS to do something about Hillary and her e-mails and did nothing.

Funny that you think I am on the right.

 

[Funzo Hoss]

To sum it up, Trump took plainly marked classified records to [Mar-a-Lago], he delayed, obstructed and resisted Government efforts to recover them, he (or his staff) concealed the records from investigators, and they got caught doing so," Moss explained.

One of his lawyers actually told a Washington Post reporter she “reviewed” the material.

I wonder if she understands the implications of that

If they were declassified I don't see an issue... some documents even defense related can be classified for a very short period of time... and then they aren't secret anymore... get it?.... Biden has classified documents at his home too... all presidents do... they work from home...

It has nothing to do with being declassified. The documents can't be removed from the SCIFS. They are Government Property not Trump property.

 

[Stann]

He also likes to throw in cometely irrelevant links he has never read, to make his posts look more official or something. It's kind of hilarious.

You guys keep bringing up HRC no one ever mentions George w Bush, now that's the second biggest fish, no one out does trump. www.newsweek.com the George W Bush White House " Lost " 22 million E-mails. September 12th, 2016. Thousands of lives were lost in the Gulf War, half a billion dollars went missing, Iraqi antiquities went missing and so did a lot of emails that might have verified where these things all went to. https://www.washingtonpost.com>.... First panel members quit over looting-The Washington Post April 17th., 2003. A standard to use in this case www.washingtonpost.com presidential records from George Washington to Donald Trump ( 4 days ago ) Also; www.nytimes.com trump flouted rules on presidential records here's why that's true. August 23rd.,2022.

 

[Marener]

If they were declassified I don't see an issue... some documents even defense related can be classified for a very short period of time... and then they aren't secret anymore... get it?.... Biden has classified documents at his home too... all presidents do... they work from home...

If they were declassified it’s still an issue because

1. They weren’t his in the first place
2. He was ordered by a grand jury to give them back and he didn’t
3. He lied that he said they gave them back.

Trump isn’t president. No one is saying he couldn’t have had them when he was president. He’s not president.

 

[Rambunctious]

If they were declassified it’s still an issue because

1. They weren’t his in the first place
2. He was ordered by a grand jury to give them back and he didn’t
3. He lied that he said they gave them back.

Trump isn’t president. No one is saying he couldn’t have had them when he was president. He’s not president.

 

[Rambunctious]

It has nothing to do with being declassified. The documents can't be removed from the SCIFS. They are Government Property not Trump property.

Its very possible that those documents have been there from when Trump worked from home... they may not have ever been in the white house....

 

[Rambunctious]

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Its very possible that those documents have been there from when Trump worked from home... they may not have ever been in the white house....

Its very possible that those documents were put there by aliens from Planet X....they may not have ever been in the white house....

 

[Oddball]

I thought it was the right that always defended the police?

Here, the FBI gave Trump every opportunity to work with them. They failed to do so. The FBI discovered evidence that Trump was retaining documents. Therefore, they got a search warrant.

That's not a police state. Search warrants are so fundamental to the function of a liberal democracy that the constitution specifically mentions them.

The right never defended corrupt dirty cops, sellout scum.

 

[Batcat]

Maybe you'd have a point if Hillary had these hanging at her house:
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So you think putting highly classified info on an unauthorized and improperly secured computer server where it can be hacked by foreign nations is no big deal. You can bet your ass the Russians, the Chinese, .op≥≥≥ the Iranians and the North Koreans all accessed that email.

Chinese company reportedly hacked Clinton's server, got copy of every email in real-time

A Chinese state-owned company reportedly hacked former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s email server, then inserted code that forwarded them a copy of virtually every email she sent or received after that -- a revelation President Trump is demanding be investigated.

www.foxnews.com

Chinese Reportedly Hacked Hillary Server. During Same Time, 12 CIA Sources Reportedly Killed by China. Coincidence?

'The Chinese firm obtained Clinton’s emails in real time.'

www.westernjournal.com

The ICIG got it wrong. The DoJ was well aware of this forwarding email address and used it to facilitate copies of emails.

It wasn’t a hack.

Senate investigators find no evidence China hacked Clinton server | CNN Politics

A long-running Republican-led investigation into the handling of classified information on Hillary Clinton's private email server did not find any evidence that China had successfully hacked the former secretary of state, confirming the findings of the FBI, according to a memo released by two...

www.cnn.com

Interesting if true.

However from your own link from CNN …

After its own investigation, the FBI concluded in 2016 that there was no "direct evidence" that the server had been successfully hacked, though former FBI Director James Comey conceded that "given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence."

