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[LordBrownTrout]

You know Biden didn't engage in insurrection, and Trump did. But since you're a screaming toddler, you can't admit it. All the other kewl kidz are lying, and you don't have the guts to refuse to lie along with them.

Actually, no trump didn't engage in some insurrection. Only the libs are pushing such fantasy island junk. Its laughable.

 

[postman]

Balony. The Bill of Rights are guaranteed by the Constitution. They have been violated and this publicity stunt will end overturned by SCOTUS

The 14th Amendment actually "trumps" the bill of rights. As proceeding amendments if in conflict with prior one's supersede. Example the 12th superseded Article 2, and the 21st superseded the 18th.

 

[eagle1462010]

The 14th Amendment actually "trumps" the bill of rights. As proceeding amendments if in conflict with prior one's supersede. Example the 12th superseded Article 2, and the 21st superseded the 18th.

BS.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That's because elections are purely a state function. Congress may dictate rules, like the date the election is to be held on.

Congress could also make a rule about eligibility under both the impeachment clause and A14S3 and the governmental level were the determination is made.

But they haven’t, so without such a rule it would be incumbent on the government entity responsible of the scope of that election.

WW

 

[postman]

BS.

Really, the person getting the most EC votes becomes
president, and the 2nd most EC votes becomes vice president?

US Senators are picked by the state legislatures?

 

[kaz]

You know Biden didn't engage in insurrection, and Trump did. But since you're a screaming toddler, you can't admit it. All the other kewl kidz are lying, and you don't have the guts to refuse to lie along with them.

You can't have it both ways. You can argue insurrection is literal in the 14th (it is) and that Trump did that is retarded. Since you are actually retarded, the rest of this is for your betters, which is everyone but you. If it's not literal, then Biden is clearly guilty. Abandoning our troops in Afghanistan, turning our southern border over to drug cartels, turning our cities over to gangs.

Take your pick, but that Trump is guilty and Biden pure as fresh snow doesn't work, MAGA man. Denied

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Whoooosh! Look at those goalposts go flying ...

Sadly for you, the 14th Amendment does not mention a conviction. Did your cult masters not tell you that?

Well by that standard anyone can be accused and convicted without a trial. Even John Adams defended the british which was very unpopular. You people are very scary.

 

[eagle1462010]

Really, the person getting the most EC votes becomes
president, and the 2nd most EC votes becomes vice president?

US Senators are picked by the state legislatures?

That is a different subject

 

[kyzr]

The President runs the Executive branch of the government, not all of it.
And trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power would fall under revolting against one's own government, of that there is no question.
The only question for people to ask is if Trump did that or not

Trump and Sund both requested the NG for J6, and both requests were denied. Why?
Why would Trump request the NG for J6 if he planned an insurrection? He wouldn't

House Security Chief Said Optics Played Role In Denying Early Request For National Guard

Former House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving said he believed congressional leadership would be wary of military at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

www.huffpost.com

Former House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving said optics played a role in his decision to decline an early request from the U.S. Capitol Police for National Guard assistance in protecting the Capitol on Jan. 6,

DC Mayor Bowser’s Letter Refusing National Guard on January 6

Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser sends a letter to the Acting United States Attorney General, Secretary of the Army, and...

fightwithkash.com

Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser sent a letter to Acting United States Attorney General Jeffery Rosen, Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy, and Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller explaining that Capitol Police were ready for the First Amendment activities taking place in the the lead up to the January 6

So where were the DC police when the Capitol riot broke out? The capitol riot was not instigated by Trump...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're actually claiming that a minor policy difference on immigration is "insurrection"?

That is, you're going full-Goebbels with the BigLie? You're shamelessly serving the Lord of Lies with that much gusto, just because you're too craven to disagee with the other cultists?

So sad. Another Trump cult soul lost to the clutches of Satan. Trump cultists are the personification of the banality of evil.

Minor policy difference?

 

[Smokin' OP]

Meet the Trump cult.

 

[postman]

Well by that standard anyone can be accused and convicted without a trial. Even John Adams defended the british which was very unpopular. You people are very scary.

The 14th refers to those committing the act, not those convicted of committing the act.

Example if someone committed treason, and the president pardoned him, that wouldn't remove the disability imposed by the 14th amendment. Only a 2/3rds vote by both houses of congress can do that.

 

[kaz]

Well by that standard anyone can be accused and convicted without a trial. Even John Adams defended the british which was very unpopular. You people are very scary.

Yes, that's the plan. Everyone but Democrats can be convicted using that standard and Democrat innocence is of course automatically implied

 

[postman]

That is a different subject

That demonstrates that later amendments if in conflict with prior sections or amendments to the constitution supersede.

Which was my point if there was any conflict between the 14th and the bill of rights.

 

[eagle1462010]

The 14th refers to those committing the act, not those convicted of committing the act.

Example if someone committed treason, and the president pardoned him, that wouldn't remove the disability imposed by the 14th amendment. Only a 2/3rds vote by both houses of congress can do that.

 

[eagle1462010]

That demonstrates that later amendments if in conflict with prior sections or amendments to the constitution supersede.

Which was my point if there was any conflict between the 14th and the bill of rights.

Due process is not the same as your new twist to skirt the issue of the Bill of Rights.

SCOTUS is gonna throw this BS out.

 

[kaz]

The 14th refers to those committing the act, not those convicted of committing the act

So you believe innocent until proven guilty is a myth pushed by the right?

Dude, you are STUPID. Here is some reading you seriously need to do since you missed it in high school, and college, and ....

Presumption of innocence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[eagle1462010]

You know. When SCOTUS throws this out. Lawsuits need to come flying out against those doing this in mass.

No better than SCOTUS rules Bill Of Rights violated.

 

[kaz]

Trump and Sund both requested the NG for J6, and both requests were denied. Why?
Why would Trump request the NG for J6 if he planned an insurrection? He wouldn't

House Security Chief Said Optics Played Role In Denying Early Request For National Guard

Former House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving said he believed congressional leadership would be wary of military at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

www.huffpost.com

Former House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving said optics played a role in his decision to decline an early request from the U.S. Capitol Police for National Guard assistance in protecting the Capitol on Jan. 6,

DC Mayor Bowser’s Letter Refusing National Guard on January 6

Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser sends a letter to the Acting United States Attorney General, Secretary of the Army, and...

fightwithkash.com

Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser sent a letter to Acting United States Attorney General Jeffery Rosen, Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy, and Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller explaining that Capitol Police were ready for the First Amendment activities taking place in the the lead up to the January 6

So where were the DC police when the Capitol riot broke out? The capitol riot was not instigated by Trump...

Just more of your Lithuanian propaganda, aren't you really Russian? What is a Lithuanian anyway?

 

[kyzr]

I assume it's the Maine courts at this point.

Yes it was. FPOTUS#45 was given due process as part of a civil bench trial in Colorado

"PROVEN GUILTY" is a standard applied to criminal cases. "ENGAGED IN" is the Constitutional standard cited in the 14th Amendment.

The President and Vice President being elected does not make them not officers. Just as Senators and Representatives, also elected, are still subject to the 14th. Read the 14th, insurrection against the Constitution, not the President

Also, if you go back to the Congressional record and read about the debates there was a specific question as to whether the "any officer" provision applied to the Office of the President and the answer was yes.

WW

Please see my post #170. I proved Trump did not plan or participate in an insurrection.

So who did? The FBI? Who planted that pipe bomb on video? Where where the DC police Bowser promised?

Engaged in means nothing without due process.

You can't have an insurrection against the Constitution, its a piece of paper, duh.