Not everyone wants all electric automobiles

[Asclepias]

I think tidal power will always be rough to sustain especially with increased climate change. But we could do a lot more with geothermal if the govt really got behind it instead subsidizing oil, gas, and coal exploration. Iceland runs on it.

What kind of equipment is needed to drill geothermal holes???????? You know. The equipment is impossible to manufacture without using fossil fuels! The steel casings aren't made from bamboo!
Fucking wise up!

Nothing is ever emission free the point is to have a power source that in the net produces more emission free power than it takes to make the equipment.

Right now a car will pollute the air significantly more than the process to make the car does.

Biden has promised to install 500K 'highway' charging stations. Where is the electricity needed to quick charge your Tesla while you eat your twenty dollar Big Mac? From ancient 'leaking' power lines coming from hydro electric stations five hundred miles away?
What about the other Tesla owners lined up behind you waiting for their charge-up?

That's a real problem with EVs. But I do think EVs have a place. Most people drive less than 40 miles to work daily and less than that conducting daily business like shopping, going to the bank etc.

Personally this is where I think an EV is a good choice since it's the daily drive not the occasional long road trip that contribute to emissions and pollution

How many thousands does it cost to have your own EV charging station at your home? Let alone the cost in your electric bill. The soon to be extinct middle class sure as hell can't afford to buy a EV.
"Guess what honey? I just got a raise to $15 an hour!. Now we can afford to buy that 80K Tesla and have a 10K charging station installed! "

In 1999 a flat screen TV cost $1,500! You can get eight TVs for that today.

I have a 65" OLED that cost more than that. It depends on the size and picture quality.

My point was advances in technology make for cheaper technology. A 1999 flat screen can't compare to the performance off a 2021 flat screen, sure. But you got less for more twenty years ago.

The costs are borne by the initial adapters. I bought a new roof for my house in 2010. I was the very first home owner in my town to install a standing seam steel roof. A 987 sq. ft. house roofed for $8,400.

Within five years, there were dozens of homes with metal roofs and the cost has been reduced by 15% . I retired as the county building inspector four years ago, so the information I gave is accurate.

How much computing power could $1,500 buy ten years ago. How much could it buy today?

I got it. You were actually agreeing with my early adopters stance.

 

[Nosmo King]

If we took fossil fuels, a finite resource, out of transportation alone, there would be a greater reserve for the other uses of oil. Chemicals, fertilizers, lubricants and plastics are all made from oil.

The exploration, drilling, transport and refining of oil all contribute to pollution and the worsening of the climate. Add tailpipe emissions and the necessity of electric transportation becomes clear.

What possible objections can be made to electric cars and trucks? I'm curious to find out.

People that are stuck in the mud have problems with advancing in pretty much every category in life. These are people I call neanderthal emulators. They cant adapt so they die out. Thank goodness most humans are not as afraid of change as most conservatives.

I call them Luddites, but I'm not certain their politics plays a major role in their attitude. If politics informs your attitude, you've fallen into Identity Politics, and that way brings madness.

 

[evenflow1969]

The Tesla truck still doesn't have the clearance I require.
The torque may help if I attached a blade to the front of it and used it to cut a new road ... Or it would be just like the car sitting high center and spinning wheels.
There is also a difference in getting something moving, and stopping it once it is moving (especially without tearing it up in the process).

But ... It is safe to say you haven't hauled shit ... And have no idea what you are talking about in regards to what I haul.
There are electric vehicles that will haul a huge passenger jet from the gate to the runway if necessary.
They still wouldn't make it half the places I go, hauling what I haul ... No matter how much torque they have.

Then again ... I am not asking them to build me an electric vehicle that can do what the gas or diesel powered ones I already have can do.
I don't need you to agree with me ... I already have what I want and what does the job I need done ...


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Proof that "Not everyone wants all electric automobiles".. yet. Which "everyone" already knew.

Yep, Larry mo and curly there have no argument other than the child that doesn't like his vegetables. But mommy I don't want em. Thats fine natural selection has a tendency to rid us of those types over time. Hopefully for them they will be those people that can afford the classic car or truck over time. I have my doubts though the could not come up with one verifiable fact to support any of their arguments between them. Hillarious

 

[2aguy]

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

So, electricity used to power cars made by coal powered electric plants is cleaner than gasoline?

Yes. Gas burns dirty. Much dirtier than electricity. Didnt you know that?

When battery is old, it goes into landfill....causes more pollution.....

