no tax return, no place on ballot

[daveman]

Repairing potholes benefit society equally. Forcing one person to pay for another's healthcare is one benefiting at the disadvantage of another.

Repairing potholes benefit society but Medicare doesn't? OK, that's a new one.

That's not a new one... are you an idiot? I'm not benefiting from Medicare, and have not my entire life. Most people do not benefit from Medicare.

Most people don't benefit from a potholes being fixed on streets they don't personally drive on either. If you make it to retirement, you'll benefit from Medicare, if not you then someone in your family.

How can people like you even say stuff like that? Medicare covers barely 55 million people. There are 330 Million people in this country. Is math that hard for you?[/quote[

At one time, that's a lot of people. Chances are the local fire department didn't save your house either, you're still paying for them to save others.

Clearing pot holes benefits absolutely everyone, including the people on Medicare. Medicare benefits a minority, at the expense of the majority. I have been paying for Medicare, that has never benefited me yet in my life. I am harmed by Medicare, because I have to pay for it, while I get nothing in return.

Like pot hole repairs it benefits most at some point in their life. Maybe you should go protest all those potholes that have been fixed on all the roads you don't drive on.

Meanwhile, Medicare is going broke.
Unfunded Govt. Liabilities -- Our Ticking Time Bomb | RealClearPolitics

We have $122 Trillion in unfunded liabilities with Medicare.

Do you see a slight difference? Clearing pot holes benefits everyone, and doesn't bankrupt the country. Medicare benefits a few, and can very easily bankrupt the country.

Yes, stupid.... Repairing pot holes benefits society, and Medicare most certainly does not. Facts over opinions.

Maybe stop pushing tax cuts for the wealthy if you're concerned about debt and unfunded mandates.

The wealthy don't have enough money to pay for your handout programs, let alone the debt and unfunded mandates.

Something tells me you would benefit the most.

Something's lying to you. And you're gullible enough to believe it.

 

[pknopp]

Immigrants will work for that kind of money. That's why there is such a market for their labor.

Correct, and that's why we need a wall to stop them from coming here.

there is no wall, and will never be a wall.

Trump settled for a fence barrier duplicating portions of the old fence - you know, the one THAT DIDNT FUCKING WORK STOPPING IMMIGRANTS -

View attachment 272467

liberals: SEE FENCES DON'T WORK THEY DON'T STOP ANYBODY

normal people: uhhh...build more fence, dumbass

With our borders, that is the best you can do. There are thousands and thousands miles of border that can't be fenced.

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

 

[daveman]

No, the person can still run for president, they are not stopping them. You are just making things up.

No, what they are saying is HE CAN'T run for President in their state. Again, totally unconstitutional.

That's like my state saying before the Romney election, all contenders must provide their college transcripts and original birth certificate. Do you think my state would have been able to do that for DumBama's reelection?

It doesn't say he can't run for President it says he cannot be on ballot, one can always write his name in. With that being said if they are going to pass such law they need to include anyone running for any office in the state.

Well how can he run for President and not be on the ballot? How would you like Trump to run in California and the Democrat have to be a write in???

If California stands by its claim that Trump won't be on the ballot, thus denying citizens who are republican, the right to vote for their candidate, the federal government should simply strip California of its statehood, set up border checkpoints and build a larger wall. The resident republicans can pack up and move to Texas or some other pro-republican state.

Oh, bullshit. The state is not saying Trump can't appear on the electoral ballot. If Trump does not appear on the ballot, it will be his decision not to meet exactly the same requirements that all presidential and gubernatorial candidates must meet.

Keep in mind this is not a general election. The purpose of a presidential primary is to show voter preference to assist political parties in nominating a candidate.

Also, a state presidential primary is not a federal requirement. Until the early 20th century there were no state run presidential primaries. Today primaries are used to help parties determine nominees. However some states still use caucuses.

State parties run caucuses, but state governments conduct primaries. The state determines when and where primaries are held, rules for listing candidates, whether write-ins are allowed, whether the primary is open or closed, etc. The only federal law that applies to primary voting is the Voting Act. Party rules determine how primary election results are handled. In most states, the party selects delegates pledged to the winner of the primary but that has not always been the case.

"The purpose of a presidential primary is to show voter preference to assist political parties in nominating a candidate."

Why do California Democrats think they should have a say in Republican Party affairs?

 

[daveman]

No, I want to know everything I can about any candidate, but at their option or their opponents research, not a government mandate.

The only thing a tax return can tell us is how much they made, how much they contributed to charity, and how much they wrote off. In other words for the presidency, it tells us nothing. It only tells us of their personal dealings which is really none of the voters business.

Now if they have or had any shady or illegal dealings, do you think they would put those deals on their tax return?

