None of you are rich. Why are you defending billionaires?

[Conservative]

RDean - we know why you defend Socialism. You don't want your Food Stamps taken away from you. Don't worry, once Perry is elected, people of your ilk will be cut off at the knees.

You are always making remarks insinuating that liberals don't work and collect every free dollar they can. Prove it. What is your source of reference?? If you don't have one, maybe you shouldn't make outrageous statements like that.

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I started working a part time job when I was 16 years old. And I was still in school. When I finished school I got a good job and stayed with the company almost 30 years. Received several promotions and raises. I have a pension, social security, and a 401-K. How about you?? I'd love to know. YOU are probably the bum!!! I picture you to look just like the picture in your avi. Yuck!!

Hey dumb shit - the idiot RDean makes BLANKET statements regarding Conservatives every day. I threw one in about Liberals in the middle of this BS thread to illustrate how assinine this tactic is.

Mind your own fucking business and lighten the fuck up, Alice.

And it's none of your damned business what I am worth or what I look like - so FOAD.

Yeah... lighten up, Francis.

 

[Conservative]

When was the last time you wrote a check to Uncle Sam?

That dumb bitch probably gets a REFUND every year in addition to Food Stamps and other "freebies" throughout the year.

And she probably lives in a free FEMA trailer.

the formaldehyde fumes would certainly explain a lot, huh.

 

[Warrior102]

When was the last time you wrote a check to Uncle Sam?

That dumb bitch probably gets a REFUND every year in addition to Food Stamps and other "freebies" throughout the year.

And she probably lives in a free FEMA trailer.

Without a doubt. Probably scarfs dow two dozen ding-dongs with a side order of Twinkies. And that's just during the Jerry Springer hour!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

That dumb bitch probably gets a REFUND every year in addition to Food Stamps and other "freebies" throughout the year.

And she probably lives in a free FEMA trailer.

Without a doubt. Probably scarfs dow two dozen ding-dongs with a side order of Twinkies. And that's just during the Jerry Springer hour!

They serve those to her in his blue room while she's waiting to go on stage.

 

[GeoLaureate8]

Actually you started out talking about Liberalism ("Liberalism: less economic freedom, more social freedom
Conservativsm: more economic freedom, less social freedoms") and then switched over to talking about Libertarianism like they were the same.

False. I didn't imply Libertarianism was the same, on the contrary it was implied that Libertarianism is different than both. I just brought up Libertarianism to show someone why Conservatism isn't about freedom so to demonstrate that I said contrast Conservatism with Libertarianism (a true ideology of freedom) to find out why Conservatism isn't about Libertarianism.



You're confused because I don't fall in line with the establishments false left-right paradigm.

So because I'm a fiscal conservative I'm also a fascist? That's absurd.

Depends. Do you believe in the entirety of Conservatism, or just the economic policies? If you're just fiscally Conservative and not socially, then what's your social policy views?

If you support fiscal Conservatism and social Liberalism, for the most part you're a Libertarian. But then why call yourself "Conservative?"


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The only people that believe in the "entirety of Conservatism" are people like you who believe "your" take on what being a conservative means.

By "entirety of Conservatism" I simply meant the economic and social aspects of Conservatism. I didn't mean every single view espoused by every major Conservative.

Political ideologies have two aspects, economic and social/personal. It's not wrong to ask if you support just economic Conservatism or if you support economic and social Conservatism.

I call myself a conservative because unlike you I understand that conservatism embodies a wide range of individual view points.

I acknowledge that, yes there is a wide range of individual viewpoints that vary among people of different ideologies. I'm just asking if you consider yourself socially Conservative or not.


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[driveby]

RDean - we know why you defend Socialism. You don't want your Food Stamps taken away from you. Don't worry, once Perry is elected, people of your ilk will be cut off at the knees.

You are always making remarks insinuating that liberals don't work and collect every free dollar they can. Prove it. What is your source of reference?? If you don't have one, maybe you shouldn't make outrageous statements like that.

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I started working a part time job when I was 16 years old. And I was still in school. When I finished school I got a good job and stayed with the company almost 30 years. Received several promotions and raises. I have a pension, social security, and a 401-K. How about you?? I'd love to know. YOU are probably the bum!!! I picture you to look just like the picture in your avi. Yuck!!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Class Warfare!!!!!

Class Warfare started before Republicans apologized to BP.

It started before the Bush Tax cuts for billionaires.