 

[2aguy]

I think tidal power will always be rough to sustain especially with increased climate change. But we could do a lot more with geothermal if the govt really got behind it instead subsidizing oil, gas, and coal exploration. Iceland runs on it.

What kind of equipment is needed to drill geothermal holes???????? You know. The equipment is impossible to manufacture without using fossil fuels! The steel casings aren't made from bamboo!
Fucking wise up!

Nothing is ever emission free the point is to have a power source that in the net produces more emission free power than it takes to make the equipment.

Right now a car will pollute the air significantly more than the process to make the car does.

Biden has promised to install 500K 'highway' charging stations. Where is the electricity needed to quick charge your Tesla while you eat your twenty dollar Big Mac? From ancient 'leaking' power lines coming from hydro electric stations five hundred miles away?
What about the other Tesla owners lined up behind you waiting for their charge-up?

That's a real problem with EVs. But I do think EVs have a place. Most people drive less than 40 miles to work daily and less than that conducting daily business like shopping, going to the bank etc.

Personally this is where I think an EV is a good choice since it's the daily drive not the occasional long road trip that contribute to emissions and pollution

How many thousands does it cost to have your own EV charging station at your home? Let alone the cost in your electric bill. The soon to be extinct middle class sure as hell can't afford to buy a EV.
"Guess what honey? I just got a raise to $15 an hour!. Now we can afford to buy that 80K Tesla and have a 10K charging station installed! "

In 1999 a flat screen TV cost $1,500! You can get eight TVs for that today.

I have a 65" OLED that cost more than that. It depends on the size and picture quality.

My point was advances in technology make for cheaper technology. A 1999 flat screen can't compare to the performance off a 2021 flat screen, sure. But you got less for more twenty years ago.

The costs are borne by the initial adapters. I bought a new roof for my house in 2010. I was the very first home owner in my town to install a standing seam steel roof. A 987 sq. ft. house roofed for $8,400.

Within five years, there were dozens of homes with metal roofs and the cost has been reduced by 15% . I retired as the county building inspector four years ago, so the information I gave is accurate.

How much computing power could $1,500 buy ten years ago. How much could it buy today?

And no one forced people to buy those roofs, those computers or those televisions...........they are going to force people to buy electric vehicles even though they can't produce the electricity for those vehicles with solar and wind....and will need coal, oil, and natural gas to produce those electric cars...

 

[2aguy]

I think tidal power will always be rough to sustain especially with increased climate change. But we could do a lot more with geothermal if the govt really got behind it instead subsidizing oil, gas, and coal exploration. Iceland runs on it.

What kind of equipment is needed to drill geothermal holes???????? You know. The equipment is impossible to manufacture without using fossil fuels! The steel casings aren't made from bamboo!
Fucking wise up!

Nothing is ever emission free the point is to have a power source that in the net produces more emission free power than it takes to make the equipment.

Right now a car will pollute the air significantly more than the process to make the car does.

Biden has promised to install 500K 'highway' charging stations. Where is the electricity needed to quick charge your Tesla while you eat your twenty dollar Big Mac? From ancient 'leaking' power lines coming from hydro electric stations five hundred miles away?
What about the other Tesla owners lined up behind you waiting for their charge-up?

That's a real problem with EVs. But I do think EVs have a place. Most people drive less than 40 miles to work daily and less than that conducting daily business like shopping, going to the bank etc.

Personally this is where I think an EV is a good choice since it's the daily drive not the occasional long road trip that contribute to emissions and pollution

How many thousands does it cost to have your own EV charging station at your home? Let alone the cost in your electric bill. The soon to be extinct middle class sure as hell can't afford to buy a EV.
"Guess what honey? I just got a raise to $15 an hour!. Now we can afford to buy that 80K Tesla and have a 10K charging station installed! "

In 1999 a flat screen TV cost $1,500! You can get eight TVs for that today.

And no one forced you to buy that 1500 dollar t.v. and they didn't stop making older televisions until the actual market made it feasible...

The democrats are skipping the step where the market creates the ability to convert.....that is why it will be a disaster.....rolling black outs, and cars that won't work because we don't have the electrical capacity for them.

 

[Blues Man]

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

So, electricity used to power cars made by coal powered electric plants is cleaner than gasoline?

Yes. Gas burns dirty. Much dirtier than electricity. Didnt you know that?

When battery is old, it goes into landfill....causes more pollution.....

when was the last time you threw a car battery into a landfill?

