NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon users: Why?

[LordBrownTrout]

I'm a Verizon user and I certainly am not happy....been texting key terms such as "bomb", "terrorist" "middle east" "revolution" etc. randomly to express my displeasure. I recommend that everyone on Verizon flood their texts, phone calls with such words.

Ah yes, another who ascribes to sarcasm as a way of offering up such sentiments as ..."if you're not doing anything wrong.........."

Is that what I said? You better read again. There was NO sarcasm in my post.

My apologies. I'll join in with you since I'm a Verizon customer also.

 

[ClosedCaption]

54 Democrats in the House voted to extend the Patriot Act in 2011. Are you lobbying them yet?

Rabbi Says: 1+2=2
Someone says: No it's actually 3
Rabbie says: yeah but 4 is a equal number

What? He just says shit then when proven wrong floats to the next thing

You are suggesting Democrats didn't vote for the Patroit act both times? You can't see the difference in how it has been applied from one adminstration to the next?

Try to pay attention because you're argueing like a girl. Poster said this: "These are not wiretaps. Same rules as with the Bush Administration. They even gave the telecoms immunity after the fact. Now of course the Warrant(s) absolves the Telecoms.....

Ready to repeal the Patriot Act yet?"

Rabbi Responds: 54 Dems voted for it

You tell me in your estrogen riddled mind how Rabbi addressed anything Blind said.

 

[Antares]

Of course YOU supported Bush doing this just as you support Obama doing it now.

Good on you for manning up and admitting that Carb.

I expect to see the left wing outrage in

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It's a continuation of a Bush administration policy. The fun part will be going back to those years and seeing what the usual suspects on the Right were saying about it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not a conspiracy theory. It's really happening. The Guardian has a copy of the court order.

I'd heard this on Levin earlier and checked it out. The Guardian (left wing Brit newspaper) is reporting that the NSA is secretly collecting millions of Verizon subscribers phone records.

Check this out.

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers.

Under the Bush administration, officials in security agencies had disclosed to reporters the large-scale collection of call records data by the NSA, but this is the first time significant and top-secret documents have revealed the continuation of the practice on a massive scale under President Obama.

The unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is extremely unusual. Fisa court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target who is suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets.

The Guardian approached the National Security Agency, the White House and the Department of Justice for comment in advance of publication on Wednesday.

All declined. The agencies were also offered the opportunity to raise specific security concerns regarding the publication of the court order.

The court order expressly bars Verizon from disclosing to the public either the existence of the FBI's request for its customers' records, or the court order itself.

More at link:

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily | World news | The Guardian

But Barry said this is evil and wrong - when Bush did it.

Watch BlindBoo, Shallow, and the rest of the termites defend this...

 

[Stephanie]

Not a conspiracy theory. It's really happening. The Guardian has a copy of the court order.

I'd heard this on Levin earlier and checked it out. The Guardian (left wing Brit newspaper) is reporting that the NSA is secretly collecting millions of Verizon subscribers phone records.

Check this out.

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

Exclusive: Top secret court order requiring Verizon to hand over all call data shows scale of domestic surveillance under Obama

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

The disclosure is likely to reignite longstanding debates in the US over the proper extent of the government's domestic spying powers.

Under the Bush administration, officials in security agencies had disclosed to reporters the large-scale collection of call records data by the NSA, but this is the first time significant and top-secret documents have revealed the continuation of the practice on a massive scale under President Obama.

The unlimited nature of the records being handed over to the NSA is extremely unusual. Fisa court orders typically direct the production of records pertaining to a specific named target who is suspected of being an agent of a terrorist group or foreign state, or a finite set of individually named targets.

The Guardian approached the National Security Agency, the White House and the Department of Justice for comment in advance of publication on Wednesday.

All declined. The agencies were also offered the opportunity to raise specific security concerns regarding the publication of the court order.

The court order expressly bars Verizon from disclosing to the public either the existence of the FBI's request for its customers' records, or the court order itself.

More at link:

Revealed: NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily | World news | The Guardian

But Barry said this is evil and wrong - when Bush did it.

