Note to desperate liberals: The public majority is FOR the Electoral College deciding the Presidency

[NYcarbineer]

Keep the Electoral College and the current way we elect presidents..... 403 (40%)
Amend the Constitution to replace the Electoral College with the popular vote, where the candidate with the most votes nationally wins the presidency.... 463 (46%)

We've seen recently that polls can be worthless. Polls can be manipulated.​

So we're supposed to believe the myth that most Americans support the electoral college despite the fact that no one can supply any evidence whatsoever to support that claim?

You're stupid.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Keep the Electoral College and the current way we elect presidents..... 403 (40%)
Amend the Constitution to replace the Electoral College with the popular vote, where the candidate with the most votes nationally wins the presidency.... 463 (46%)

We've seen recently that polls can be worthless. Polls can be manipulated.​

So we're supposed to believe the myth that most Americans support the electoral college despite the fact that no one can supply any evidence whatsoever to support that claim?

You're stupid.

If the roles had been reversed you loons would be singing the praises of the EC...you're stupid

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep the Electoral College and the current way we elect presidents..... 403 (40%)
Amend the Constitution to replace the Electoral College with the popular vote, where the candidate with the most votes nationally wins the presidency.... 463 (46%)

We've seen recently that polls can be worthless. Polls can be manipulated.​

So we're supposed to believe the myth that most Americans support the electoral college despite the fact that no one can supply any evidence whatsoever to support that claim?

You're stupid.

If the roles had been reversed you loons would be singing the praises of the EC...you're stupid

Ah, so you admit the only reason you're supporting the electoral college is because Trump won.

 

[Thunderbird]

Or in the case of the OP polls can be completely nonexistent.

That's his whole premise for this thread ---an assertion that can only be based on a poll.

Again polls can be manipulated by changing the wording.

Was there ever significant pressure for a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College?

Accept Trump's astounding victory and don't be a sore loser. Hillary spent 100s of millions of dollars and she was propped up by the corporate media. Yet she still managed to lose solid Democrat states like PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan! Normal people are sick of the sneering coastal elites and the PC thought police.

II hope Democrat politicians learn from this election and side with working folk instead of corrupt banksters, twisted transgender activists, and others of that ilk.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Or in the case of the OP polls can be completely nonexistent.

That's his whole premise for this thread ---an assertion that can only be based on a poll.

Again polls can be manipulated by changing the wording.

Was there ever significant pressure for a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College?

Accept Trump's astounding victory and don't be a sore loser. Hillary spent 100s of millions of dollars and she was propped up by the corporate media. Yet she still managed to lose solid Democrat states like PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan! Normal people are sick of the sneering coastal elites and the PC thought police.

II hope Democrat politicians learn from this election and side with working folk instead of corrupt banksters, twisted transgender activists, and others of their ilk.

An amendment to get rid of the electoral college had majority support in 1971, but was killed by the filibuster.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep the Electoral College and the current way we elect presidents..... 403 (40%)
Amend the Constitution to replace the Electoral College with the popular vote, where the candidate with the most votes nationally wins the presidency.... 463 (46%)

We've seen recently that polls can be worthless. Polls can be manipulated.​

So we're supposed to believe the myth that most Americans support the electoral college despite the fact that no one can supply any evidence whatsoever to support that claim?

You're stupid.

If the roles had been reversed you loons would be singing the praises of the EC...you're stupid

Oh really?

Would that explain why I was arguing against the electoral college right here 5 years ago, BEFORE this election?

Is it Time for the Electoral College to Go?

 

[12icer]

>>>>>>> BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about sixty (60) more polls here.
They say the same thing. So BULLSHIT.

Bullshit is right FACTS are if everyone in the country voted dimshitscum would be hanging from trees instead of even on the ticket. YOUR chosen ilk are the scum of the earth ruling class shit like the hitlers stalins king georges idiamins and other dogshitscum dictators, you are just too damn ignorant and indoctrinated to know any better. Until the start of the "Great Society this country was climbing constantly to new highs, when your party of the rich elitist snob egotist took over 60 years ago and have remained in POWER for 95% of the time it has been on decline. The reason we need the electoral college is to keep idiots who have no idea what is going on, but believes whatever the liberal controlled "KEEP ME IN POWER" media puts out as propaganda from giving the government absolute power over our lives. You and all of these "select the ones who say what we want to hear, then edit out the others" Polls are taken in an area when and where the result suits the pollsters. So you are the "BULLSHIT" PUMP. These are just like the polls that foretold the great victory of the shitscumbitch. Living with your sadly debilitating handicap of low IQ and easy indoctrination must be a severe challenge. I will pray for you, HAHAHA you betcha.