Even when I buy them from an auto parts store they take your old battery to be recycled.

 

[Desperado]

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

A lot of people drive more than 250 miles a day and cannot wait 6 hours to charge their so they continue their journey

 

[Blues Man]

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

A lot of people drive more than 250 miles a day and cannot wait 6 hours to charge their so they continue their journey

most don't and that's where EVs make the most sense

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

That's awesome!

How many new nuclear power plants should we build to power them?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

that has yet to be proven,,

Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.

how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??

Electricity has been around a long time.

you cant be that stupid can you???

Hold his beer........

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When electric vehicles are superior to gas burners in every way I don't see where there will be a problem. That point is coming quickly.

When electric vehicles are superior to gas burners in every way

Every way?

I can add 300 miles of range to my vehicle in a few minutes, how
long does it take your superior electric vehicle?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

that has yet to be proven,,

Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.

how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??

Electricity has been around a long time.

you cant be that stupid can you???

Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?

where did I say that???

Post #6 you idiot.

Not everyone wants all electric automobiles

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

www.usmessageboard.com

you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,

What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.

correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,

You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?

You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......

You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...

"You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right?"

False

that has yet to be proven,,

Only if youre a Qannon believer. Other people already know the facts about solar powered cars.

Complete guide to solar vehicles: how do solar-powered cars work?

Here's all you need to know about solar-powered cars and how they work.

interestingengineering.com

DURR

 

[badger2]

Our paid-for solar recharging system produces personalized energy unavailable for exploitation by the petroleum pimp. It will be the future of at least a portion of personal transportation, including travel on water and in the air (ex., 4-prop drones).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

believe solar grids will be incorporated into the roads

Driving on top of solar cells?

 

[badger2]

#213: Badger’s e-bike will be exclusively recharged by solar panels/power station, both paid for from the beginning. Obviously, water travel will evolve into floating solar panel stations, themselves capable of exploiting wave energy, though roofs will remain most popular.

 

[2aguy]

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

A lot of people drive more than 250 miles a day and cannot wait 6 hours to charge their so they continue their journey

most don't and that's where EVs make the most sense

Yep......but again.......there is no reason to force people into EVs......when people want them they will buy them....it is the forcing people that is the issue.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Part of our problem is no one

Its a cleaner energy for starters.

that has yet to be proven,,

Maybe in Qannon circles but the rest of the world already knows this.

how can you know the long term effects on something that hasnt ever existed before??

Electricity has been around a long time.

you cant be that stupid can you???

Youre the one claiming electric powered devices have not existed before. Are you stupid or just being paid to pretend you are?

where did I say that???

Post #6 you idiot.

Not everyone wants all electric automobiles

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

www.usmessageboard.com

you should go back and read it,, cause thats not what I said,,

What were you saying hasnt existed before? We were talking about electric powered cars.

correct,, and then you started talking about electricity and other devices,,,

You do realize an electric car is a electric powered device right?

You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right? And the mining needed to make those batteries is as dirty or dirtier than using coal, oil and natural gas....and the batteries are environmental disasters when they are old and no longer working.......

You guys are so dumb........you don't think anything through...

"You do realize that the only way to generate enough electric power is through coal and oil...right?"

False

that has yet to be proven,,

Only if youre a Qannon believer. Other people already know the facts about solar powered cars.

Complete guide to solar vehicles: how do solar-powered cars work?

Here's all you need to know about solar-powered cars and how they work.

interestingengineering.com

not really inspiring there bub..yeah they are working on it but arent close

Its hard to inspire conservatives. They have trouble visualizing anything past the next day.

USual BS...difference between inspire and force. Have posted on this site an EV i might buy if it lives up to its claims. Early Leaf buyers had nothing but regrets,

No one is forcing you. You can keep your fossil fuel burner long after electric cars become the norm. I said inspire. Early adopters of most technology have regrets. However, those with vision can use that to change the world and make it a less poisonous place to live.

Like I’m sorry I bought a beeper. Or 8 track. Or mp3.

You wanna buy my Betamax?

Probably is worth some money like old radios...I'd hang on to it if I were you. Non sequitor. Are you aware that US emissions per capita are at 1950 levels? Now think what life was like then compared to now and marvel at that accomplishment.

I don't have to look anything up. I can go by my own life. BlackSnow, Dirty Air, polluted water and more. The Industrial Revolution of 1895 for the US had gotten completely out of control. Oh, lt's add mud slides where there once were forests. And let's not forget the dead fish and the gunk in the rivers. Corporate America gone crazy. Capitalists destroy everything if allowed all for a short term profit. Capitalism without the desired amount of Socialism (regulations) is a disaster.

