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Non US citizens have a say! Why?
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Lesh
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God damn good thing that freak doesn't make the lawsI just provided the operational definition of what a resident is. To me it is illogical to treat people who don't at least have a green card as residents but I don't make the laws.Other than the operational definition of resident.A person coming into a place with intention to establish his domicil or permanent residence, and who in consequence actually remains there. Time is not so essential as the intent, executed by making or beginning an actual establishment, though it be abandoned in a longer, or shorter period.Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
Nope, not even a little.
Not all non residents come with the intention of establishing permanent residence here. Sorry.
You keep bringing up this intention of permanent residence. I don't know of anything in the Constitution that requires this.
I think the issue with you is more about intention than anything else. The Constitution doesn't say anything about intention.
No, you don't the laws.
There is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
Toro
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So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
The COTUS says "all people residing in the United States."
They are people residing in the United States.
Leo123
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It's not about being counted. Slaves counted for 0 and women couldn't vote. Claims that representation should be based on a whole-count census was not what the 1700s were all about. You left out 100s of years of history like so many ignorant lefties....and they were all counted in the census, including non citizens. So again, what is the point in regards to the op claiming only citizens should be counted?
Leo123
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That's find and dandy but in order to understand COTUS one has to understand the English-American literate lexicon.The COTUS says "all people residing in the United States."
They are people residing in the United States.
From Merriam-Webster: "Reside"
"to dwell permanently or continuously : occupy a place as one's legal domicile."
Definition of RESIDE
An illegal alien should not have a permanent or continously occupied legal domicile or be able to dwell permanently on U.S. soil. They were categorized separate from Citizens and may or may not have been counted as part of a legal, political constituency. Over the years leftists and those who wish to undermine America are re-defining words according to their political whims. Sadly and unfortunately, especially for the Left in this country today, illiteracy is rampant and history is to be erased and/or torn down.
An apartment that they pay rent for, is a legal domicile.That's find and dandy but in order to understand COTUS one has to understand the English-American literate lexicon.The COTUS says "all people residing in the United States."
They are people residing in the United States.
From Merriam-Webster: "Reside"
"to dwell permanently or continuously : occupy a place as one's legal domicile."
Definition of RESIDE
An illegal alien should not have a permanent or continously occupied legal domicile or be able to dwell permanently on U.S. soil. They were categorized separate from Citizens and may or may not have been counted as part of a legal, political constituency. Over the years leftists and those who wish to undermine America are re-defining words according to their political whims. Sadly and unfortunately, especially for the Left in this country today, illiteracy is rampant and history is to be erased and/or torn down.
Lesh
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Slaves were counted as 3/5. You really need to sop talkingIt's not about being counted. Slaves counted for 0 and women couldn't vote.
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LOL or the grammarI just provided the operational definition of what a resident is. To me it is illogical to treat people who don't at least have a green card as residents but I don't make the laws.Other than the operational definition of resident.A person coming into a place with intention to establish his domicil or permanent residence, and who in consequence actually remains there. Time is not so essential as the intent, executed by making or beginning an actual establishment, though it be abandoned in a longer, or shorter period.Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
Nope, not even a little.
Not all non residents come with the intention of establishing permanent residence here. Sorry.
You keep bringing up this intention of permanent residence. I don't know of anything in the Constitution that requires this.
I think the issue with you is more about intention than anything else. The Constitution doesn't say anything about intention.
No, you don't the laws.
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He wouldn’t and shouldn’t and neither should non green card members count as it could create major issuesThere is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
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- #132
So are part time students. Funny how you follow the constitution only when convenient as you want to abolish the ECSo we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
The COTUS says "all people residing in the United States."
They are people residing in the United States.
XponentialChaos
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XponentialChaos
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ok, good. Now show me where it says that non citizens are to be counted for the purpose of representative apportionment....And be sure that if found it wasn’t legislated from then til now.
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That's your opinion, but the Constitution, differs with it!He wouldn’t and shouldn’t and neither should non green card members count as it could create major issuesThere is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
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Now you follow it. But you don’t when we discuss the EC. Hypocrisy 101That's your opinion, but the Constitution, differs with it!He wouldn’t and shouldn’t and neither should non green card members count as it could create major issuesThere is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
At the time of our founders, we had people coming over in boatloads.... initially I believe they just had to live here and toil the soil/ or reside here and support yourself for 5 years and then citizenship was granted to you and your family, it later was reduced to just 2 years of living here, then citizenship was granted...if you were not black...
We, America, was one of the only places in the world, that was offering citizenship, to any foreigner wanting to live here....and not through bloodline only....like most nations.
No one was prevented from living here if they were not citizens, no one had to have a green card, at the time of our founders....
The census, was to get a count of every person living here... on the old census counts all members of households, separated by age group and female vs male were counted and an addendum with all slaves in household, separate count by age group and male/female.
There was no question on citizenship.
We, America, was one of the only places in the world, that was offering citizenship, to any foreigner wanting to live here....and not through bloodline only....like most nations.
No one was prevented from living here if they were not citizens, no one had to have a green card, at the time of our founders....
The census, was to get a count of every person living here... on the old census counts all members of households, separated by age group and female vs male were counted and an addendum with all slaves in household, separate count by age group and male/female.
There was no question on citizenship.
Huh?Now you follow it. But you don’t when we discuss the EC. Hypocrisy 101That's your opinion, but the Constitution, differs with it!He wouldn’t and shouldn’t and neither should non green card members count as it could create major issuesThere is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
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- #140
You want to abolish the EC. Correct?Huh?Now you follow it. But you don’t when we discuss the EC. Hypocrisy 101That's your opinion, but the Constitution, differs with it!He wouldn’t and shouldn’t and neither should non green card members count as it could create major issuesThere is 1 census per household residence.... your parents would fill out the questionnaire... if your father didn't follow instructions and counted a guest in his household as having residence here, then so be it...Lie? What do you mean lie? Don't follow.If your parents want to lie, sure.So if a visitor for Russia stays with my parents for say six months should they be counted?You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green cardNot certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictableTourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?
It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.
Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?
You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.
They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....
Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....
The census is not perfect, mostly because they can't get residents to fill it out.
This census will result in a huge under count due to covid, census counters were on lockdown, couldn't chase the non reply people, plus TRUMP cut the census time period short when an extension was asked for.....
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