 

[JoeNormal]

The Electoral College was put into the Constitution when it was originally written in 1789, for good reason. It has been more than 200 years since then. The American public has had all that time to decide whether they wanted to keep it. The Constitution has been amended 27 times in all that time, and never once has the public put any significant pressure on their congressmen to propose a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College.

Clearly most normal Americans are just fine with it. Probably more so today than in previous elections. Clearly a large majority of the American people want to keep it just as it is, and NOT resort to electing a President by popular majority.

Sorry, liberals. I know you have no interest in following the law. But enough normal Americans do, that it is clear that a large majority of them want Trump elected just this way.

But keep please squalling and whining. It's one of the things that got you thrown out of office so hugely on Nov. 8, 2016. Your response seems to be to squall and whine even more. I'm happy with that, because it pretty much guarantees the same result in Nov. 2020.

Keep up the good work, liberals!

The public majority is FOR the electoral college? You mean that same public majority that gave Hillary 2.7 million more votes than Trump? Wow, who'd have thought.

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

 

[JoeNormal]

>>>>>>> BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about sixty (60) more polls here.
They say the same thing. So BULLSHIT.

Bullshit is right FACTS are if everyone in the country voted dimshitscum would be hanging from trees instead of even on the ticket. YOUR chosen ilk are the scum of the earth ruling class shit like the hitlers stalins king georges idiamins and other dogshitscum dictators, you are just too damn ignorant and indoctrinated to know any better. Until the start of the "Great Society this country was climbing constantly to new highs, when your party of the rich elitist snob egotist took over 60 years ago and have remained in POWER for 95% of the time it has been on decline. The reason we need the electoral college is to keep idiots who have no idea what is going on, but believes whatever the liberal controlled "KEEP ME IN POWER" media puts out as propaganda from giving the government absolute power over our lives. You and all of these "select the ones who say what we want to hear, then edit out the others" Polls are taken in an area when and where the result suits the pollsters. So you are the "BULLSHIT" PUMP. These are just like the polls that foretold the great victory of the shitscumbitch. Living with your sadly debilitating handicap of low IQ and easy indoctrination must be a severe challenge. I will pray for you, HAHAHA you betcha.

Here's a hint. If you're going to bring the topic of IQ into an argument, YOU should probably try to convince people that it doesn't mean anything rather than imply that yours is high.

 

[koshergrl]

The Electoral College was put into the Constitution when it was originally written in 1789, for good reason. It has been more than 200 years since then. The American public has had all that time to decide whether they wanted to keep it. The Constitution has been amended 27 times in all that time, and never once has the public put any significant pressure on their congressmen to propose a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College.

Clearly most normal Americans are just fine with it. Probably more so today than in previous elections. Clearly a large majority of the American people want to keep it just as it is, and NOT resort to electing a President by popular majority.

Sorry, liberals. I know you have no interest in following the law. But enough normal Americans do, that it is clear that a large majority of them want Trump elected just this way.

But keep please squalling and whining. It's one of the things that got you thrown out of office so hugely on Nov. 8, 2016. Your response seems to be to squall and whine even more. I'm happy with that, because it pretty much guarantees the same result in Nov. 2020.

Keep up the good work, liberals!

The public majority is FOR the electoral college? You mean that same public majority that gave Hillary 2.7 million more votes than Trump? Wow, who'd have thought.

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

 

[12icer]

>>>>>>> BULLSHIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>about sixty (60) more polls here.
They say the same thing. So BULLSHIT.