Watch BlindBoo, Shallow, and the rest of the termites defend this...

yep, and they were screaming from the rooftops about it..now...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Far less Charles Manson sociopaths on the left.

You mean Charlie Manson, THE COMMUNIST?

My god you Obamunists are stupid fucks... Seriously - fucking retards, the lot of you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

BOOOOOOOOOSH
What 2 Party system?

Verizon providing all call records to U.S. under court order - The Washington Post

The order, which was signed by a judge from the secret court that oversees domestic surveillance, was first reported on the Web site of the Guardian newspaper. The Web site reproduced a copy of the order, which two former U.S. officials told The Washington Post appears to be authentic.
If the document is genuine, it could represent the broadest surveillance order known to have been issued. It also would confirm long-standing suspicions of civil liberties advocates about the sweeping nature of U.S. surveillance through commercial carriers under laws passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

An expert in this aspect of the law said Wednesday night that the order appears to be a routine renewal of a similar order first issued by the same court in 2006. The expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive issues, said that the order is reissued routinely every 90 days and that it is not related to any particular investigation by the FBI or any other agency.

The expert referred to such orders as “rubber stamps” sought by the telephone companies to protect themselves after the disclosure in 2005 that widespread warrantless wiretaps could leave them liable for damages.

The order falls under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which authorizes the government to make broad demands on telephone carriers for information about calls. In this case, the order requires Verizon to provide “ongoing, daily” information about “all call detail records . . . created by Verizon for communications between the United States and abroad; or wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”

After the September 2001 terrorist attacks, the Bush administration began a secret NSA program for the bulk collection of Americans’ call records as part of a broader counterterrorism effort that included the wiretapping of Americans’ international phone communications with suspected terrorists without a warrant. The latter effort was put under secret court supervision in 2007. But until now, there had been no evidence that the call records program, whose disclosure by USA Today in 2006 created an uproar, continued under the Obama administration.

Say edtheliar, didn't your god say this?

{"No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war." Or...use their cell phones, perhaps? Senator Obama also opposed immunity from prosecution for telecom companies who cooperated with the Bush-era warrantless wiretapping program after 9/11, which was much more limited in scope. He eventually reversed himself when the final vote came down.
}

Seven Thoughts on the NSA Bombshell - Guy Benson

Look, you're a mindless fuckwad - a termite who just does what you're programmed to do - we get it.

 

[paulitician]

Police States are fun, huh?

 

[saveliberty]

Rabbi Says: 1+2=2
Someone says: No it's actually 3
Rabbie says: yeah but 4 is a equal number

What? He just says shit then when proven wrong floats to the next thing

You are suggesting Democrats didn't vote for the Patroit act both times? You can't see the difference in how it has been applied from one adminstration to the next?

Try to pay attention because you're argueing like a girl. Poster said this: "These are not wiretaps. Same rules as with the Bush Administration. They even gave the telecoms immunity after the fact. Now of course the Warrant(s) absolves the Telecoms.....

Ready to repeal the Patriot Act yet?"

Rabbi Responds: 54 Dems voted for it

You tell me in your estrogen riddled mind how Rabbi addressed anything Blind said.

All you had to do was answer my questions, but then you can't avoid the truth can you?

 

[saveliberty]

As has been pointed out, this new course of action started in April of this year.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He's smarter than I on such matters, so I default to him. Personally, I don't give a shit.

Dogshit is smarter than you are, Shitting Bull.

You Obamunists are a swarm of termites - drones like you have no mind, no ability to think. Pheromones from the hive program you to spew your idiocy - but there in no ability to reason or think in you.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The FISA Court order authorized the collection of ALL of the papers and things did not (on its face) appear to LIMIT those items except to say that the Order terminates in July.

TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN

UNITED STATES
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT
WASHINGTON, D.C.

IN RE APPLICATION OF THE
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Docket Number: BR ?
FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING THE
PRODUCTION OF TANGIBLE THINGS
FROM VERIZON BUSINESS NETWORK SERVICES,
15-80
INC. ON BEHALF OF MCI COMMUNICATION
SERVICES, INC. D/B/A VERIZON
BUSINESS SERVICES.