First, California is not forcing Trump to do anything. Trump is choosing to put his name on the primary ballot and thus must meet the same requirement as other candidates both presidential and gubernatorial which is well within the purview of the state.

Second, the republican party in California will send Trump delegates to the convention whether he is on the ballot or not. The presidential primary election in California just shows voter preference. The state committee actually decides who the delegates will be.

Tax forms tell us far more about a candidate than just the money they made and charitable contributions. It tells us how the money was made, the candidate's financial connections domestic and abroad, to who the candidate owes money, investments both domestic and foreign. In short, tax returns reveal where conflicts of interest may lie. Without tax forms, the voter has to rely on the honesty of the candidate and political hacks that create false news as fast as Trump tweets. This is why all modern day presidential candidates except for Trump have released their tax returns.

If your tax preparer is listing who you owe money to, how you are connected to the money, how your money was made, you better first fire them, and secondly, call the authorities.

Your tax form will contain a W2 if you are working for somebody else that has the various taxes and gross income listed. But nowhere does it say who you owe money to perhaps outside of a bank, and the only reason for that is if you are deducting interest rates. It doesn't say how you made that money either. The IRS has no idea I'm a truck driver.

It is a nice list of extremely poor excuses to get Trump's tax returns, when in reality, it has nothing to do with his presidency or anybody running for President. This law is nothing more than blackmail which just about any non-commie court can clearly see.

You cannot make additional requirements to the Constitution as a political attack (which this is) yet alone make additional requirements for any other reason.

Now if this law had a chance at hell in not being defeated by the courts, then Trump or anybody can make up a phony return saying anything he wanted to. There is no way to check that against the IRS files because the IRS files are off limits to everybody.

Trump's total tax return is reported to be over 125 pages without supporting worksheets and forms. For anyone who operates and managing an organization the size of the Trump Organization there is a huge amount of information in his tax returns.

To report interest paid on loans you must list who holds the loans. Every write off requires supporting data. Every source of income must be listed. Sale of assets have to be reported.

Yes, if a candidate does not release his tax returns, then his opponent can make up all kinds shit about his finances. This is one the reason they release their returns.

Of course if the candidate has financial transaction that would indicate a conflict of interest transaction that would point to possible criminal conspiracies, or transactions that would be difficult for the president to explain then the president might well chose to hide hide them from voters.

It doesn't matter if Trump releases his returns or not. Democrats will still make up shit.

And whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, he will still be the republican nominee.

He will, CA Dem's butthurt tantrums notwithstanding.

 

[daveman]

Correct, and that's why we need a wall to stop them from coming here.

there is no wall, and will never be a wall.

Trump settled for a fence barrier duplicating portions of the old fence - you know, the one THAT DIDNT FUCKING WORK STOPPING IMMIGRANTS -

View attachment 272467

liberals: SEE FENCES DON'T WORK THEY DON'T STOP ANYBODY

normal people: uhhh...build more fence, dumbass

With our borders, that is the best you can do. There are thousands and thousands miles of border that can't be fenced.

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

 

[pknopp]

there is no wall, and will never be a wall.

Trump settled for a fence barrier duplicating portions of the old fence - you know, the one THAT DIDNT FUCKING WORK STOPPING IMMIGRANTS -

View attachment 272467

liberals: SEE FENCES DON'T WORK THEY DON'T STOP ANYBODY

normal people: uhhh...build more fence, dumbass

With our borders, that is the best you can do. There are thousands and thousands miles of border that can't be fenced.

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

 

[Denizen]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

View attachment 272467

liberals: SEE FENCES DON'T WORK THEY DON'T STOP ANYBODY

normal people: uhhh...build more fence, dumbass

With our borders, that is the best you can do. There are thousands and thousands miles of border that can't be fenced.

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

 

[pknopp]

With our borders, that is the best you can do. There are thousands and thousands miles of border that can't be fenced.

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

 

[MaryL]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As usual, California ignores the Constitution. Article II creates three requirements for the President: citizenship, age, and a period of U.S. residency. NO STATE can impose additional qualifications or requirements. NOT EVEN CALIFORNIA!!

Fuckin' loons.

California did not add any requirements to becoming president. The California tax return law applies only to the primary, not the general election. If Trump's name is not on the primary ballot in California, it will be because Trump, not the state made that decision.

Okay, so let's say you read of a job that pays great money you and everybody else wants to apply for. The requirement is you must give the potential employer five years of your tax returns. Is that okay with you?

Because according to you, they are not forcing you to provide those returns, you simply can't have the job unless you do. How many millions do you suppose that employer would get sued for?

You cannot force anybody to surrender their tax returns as a condition of employment. It's illegal. I as a landlord cannot force somebody to surrender their tax returns as a condition of renting them an apartment. It's illegal.