We've come a very long way and we have not corrected it all yet. We owe it to Mother Earth to do better. I am High Country. While most of our beliefs coincide with Conservatives, one thing that is the MOST conservative of all is that we don't own the land. We are stewards put in place by God.

There is no mother earth. Quit the psycho green babble and celebrate whats been done. No need for more onerous regulations with things heading quickly in the right direction.

I come from a time long before the New Green Deal when we were caretakers. We took what we needed and protected everything else. In my younger days, I put out more feed than the cattle could eat just to help feed the Deer and the Elk during hard winters. I took a tree, I planted a tree. I cleared a wooded area only to help another wooded area. When forest fires started, WE were the first ones there long before the BLM or the Forest Service and many times, would contain the fire before it got out of hand.

We don't live up there anymore but we still have to make sure that we continue to be the stewards. It has nothing to do with politics.

I remember this commercial when I was a kid. What did conservative kids think when they saw this commercial? Instead of getting the message, they probably had a problem with the indian in the commercial because their parents were raising them to be racists.

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Instead of getting the message, they probably had a problem with the indian in the commercial because.......

Because he was Italian.

 

[Blues Man]

Not everyone in the world wants or can accept all electric automobiles. Why are certain factions in the US trying to force this all electric cars on the entire world?. It is not right or logical.

A lot of people drive more than 250 miles a day and cannot wait 6 hours to charge their so they continue their journey

most don't and that's where EVs make the most sense

Yep......but again.......there is no reason to force people into EVs......when people want them they will buy them....it is the forcing people that is the issue.

There will be an eventual transition and I think more people will have at least one EV and one gas powered car there is no way all automobile companies will phase out all gas powered cars as long as people still want them.

I would consider an EV as a daily driver. To me that makes the most sense and it will have the most impact on air quality than the occasional long trips people make with a gasoline powered car

 

[Nosmo King]

I think tidal power will always be rough to sustain especially with increased climate change. But we could do a lot more with geothermal if the govt really got behind it instead subsidizing oil, gas, and coal exploration. Iceland runs on it.

What kind of equipment is needed to drill geothermal holes???????? You know. The equipment is impossible to manufacture without using fossil fuels! The steel casings aren't made from bamboo!
Fucking wise up!

Nothing is ever emission free the point is to have a power source that in the net produces more emission free power than it takes to make the equipment.

Right now a car will pollute the air significantly more than the process to make the car does.

Biden has promised to install 500K 'highway' charging stations. Where is the electricity needed to quick charge your Tesla while you eat your twenty dollar Big Mac? From ancient 'leaking' power lines coming from hydro electric stations five hundred miles away?
What about the other Tesla owners lined up behind you waiting for their charge-up?

That's a real problem with EVs. But I do think EVs have a place. Most people drive less than 40 miles to work daily and less than that conducting daily business like shopping, going to the bank etc.

Personally this is where I think an EV is a good choice since it's the daily drive not the occasional long road trip that contribute to emissions and pollution

How many thousands does it cost to have your own EV charging station at your home? Let alone the cost in your electric bill. The soon to be extinct middle class sure as hell can't afford to buy a EV.
"Guess what honey? I just got a raise to $15 an hour!. Now we can afford to buy that 80K Tesla and have a 10K charging station installed! "

In 1999 a flat screen TV cost $1,500! You can get eight TVs for that today.

I have a 65" OLED that cost more than that. It depends on the size and picture quality.

My point was advances in technology make for cheaper technology. A 1999 flat screen can't compare to the performance off a 2021 flat screen, sure. But you got less for more twenty years ago.

The costs are borne by the initial adapters. I bought a new roof for my house in 2010. I was the very first home owner in my town to install a standing seam steel roof. A 987 sq. ft. house roofed for $8,400.

Within five years, there were dozens of homes with metal roofs and the cost has been reduced by 15% . I retired as the county building inspector four years ago, so the information I gave is accurate.

How much computing power could $1,500 buy ten years ago. How much could it buy today?

And no one forced people to buy those roofs, those computers or those televisions...........they are going to force people to buy electric vehicles even though they can't produce the electricity for those vehicles with solar and wind....and will need coal, oil, and natural gas to produce those electric cars...

Why do you believe sustainable energy sources can't work?