Bullshit is right FACTS are if everyone in the country voted dimshitscum would be hanging from trees instead of even on the ticket. YOUR chosen ilk are the scum of the earth ruling class shit like the hitlers stalins king georges idiamins and other dogshitscum dictators, you are just too damn ignorant and indoctrinated to know any better. Until the start of the "Great Society this country was climbing constantly to new highs, when your party of the rich elitist snob egotist took over 60 years ago and have remained in POWER for 95% of the time it has been on decline. The reason we need the electoral college is to keep idiots who have no idea what is going on, but believes whatever the liberal controlled "KEEP ME IN POWER" media puts out as propaganda from giving the government absolute power over our lives. You and all of these "select the ones who say what we want to hear, then edit out the others" Polls are taken in an area when and where the result suits the pollsters. So you are the "BULLSHIT" PUMP. These are just like the polls that foretold the great victory of the shitscumbitch. Living with your sadly debilitating handicap of low IQ and easy indoctrination must be a severe challenge. I will pray for you, HAHAHA you betcha.

Here's a hint. If you're going to bring the topic of IQ into an argument, YOU should probably try to convince people that it doesn't mean anything rather than imply that yours is high.

Guess what bud I know mine, Tested by the military, and public school system years ago. Don't need to prove it to a liberal, anyone who would vote for a murdering lying treasonist is definitely below an amoeba. I am just laughing at how easily you liberals are manipulated Trump is making all of your stupid "BEST LEADERS" prove how shallow stupid and inflexible they are just as he showed the world how ignorant your current leadership is in cybersecurity They as much as admitted they are stupid as hell and unable to even protect their OWN underhanded in-house lies and BACKSTABBINGS. They jump at the bait EVERY time (even a stupid fish is smarter) Just like the people you aspire to belittle on this forum do you, HAHAHA. Oh crap. It makes my side hurt.

 

[JoeNormal]

The Electoral College was put into the Constitution when it was originally written in 1789, for good reason. It has been more than 200 years since then. The American public has had all that time to decide whether they wanted to keep it. The Constitution has been amended 27 times in all that time, and never once has the public put any significant pressure on their congressmen to propose a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College.

Clearly most normal Americans are just fine with it. Probably more so today than in previous elections. Clearly a large majority of the American people want to keep it just as it is, and NOT resort to electing a President by popular majority.

Sorry, liberals. I know you have no interest in following the law. But enough normal Americans do, that it is clear that a large majority of them want Trump elected just this way.

But keep please squalling and whining. It's one of the things that got you thrown out of office so hugely on Nov. 8, 2016. Your response seems to be to squall and whine even more. I'm happy with that, because it pretty much guarantees the same result in Nov. 2020.

Keep up the good work, liberals!

The public majority is FOR the electoral college? You mean that same public majority that gave Hillary 2.7 million more votes than Trump? Wow, who'd have thought.

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

Wow, you know how to use Google. Now use it to find that survey that says most Americans want to keep the Electoral College.

 

[koshergrl]

The Electoral College was put into the Constitution when it was originally written in 1789, for good reason. It has been more than 200 years since then. The American public has had all that time to decide whether they wanted to keep it. The Constitution has been amended 27 times in all that time, and never once has the public put any significant pressure on their congressmen to propose a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College.

Clearly most normal Americans are just fine with it. Probably more so today than in previous elections. Clearly a large majority of the American people want to keep it just as it is, and NOT resort to electing a President by popular majority.

Sorry, liberals. I know you have no interest in following the law. But enough normal Americans do, that it is clear that a large majority of them want Trump elected just this way.

But keep please squalling and whining. It's one of the things that got you thrown out of office so hugely on Nov. 8, 2016. Your response seems to be to squall and whine even more. I'm happy with that, because it pretty much guarantees the same result in Nov. 2020.

Keep up the good work, liberals!

The public majority is FOR the electoral college? You mean that same public majority that gave Hillary 2.7 million more votes than Trump? Wow, who'd have thought.

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

Wow, you know how to use Google. Now use it to find that survey that says most Americans want to keep the Electoral College.

"...despite the hardcore left accounting for less than 20% of the population, their influence extends far beyond thanks to the apparent inability of their peripheral supporters to use any modicum of reasoning -- as the left in the United States has been able to identify and manipulate those susceptible to emotional arguments. "

Useful idiot, thy name art JoeAbnormal.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/americas_useful_idiots.html#ixzz4TOOvKW6Q

 

[JoeNormal]

The public majority is FOR the electoral college? You mean that same public majority that gave Hillary 2.7 million more votes than Trump? Wow, who'd have thought.

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

Wow, you know how to use Google. Now use it to find that survey that says most Americans want to keep the Electoral College.