This is the difference between procedural requirements and qualification requirements. A potential employer cannot force you to provide them copies of your returns, but they can legally require that all resumes must be submitted by August 9th so they can begin their elimination process and organize their interview schedule.

 

[pknopp]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So the liberal solution is to invite more illegals in and shield them from the law.

Brilliant.

Democrats simply don't take national security seriously.

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

They labeled themselves as Sanctuary cities, and after the election, some states have labeled themselves as sanctuary.

We didn't make up that term--they did. Sanctuary means to give shelter to people who broke our laws. Not only do they refuse to interact with our federal agencies, some have made laws against doing so for government employees. You can be fired for cooperating with federal authorities.

That's Sanctuary alright.

 

[pknopp]

Don't blame others for what Trump won't do.

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

Which was the case. You were told that by me. You are discussing this with me. I have no control or anything to do with what others say.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

I don't care what others have told you. What it would take is quite a few highly publicized raids with very strong repercussions for it to start to have an affect. That is not going to happen. Business wants them here to both work for them and to purchase their products. Trump is going to do nothing to interfere in that.

 

[MaryL]

Let's say I agree, Trump is a sneaky conniving jerk He broke laws and , remember what, fellow democratianians ? There are no illegal humans! Trump is a human being. Not a illegal, just because he might have skirted certain laws. So he's decent human being, just because he broke federal laws, he is still a human being, don't penalize him. I know, lets give him sanctuary, because, he's human! And we won't vote on it if we want it, they will just make it happen. Because there are some things way to important to ask permission of the voters. Sound familiar to anyone?

 

[pknopp]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

They labeled themselves as Sanctuary cities, and after the election, some states have labeled themselves as sanctuary.

Yes they have. Political mumbo jumbo. Like Trump they are doing nothing but blathering on.

We didn't make up that term--they did. Sanctuary means to give shelter to people who broke our laws. Not only do they refuse to interact with our federal agencies, some have made laws against doing so for government employees. You can be fired for cooperating with federal authorities.

That's Sanctuary alright.

They can do absolutely nothing about the Feds coming in. Nothing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

They labeled themselves as Sanctuary cities, and after the election, some states have labeled themselves as sanctuary.

Yes they have. Political mumbo jumbo. Like Trump they are doing nothing but blathering on.

We didn't make up that term--they did. Sanctuary means to give shelter to people who broke our laws. Not only do they refuse to interact with our federal agencies, some have made laws against doing so for government employees. You can be fired for cooperating with federal authorities.

That's Sanctuary alright.

They can do absolutely nothing about the Feds coming in. Nothing.

No they cannot, but they don't have to alert the feds of illegal criminals in their custody. They have issued warnings for illegals to hide because they knew the feds were coming in. They have told their local authorities they are not to cooperate with the feds in any way, even if they know something the feds want to know.

These are anti-American, pro-illegal government entities we are talking about here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Y'all need to make up your mind. First it's TRUMP CANT DO THAT, now it's TRUMP WONT DO THAT.

Meanwhile, what is incorrect about what I said? All of it is undeniably true.

I'm not You all. I have no idea what you are claiming I said Trump can't do. You really haven't said anything other than you think he will do something that there is no sign of him being willing to do.

He doesn't even say he will go after the employers and that is what has to be done. He can do that. I've said many times he can. I said he won't.

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

Which was the case. You were told that by me. You are discussing this with me. I have no control or anything to do with what others say.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

I don't care what others have told you. What it would take is quite a few highly publicized raids with very strong repercussions for it to start to have an affect. That is not going to happen. Business wants them here to both work for them and to purchase their products. Trump is going to do nothing to interfere in that.

It seems like he already is. You want stricter penalties? Contact your local Democrat representative for that. All bills originate in the House which they now control.

 

[pknopp]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

They labeled themselves as Sanctuary cities, and after the election, some states have labeled themselves as sanctuary.

Yes they have. Political mumbo jumbo. Like Trump they are doing nothing but blathering on.

We didn't make up that term--they did. Sanctuary means to give shelter to people who broke our laws. Not only do they refuse to interact with our federal agencies, some have made laws against doing so for government employees. You can be fired for cooperating with federal authorities.

That's Sanctuary alright.

They can do absolutely nothing about the Feds coming in. Nothing.

No they cannot, but they don't have to alert the feds of illegal criminals in their custody.

The only way they can determine if they are illegal is to contact the Feds. If they know they are illegal, the feds know it.

They have issued warnings for illegals to hide because they knew the feds were coming in. They have told their local authorities they are not to cooperate with the feds in any way, even if they know something the feds want to know.

These are anti-American, pro-illegal government entities we are talking about here.

What has happened is the Feds have asked the cities to hold the illegals for them. The federal government would not reimburse the costs and then the cities got sued and lost for holding people without a charge they could enforce so they said "Screw that".