Plus there is this. …

Mueller report sheds new light on how the Russians hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign | TechCrunch

The Mueller report contains new information about how the Russian government hacked documents and emails from Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and

techcrunch.com

The Mueller report contains new information about how the Russian government hacked documents and emails from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

At one point, the Russians used servers located in the U.S. to carry out the massive data exfiltration effort, the report confirms.

Much of the information was previously learned from the indictment of Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, the Russian officer in charge of Unit 26165. Netyksho is believed to be still at large in Russia.

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So if the Russians hacked the computers at the DNC and Hillary’s Presidential campaign, it would be logical they would also tap into Hillary’s illegal server. Reading all the emial of Hillary when she was Secretary of State would be important to Vlad Putin.

If Russia failed to hack Hillary’s unauthorized computer, I would hate to be the man in charge of Russian’s intelligence services. He is probably repairing computers in Siberia today.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its very possible that those documents were put there by aliens from Planet X....they may not have ever been in the white house....

Presidents do work from home... biden admitted he has a cabinet in his home where he locks secret documents up....

 

[Rambunctious]

The FBI is trying to sway Americans opinion by taking that picture and releasing it... That's the way someone desperate to explain what they did would act.... I think the DOJ and the FBI are exposed and they know it.....

 

[Batcat]

The amount of pure unadulterated 99/44% essence of bullshit in that post is beyond the limits heretofore set by the Traitor.

There absolutely no proof any Chinese hacking. We know the Traitor illegally stored/maintained classified information. What makes you post totally ridiculous is all you have left is HRC....wow. When in doubt, when nothing else is left, when your quiver is empty....bring up HRC. Do you even realize your whole and entire post reeks of desparation?

Pathetic, beyond pathetic.

Even Comey admitted Hillary’s computer might have been hacked.

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.

www.fbi.gov

***snip***

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

Experts say Hillary's email was probably hacked

According to David Sanger of the New York Times, experts believe that Hillary Clinton's email account probably was hacked successfully. They also say that James Comey's statement on the subject suggests he believes this too. Comey chose his words carefully. He said his investigators found no...

www.powerlineblog.com

POSTED ON JULY 7, 2016 BY PAUL MIRENGOFF IN HILLARY CLINTON, NATIONAL SECURITY

EXPERTS SAY HILLARY’S EMAIL WAS PROBABLY HACKED​

According to David Sanger of the New York Times, experts believe that Hillary Clinton’s email account probably was hacked successfully. They also say that James Comey’s statement on the subject suggests he believes this too.

Comey chose his words carefully. He said his investigators found no “direct evidence” that Hillary Clinton’s email account had been “successfully hacked.” It’s reasonable to infer that they found circumstantial evidence of successful hacking.

Circumstantial evidence (most of which Comey mentioned in his statement) is what the experts Sanger cites rely on. First, as Adam Segal, the author of “Hacked World Order,” who studies cyberissues at the Council on Foreign Relations explains, “sophisticated attackers would have known of the existence of the account, would have targeted it and would not have been seen.” (Emphasis added)
How would they have known about Hillary’s private account? Because, as Comey said, “hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact.” From there, tracking the trail of electronic breadcrumbs back to her server would have been a pretty simple task.
Would hostile actors then have been able successfully to hack Clinton’s system? Sanger says “their ability to break in would have been a mix of skill and luck, but they had plenty of time to get it right.”
One other fact, which Comey highlighted, makes it likely that hostile actors “got it right.” Clinton used her private email while in the territory of what he called “sophisticated adversaries.” Presumably, this means China and/or Russia, though it could mean some other country that’s comparably tech savvy.

Sanger explains that once the hardware is in a foreign country, and on its phone networks, it is particularly vulnerable. James A. Lewis, a former government cyber security expert who now studies the cyber activities of nations at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told Sanger, “if she used it in Russia or China, they almost certainly picked it up.”

 

[meaner gene]

The materials in the binder spoken of in this memorandum from President Trump to the Attorney General are declassified by law, and even in writing though that was not required.

All they had to do was their usual redaction down to nothing usable job on the binder. The only thing standing between them and again hiding the truth from the American people: Trump's copy of the declassified binder.

So, they went and took it

Trumps copy was "redacted" as per the January 17th 2020 letter.

 

[MarathonMike]

No, the Security of the Country takes precedence. Illegally handling Classified Material is a threat to the Nation's Safety. The Freedom of Speech is no way threatened, nor is what happened at Shit-A-Lago is NOT Freedom of Speech Issue.

Dusty boxes of documents NOT a threat. Wide open server with minimal cybersecurity big threat.