"...despite the hardcore left accounting for less than 20% of the population, their influence extends far beyond thanks to the apparent inability of their peripheral supporters to use any modicum of reasoning -- as the left in the United States has been able to identify and manipulate those susceptible to emotional arguments. "

Useful idiot, thy name art JoeAbnormal.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/americas_useful_idiots.html#ixzz4TOOvKW6Q

Oh boy, there's some hard hitting analysis from a site that only Fox News lovers would quote. And JoeAbnormal.... OMG, your satire is brilliant!

 

[koshergrl]

Oh let's break it down for you...

they voted for Hillary
But they endorse the electoral college, so they recognize that she lost.

Get it?

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

Wow, you know how to use Google. Now use it to find that survey that says most Americans want to keep the Electoral College.

"...despite the hardcore left accounting for less than 20% of the population, their influence extends far beyond thanks to the apparent inability of their peripheral supporters to use any modicum of reasoning -- as the left in the United States has been able to identify and manipulate those susceptible to emotional arguments. "

Useful idiot, thy name art JoeAbnormal.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/americas_useful_idiots.html#ixzz4TOOvKW6Q

Oh boy, there's some hard hitting analysis from a site that only Fox News lovers would quote. And JoeAbnormal.... OMG, your satire is brilliant!

It takes a big man to admit when he's beaten.

Or so they say. I wouldn't know, personally. Not being a man, and having never been beaten....but look at you!

 

[Thunderbird]

Or in the case of the OP polls can be completely nonexistent.

That's his whole premise for this thread ---an assertion that can only be based on a poll.

Again polls can be manipulated by changing the wording.

Was there ever significant pressure for a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College?

Accept Trump's astounding victory and don't be a sore loser. Hillary spent 100s of millions of dollars and she was propped up by the corporate media. Yet she still managed to lose solid Democrat states like PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan! Normal people are sick of the sneering coastal elites and the PC thought police.

II hope Democrat politicians learn from this election and side with working folk instead of corrupt banksters, twisted transgender activists, and others of their ilk.

An amendment to get rid of the electoral college had majority support in 1971, but was killed by the filibuster.

Okay, but Wikipedia says: "Senator Bayh indicated that supporters of the measure were about a dozen votes shy from the 67 needed for the proposal to pass the full Senate."

Without the Electoral College you could have a candidate who massively wins the South (let's say with almost 90% of the vote) and receives little support elsewhere (only 33%) who still wins the presidency.

 

[JoeNormal]

And there was a poll that told you that? Didn't think so.

Lolololol....Useful idiot - Wikipedia

Wow, you know how to use Google. Now use it to find that survey that says most Americans want to keep the Electoral College.

"...despite the hardcore left accounting for less than 20% of the population, their influence extends far beyond thanks to the apparent inability of their peripheral supporters to use any modicum of reasoning -- as the left in the United States has been able to identify and manipulate those susceptible to emotional arguments. "

Useful idiot, thy name art JoeAbnormal.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/americas_useful_idiots.html#ixzz4TOOvKW6Q

Oh boy, there's some hard hitting analysis from a site that only Fox News lovers would quote. And JoeAbnormal.... OMG, your satire is brilliant!

It takes a big man to admit when he's beaten.

Or so they say. I wouldn't know, personally. Not being a man, and having never been beaten....but look at you!

Yup, you're a legend in your own mind.

 

[12icer]