SECONDARY ORDER
This Court having found that the Application of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation (FBI) for an Order requiring the production of tangible things from
Verizon Business Network Services, Inc. on behalf of MCI Communication Services
Inc., d/b/a Verizon Business Services (individually and collectively "Verizon")
satisfies the requirements of 50 U.S.C. ? 1861,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, the Custodian of Records shall produce to the
National Security Agency (NSA) upon service of this Order, and continue production

TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN
Derived from:
Declassify on:

Pleadings in the above-captioned docket
12 April 2038

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on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order, unless otherwise
ordered by the Court, an electronic copy of the following tangible things: all call detail
records or "telephony metadata" created by Verizon for communications (i) between
the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local
telephone calls. This Order does not require Verizon to produce telephony metadata
for communications wholly originating and terminating in foreign countries.
Telephony metadata includes comprehensive communications routing information,.
including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and
terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number,
International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.), trunk identifier,
telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call. Telephony metadata
does not include the substantive content of any communication, as defined by 18 U.S.C.
? 2510(8), or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that no person shall disclose to any other person that
the FBIor NSA has sought or obtained tangible things under this Order, other than to:
(a) those persons to whom disclosure is necessary to comply with such Order; (b) an
attorney to obtain legal advice or assistance with respect to the production of things in
response to the Order; or (c) other persons as permitted by the Director of the FBI or the
Director's designee. A person to whom disclosure is made pursuant to (a), (b), or (c)

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shall be subject to the nondisclosure requirements applicable to a person to whom an
Order is directed in the same manner as such person. Anyone who discloses to a
person described in (a), (b), or (c) that the FBI or NSA has sought or obtained tangible
things pursuant to this Order shall notify such person of the nondisclosure
requirements of this Order. At the request of the Director of the FBI or the designee of
the Director, any person making or intending to make a disclosure under (a) or (c)
above shall identify to the Director or such designee the person to whom such
disclosure will be made or to whom such disclosure was made prior to the request.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that service of this Order shall be by a method
agreed upon by the Custodian of Records of Verizon and the FBI, and if no agreement is
reached, service shall be personal.

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This authorization requiring the production of certain call detail records or
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"telephony metadata" created by Verizon expires on the I~ day of July, 2013, at
5:00 p.m., Eastern Time.
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Signed
Date

I, Beverly C. Queen, Chief Deputy
Clerk, FISC, certify that this document
is a true and correct copy of the
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Eastern Time

Time

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Verizon forced to hand over telephone data ? full court ruling | World news | guardian.co.uk

The alleged authority for that Order is this:

50 U.S.C. § 1861 : US Code - Section 1861: Access to certain business records for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations

(a) Application for order; conduct of investigation generally
(1) The Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or a
designee of the Director (whose rank shall be no lower than
Assistant Special Agent in Charge) may make an application for an
order requiring the production of any tangible things (including
books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an
investigation to obtain foreign intelligence information not
concerning a United States person or to protect against
international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities,
provided that such investigation of a United States person is not
conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the
first amendment to the Constitution.
(2) An investigation conducted under this section shall -
(A) be conducted under guidelines approved by the Attorney
General under Executive Order 12333 (or a successor order); and
(B) not be conducted of a United States person solely upon the
basis of activities protected by the first amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.
(b) Recipient and contents of application
Each application under this section -
(1) shall be made to -
(A) a judge of the court established by section 1803(a) of
this title; or
(B) a United States Magistrate Judge under chapter 43 of
title 28, who is publicly designated by the Chief Justice of
the United States to have the power to hear applications and
grant orders for the production of tangible things under this
section on behalf of a judge of that court; and
(2) shall specify that the records concerned are sought for an
authorized investigation conducted in accordance with subsection
(a)(2) of this section to obtain foreign intelligence information
not concerning a United States person or to protect against
international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities.
(c) Ex parte judicial order of approval
(1) Upon an application made pursuant to this section, the judge
shall enter an ex parte order as requested, or as modified,
approving the release of records if the judge finds that the
application meets the requirements of this section.
(2) An order under this subsection shall not disclose that it is
issued for purposes of an investigation described in subsection (a)
of this section.
(d) Nondisclosure
No person shall disclose to any other person (other than those
persons necessary to produce the tangible things under this
section) that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has sought or
obtained tangible things under this section.
(e) Liability for good faith disclosure; waiver
A person who, in good faith, produces tangible things under an
order pursuant to this section shall not be liable to any other
person for such production. Such production shall not be deemed to
constitute a waiver of any privilege in any other proceeding or
context.