It started before business and the Chamber of Commerce began giving to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats.

It began before Republicans created subsidies for oil companies.

Class Warfare began before medical bills became the number one cause of bankruptcy.

It was before corporations, with Republican help, moved millions of jobs to China.

It was before Republicans practiced voter suppression in Midwestern state.

I think it's been around for awhile.

Define rich.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Because they're kool-aid drinkers. They've been told that rich people "give" them jobs, and they actually believe this.

The peasant grows the grain
The peasant's wife bakes the bread
The lord, who owns the fields, takes all the bread
Of which he gives back to the peasant enough to avoid starvation
The peasant is expected to be grateful

Nobody "gives" me a job.

Without the flower's nectar the bee dies and can't raise his little bee children. Without the bee the flower dies.

 

[Conservative]

Class Warfare!!!!!

Class Warfare started before Republicans apologized to BP.

It started before the Bush Tax cuts for billionaires.

It started before business and the Chamber of Commerce began giving to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats.

It began before Republicans created subsidies for oil companies.

Class Warfare began before medical bills became the number one cause of bankruptcy.

It was before corporations, with Republican help, moved millions of jobs to China.

It was before Republicans practiced voter suppression in Midwestern state.

I think it's been around for awhile.

Define rich.

I believe the President defined it as $200,000/yr in income for an individual, and $250,000 for a married couple.

 

[Mr Natural]

Class Warfare!!!!!

Class Warfare started before Republicans apologized to BP.

It started before the Bush Tax cuts for billionaires.

It started before business and the Chamber of Commerce began giving to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats.

It began before Republicans created subsidies for oil companies.

Class Warfare began before medical bills became the number one cause of bankruptcy.

It was before corporations, with Republican help, moved millions of jobs to China.

It was before Republicans practiced voter suppression in Midwestern state.

I think it's been around for awhile.

Define rich.

When the boss calls you in on Friday afternoon and tells you you have to work the weekend and you can say "Sorry, no can do, I've got plans".

 

[Firehorse]

Because they're kool-aid drinkers. They've been told that rich people "give" them jobs, and they actually believe this.

The peasant grows the grain
The peasant's wife bakes the bread
The lord, who owns the fields, takes all the bread
Of which he gives back to the peasant enough to avoid starvation
The peasant is expected to be grateful

The land owner owns the land and allows the peasents to live on it
The land owner buys the grain
The land owner decides to let the peasents work the fields in exchange for staying on his land.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The typical rightwinger is obsessed with celebrity - especially rich celebrity. The rich to the right are like the royalty to the English - they love them, no matter what, and have no problem with them having more and more and more. They honestly believe that without rich people, the economy could produce nothing.


But the most recent trend in right wing ideology - and the most scary - is that financial success not only equals financial worth - it equals moral worth as well. If someone is poor, its because they are morally deficient - if someone is rich, it is because they are morally virtuous. And it matters not how this came into being. If you are born wealthy and never actually work in your life, then you are still the virtuous "job creator" to the right - while if you are born to a single parent in poverty and have a bad education, you are still poor because of character and moral deficiencies.

 

[McDowell's]

The typical rightwinger is obsessed with celebrity - especially rich celebrity. The rich to the right are like the royalty to the English - they love them, no matter what, and have no problem with them having more and more and more. They honestly believe that without rich people, the economy could produce nothing.


But the most recent trend in right wing ideology - and the most scary - is that financial success not only equals financial worth - it equals moral worth as well. If someone is poor, its because they are morally deficient - if someone is rich, it is because they are morally virtuous. And it matters not how this came into being. If you are born wealthy and never actually work in your life, then you are still the virtuous "job creator" to the right - while if you are born to a single parent in poverty and have a bad education, you are still poor because of character and moral deficiencies.

You are good at stupid, dishonest generalizations.

 

[flacaltenn]

The typical rightwinger is obsessed with celebrity - especially rich celebrity. The rich to the right are like the royalty to the English - they love them, no matter what, and have no problem with them having more and more and more. They honestly believe that without rich people, the economy could produce nothing.


But the most recent trend in right wing ideology - and the most scary - is that financial success not only equals financial worth - it equals moral worth as well. If someone is poor, its because they are morally deficient - if someone is rich, it is because they are morally virtuous. And it matters not how this came into being. If you are born wealthy and never actually work in your life, then you are still the virtuous "job creator" to the right - while if you are born to a single parent in poverty and have a bad education, you are still poor because of character and moral deficiencies.