Yeah, Humphrey could not have won even if Wallace wasn't in the election. The 301 that Nixon got would still have beaten both of them combined. The people were tired of the Democrat idea that we could win a war without actually shooting anyone while our enemies were glad to shoot the hell out of our people and the South Vietnamese citizens. Nixon had so much pressure that he finally gave in to the ignorant shit that was, and still is destroying our military, our war winning strategy, and our allies ability to trust our commitment to them in their times of need. BUT for the OP, and the REAL history of the EC abolishment try.
(C&P) (mentalfloss)
The 1968 presidential election season was messy and contentious. The Vietnam War, widespread race riots, the assassination of Robert Kennedy, and lame duck LBJ’s dissolving popularity created a perfect political storm for a third-party candidate. In 1968, that candidate was former Alabama Governor George Wallace, who ran on the American Independent Party ticket against Republican Richard Nixon and Democrat Hubert Humphrey.
Wallace’s pro-segregation platform was popular in the South, and when the ballots were counted, he’d snagged 46 of the available 538 electoral votes. Though Nixon garnered 301 electoral votes and Humphrey went home with 191, the two were separated by less than 1 percent of the national total—just 510,314 votes. The disparity between the popular and electoral votes, as well as Wallace's success, led New York State Representative Emanuel Celler to introduce House Joint Resolution 681, a proposed Amendment to abolish the Electoral College and replace it with a system that required a president-vice president pair of candidates to win 40 percent or more of the national vote. In the event of a tie, or if no pair reached 40 percent, a runoff election would be held between the two tickets with the highest number of votes.
Proponents argued that this system was friendlier to third parties (while not being too friendly to third parties, as 50 percent was deemed to be), less complicated, and would never result in contingent elections by the Senate and House for President and Vice President (which is a possibility with the Electoral College).

The Amendment was passed easily by the House Judiciary Committee in April 1969. By September of the same year, Celler’s Amendment passed with strong bipartisan support in the House of Representatives.
President Nixon endorsed the proposal and urged the Senate to pass its version, now called the Bayh-Celler Amendment after it was sponsored by Senator Birch Bayh of Indiana. A Senate Judiciary Committee approved the proposal with a vote of 11-6 in August 1970.
But things looked grim for the Bayh-Celler Amendment as the proposal prepared to move to the Senate floor. The measure was expected to fall short of the 67 votes needed to pass, so Bayh called Nixon for backup. While he never withdrew his support, the President didn’t call for any more favors regarding the Amendment. On September 17, 1970, the Bayh-Celler Amendment was met with a hearty filibuster from both parties, mostly from Southern states.
Senators from Mississippi, Arkansas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Hawaii, and South Carolina argued that they would lose influence in the national election, and even though the Electoral College is complicated and has some potentially messy loopholes, it had served the country well and there was no real reason to change it. But most explicit in his reasoning was Carl Curtis of Nebraska, he said, “My state of Nebraska has 92/100ths of 1 percent of the electoral vote. Based on the last election, we had 73/100ths of the popular vote. I am not authorized to reduce the voting power of my state by 20 percent.”
It was the beginning of the end for the best attempt in history to abolish the Electoral College. Eventually, the Senate voted to lay the Amendment aside to attend to other business. It officially died with the close of the 91st Congress on January 3, 1971.
(ENDC&P)

 

[Pogo]

Or in the case of the OP polls can be completely nonexistent.

That's his whole premise for this thread ---an assertion that can only be based on a poll.

Again polls can be manipulated by changing the wording.

Was there ever significant pressure for a Constitutional amendment to change or eliminate the Electoral College?

Accept Trump's astounding victory and don't be a sore loser. Hillary spent 100s of millions of dollars and she was propped up by the corporate media. Yet she still managed to lose solid Democrat states like PA, Wisconsin, and Michigan! Normal people are sick of the sneering coastal elites and the PC thought police.

II hope Democrat politicians learn from this election and side with working folk instead of corrupt banksters, twisted transgender activists, and others of their ilk.

An amendment to get rid of the electoral college had majority support in 1971, but was killed by the filibuster.

Okay, but Wikipedia says: "Senator Bayh indicated that supporters of the measure were about a dozen votes shy from the 67 needed for the proposal to pass the full Senate."

Without the Electoral College you could have a candidate who massively wins the South (let's say with almost 90% of the vote) and receives little support elsewhere (only 33%) who still wins the presidency.

No region votes at 90%, certainly not the South. That might have been the case when they were counting their own slaves as three-fifths of a person in order to get more EVs but when they had to admit they were people, that region got diversified.

The EC or a successor system could certainly be arranged to prevent that possibility anyway, WITHOUT the inane bullshit idea of unanimous EC voting. Frankly just making that practice illegal, as Madison proposed, would clear up most of the EC's detrimental effects. Do that, and the popular sentiment to abolish the whole EC drops precipitously, because you've fixed the main issue.

 

[hadit]

It is beyond obvious that democrats only support the popular vote when it suits them.

Anyone recall gay marraige's track record when submitted to the popular vote?

In essence, whenever a democrat whines about the popular vote, well, you know.