50 U.S.C. § 1863 : US Code - Section 1863: Repealed. Pub. L. 107-56, title II, Sec. 215, Oct. 26, 2001, 115 Stat. 287

These raise some questions.

WHY is the Order so broad as to be unlimited (other than an expiration date)?

HOW does the ORDER comply with the requirement of excluding U.S. citizens, if that provision applies?

What kind of application FOR the Order could possibly demonstrate ANY need for all the records of that nature from ALL Verizon customers?

How is this NOT a fishing expedition?

Why is a judge not giving a crap about the privacy components in the law itself?

 

[paulitician]

Ah, back to your Porn, Reality TV, Celebrity-Worship, and Sports. Nothing to see here folks. Big Brother's got your back.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's a continuation of a Bush administration policy. The fun part will be going back to those years and seeing what the usual suspects on the Right were saying about it.

A policy you termites called a "war crime" when Bush did it. A policy you termites defend to the death, now that your Queen, little lord Obama, does it.

It's not really hypocrisy, since you have no capacity to reason. The pheromones program you. You are no more sentient than a tape recorder.

 

[BlindBoo]

Go for it----you got the votes. Or is there something you don't know ?

It was a rhetorical question. If you supported Bush in this type of data collection you can't very well not support the current administrations use of the very same tactic. If you didn't support it under Bush, you shouldn't change your tune just because it's a Democrat in the office.

I did not support it under Bush.....but I also did not expect ANY administration to abuse it.

And based on the numbers of records seized?

It is a complete abuse of the PA and by no means in the spirit of its intent.

And you have the number of records collected by each administration?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Ah, back to your Porn, Reality TV, Celebrity-Worship, and Sports. Nothing to see here folks. Big Brother's got your back.

Americans don't care about the 4th Amendment.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Well, at least on April 12, 2038 the information supplied to the Court by the Administration to justify the application and the Order will get declassified.

Whew; that was a close one.

It's almost like they had something to hide otherwise.

 

[Stephanie]

Suckers..
Video at site
Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me

SNIP:

The front-running Democrat in the New Hampshire primary makes the promise in one last stump speech at an election day rally with the Facebook generation.

video and the rest here
Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me

The front-running Democrat in the New Hampshire primary makes the promise in one last stump speech at an election day rally with the Facebook generation.

video at site
Obama: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me | News Blogs - CNET News

 

[Katzndogz]

Ah, back to your Porn, Reality TV, Celebrity-Worship, and Sports. Nothing to see here folks. Big Brother's got your back.

Americans don't care about the 4th Amendment.

Americans do. obamamerican's don't. The nation has divided into two enemy camps. So far, one side has been able to attack the other with impunity.

The NSA scandal, is just the latest, which is it 5 or 6 now?

 

[flacaltenn]

Even has Al Gore upset.

Al Gore: NSA Phone Records Collecting 'Obscenely Outrageous'

So, how 'bout it, Lakhota, you still giving Obama your unconditional support?

Well, he's keeping me safe and I sleep well at night - plus, I'm not trying to hide anything. How about you?

How ironic.. That's EXACTLY what the Cons were saying when Bush was in office. We're doomed because our outrage meters have become so partisian.

You know that logically this means that EITHER AND BOTH PARTIES can now hack away at our civil liberties at their pleasure.. What a bunch of undeserving citizens.. And no wonder why 3rd parties who are ADAMANT about Civil Liberties can't get traction in this country.

Because 60% of folks care more about their party -- then they do about Liberty..

I just posted a thread on what you can do with this "METADATA". And if NSA is building that facility to process it and are allowed to do it --- We are doomed..