Now that's one of the ridiculous political stereotypes that I've ever heard You think the audience for Millionaire MatchMaker are all nasty Repubs? You think the folks that eat up the Oscars, Emmys, and Real Housewives of Beverley Hills are all Repubs?

Fascination with "the rich" is a wholesale common culture idiolotry in American society.

And to think that we libertarians and conservatives judge MORAL content by the size of a portfolio --- Priceless. Good try OOpydOO...

 

[Nosmo King]

It is self protection. If it acceptable to steal by vote from one set of people, it is acceptable to steal by vote from any group of people.

If we once go along with the concept that there are acceptable targets that can be robbed with impunity, then the rights of all of us to safe enjoyment of what is ours are annihilated. Lets steal from the Kulaks, from the asians, from the Jews, from the target de jour. And sooner or later it becomes our turn.

At least you checked the hyperbole at the door! Obama is talking about reforming the tax code, and you're channeling Elia Wiesel!

The rich paid 39.5% or so under Clinton. Were they then as endangered as you pretend now?

How does this logic used by the Right work again? You start off with a budget surplus and a booming economy. You cut taxes on the richest Americans, start two foreign wars and finance them with bonds sold to a communist country. Turn the whole mess over, after the inevitable collapse, to a Democrat President. Stonewall each and every one of his programs. Call HIM a communist (after using a communist bank to finance your ineffective wars) and then blame the whole kit and kabboodle on him.

If I could find anything that even smells like common sense in this approach, I'd be eligible for a Nobel Prize in economics.

But looking for common sense in economic terms when studying a purely political problem is an exercise in futility.

 

[Wicked Jester]

The typical rightwinger is obsessed with celebrity - especially rich celebrity. The rich to the right are like the royalty to the English - they love them, no matter what, and have no problem with them having more and more and more. They honestly believe that without rich people, the economy could produce nothing.


But the most recent trend in right wing ideology - and the most scary - is that financial success not only equals financial worth - it equals moral worth as well. If someone is poor, its because they are morally deficient - if someone is rich, it is because they are morally virtuous. And it matters not how this came into being. If you are born wealthy and never actually work in your life, then you are still the virtuous "job creator" to the right - while if you are born to a single parent in poverty and have a bad education, you are still poor because of character and moral deficiencies.

Care to back that bullshit up with facts.....Or is that what the Koz told you ignorant morons to run with, in a desperate attempt to back your failing inept president and his abject idiocy?

Christ, liberals are fuckin' idiots!

 

[The Infidel]

Christ, liberals are fuckin' idiots!

Troof!

 

[mudwhistle]

Class Warfare!!!!!

Class Warfare started before Republicans apologized to BP.

It started before the Bush Tax cuts for billionaires.

It started before business and the Chamber of Commerce began giving to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats.

It began before Republicans created subsidies for oil companies.

Class Warfare began before medical bills became the number one cause of bankruptcy.

It was before corporations, with Republican help, moved millions of jobs to China.

It was before Republicans practiced voter suppression in Midwestern state.

I think it's been around for awhile.

It began in Russia before the Communist Revolution.

This defending the wealthy argument is bogus.

We are trying to stop a lying asshole that will raise all of our taxes. The rich will always find ways to avoid paying more even if it means leaving.

And when you say billionares you really mean anyone who owns a small business or makes just over $200k. We still don't know if he means gross or net because we simply can't trust the SOB.

 

[Mr Natural]

I wouldn't say they defend billionaires as much as they do worship them.

 

[Wiseacre]

" None of you are rich. Why are you defending billionaires? "


I am not defending millionaires and billionaires. But these guys are the people that invest money in new businesses that create jobs. That's the way capitalism works, there's no known better economic model that does it better. Simply put, you want to incentivize more investment by keeping the tax rate low, you do not raise taxes on investment as Obama proposes because that has the opposite affect of disincentivizing investments.

So, why aren't we seeing more investments now, with all that money on the sidelines? Because there are too many other negative factors holding down economic growth - inefficient and costly regulations, expensive healthcare costs that are going up, rising energy, a poor housing market, UE in the crapper. We do not have a viable plan that addresses any of these issues to the satisfaction of most Americans.

In short, I don't give a crap about billionaires, I'm only interested in whatever policies help the rest of us the most. If that means they get the lion's share of the new wealth, so be it.