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The cited post was inclusive enough; no one is let off any hook, the fashion in which the hook was set is merely clarified.It is not as if the U.S. ever really 'held' Iraq. The illegal invasion wasn't even a declared war; the cowards in Congress didn't have the integrity to do it. The entire adventure was doomed to be nothing but loss. All responsible, all who initiated and voted for it, were either fools or traitors, ignorant of history and international repercussions. We are paying the price, and will continue to, as was the plan of those behind it.
Of course Obama mishandled it. He isn't particularly a genius, and even a genius would have been hard put to redeem the situation. There was no good way forward from the time the Bush League started this mess.
I like how you write a reasonable piece then still at the end let Obama off the hook again anyway. It was both parties. They voted for it together, they ran it, funded it, there's no it was both but it was really Bush as your lame argument goes, it was both and the Senate and House, it was all of them. That ends with a period, not a but ...
BUT, we are in general agreement.
You don't have things very well figured out if you think I'm a 'Democrat'.The cited post was inclusive enough; no one is let off any hook, the fashion in which the hook was set is merely clarified.It is not as if the U.S. ever really 'held' Iraq. The illegal invasion wasn't even a declared war; the cowards in Congress didn't have the integrity to do it. The entire adventure was doomed to be nothing but loss. All responsible, all who initiated and voted for it, were either fools or traitors, ignorant of history and international repercussions. We are paying the price, and will continue to, as was the plan of those behind it.
Of course Obama mishandled it. He isn't particularly a genius, and even a genius would have been hard put to redeem the situation. There was no good way forward from the time the Bush League started this mess.
I like how you write a reasonable piece then still at the end let Obama off the hook again anyway. It was both parties. They voted for it together, they ran it, funded it, there's no it was both but it was really Bush as your lame argument goes, it was both and the Senate and House, it was all of them. That ends with a period, not a but ...
BUT, we are in general agreement.
Not really, I think people are responsible for their own actions. You think they are, sort of, in a way, but they only get a responsibility break when they are Democrats. Entirely different things.
The war was a bad idea. I'd love Democrats to be on my side, but you're not. The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to. They did it hand in hand.
I oppose it because we need a better policy. To Democrats it's a finger pointing exercise while they continue the policy but don't follow through on it. It's pathetic
The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to.
You don't have things very well figured out if you think I'm a 'Democrat'.The cited post was inclusive enough; no one is let off any hook, the fashion in which the hook was set is merely clarified.It is not as if the U.S. ever really 'held' Iraq. The illegal invasion wasn't even a declared war; the cowards in Congress didn't have the integrity to do it. The entire adventure was doomed to be nothing but loss. All responsible, all who initiated and voted for it, were either fools or traitors, ignorant of history and international repercussions. We are paying the price, and will continue to, as was the plan of those behind it.
Of course Obama mishandled it. He isn't particularly a genius, and even a genius would have been hard put to redeem the situation. There was no good way forward from the time the Bush League started this mess.
I like how you write a reasonable piece then still at the end let Obama off the hook again anyway. It was both parties. They voted for it together, they ran it, funded it, there's no it was both but it was really Bush as your lame argument goes, it was both and the Senate and House, it was all of them. That ends with a period, not a but ...
BUT, we are in general agreement.
Not really, I think people are responsible for their own actions. You think they are, sort of, in a way, but they only get a responsibility break when they are Democrats. Entirely different things.
The war was a bad idea. I'd love Democrats to be on my side, but you're not. The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to. They did it hand in hand.
I oppose it because we need a better policy. To Democrats it's a finger pointing exercise while they continue the policy but don't follow through on it. It's pathetic
The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to.
Was Bush lying on October 16, 2002 when he answered a reporter's question?
"THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I have told the Prime Minister that my hope is, is that we could achieve a disarmament of the Iraqi regime peacefully. I haven't given up on the fact that we can achieve it peacefully. We have no plans to use our military until -- unless we need to. I explained to the Prime Minister, just like I explain to every citizen who is interested in this, the military is my last choice, not my first choice.
You have a problem with your analysis that Dems saying they were lied to is a big lie.
Do you believe Bush used the military as a last choice when Bush terminated peaceful UN inspections and Iraq's proactive cooperation in March 2003.
Why did Senator Clinton publically state on March 3 2003 that she wanted Bush to keep the inspections going so that military force would not need to be used?
Do you believe Clintion was lying and Bush told her the truth that using the military was his last choice?
Frank, stay focused, please. No true American conservative approved of the first invasion and none supports the re-entry of troops to Iraq.Frank is a reflexive liar and certainly not a conservative.
No true American conservative approved the invasion of Iraq.
Jake you're all over the place. We're talking about Obama handing Iraq to ISIS and AQ AFTER the peace was won
Bush lost the war long before BHO came president. Bush and Rice were unable to negotiate a SOFA that protected American troops. BHO's mistake, once the Iraqis were willing to do what they should have done under Al Maliki, he sent troops back to Iraq.What I don't understand is why Dems need to lie so badly and openly. You should come out and say, "So what if Obama turned Iraq over to ISIS, we still love him!"
Gotcha, FooledByO. Democrats didn't do it. I mean sure they voted for it and enabled it, they were in the Senate Intelligence committee and in the White House eight of the nine years before the buildup began. But it was W, not them. LOL. You just bathe in the Kool-aid
Bush failed to renegotiate the SOFA. Obama would not accept the Iraqi demands to put American soldiers in Iraqi courts. Americans left Iraq. Iraqis begged for them back and withdrew their SOFA demands. Americans went back.
Tell the truth, Frank.
Gotcha, FooledByO. Democrats didn't do it. I mean sure they voted for it and enabled it, they were in the Senate Intelligence committee and in the White House eight of the nine years before the buildup began. But it was W, not them. LOL. You just bathe in the Kool-aid
You don't have anything. You said it was a big lie when Dems say they were lied to.
You are wrong.
Why are you running from my questions?
Gotcha, FooledByO. Democrats didn't do it. I mean sure they voted for it and enabled it, they were in the Senate Intelligence committee and in the White House eight of the nine years before the buildup began. But it was W, not them. LOL. You just bathe in the Kool-aid
You don't have anything. You said it was a big lie when Dems say they were lied to.
You are wrong.
Why are you running from my questions?
You don't have things very well figured out if you think I'm a 'Democrat'.The cited post was inclusive enough; no one is let off any hook, the fashion in which the hook was set is merely clarified.It is not as if the U.S. ever really 'held' Iraq. The illegal invasion wasn't even a declared war; the cowards in Congress didn't have the integrity to do it. The entire adventure was doomed to be nothing but loss. All responsible, all who initiated and voted for it, were either fools or traitors, ignorant of history and international repercussions. We are paying the price, and will continue to, as was the plan of those behind it.
Of course Obama mishandled it. He isn't particularly a genius, and even a genius would have been hard put to redeem the situation. There was no good way forward from the time the Bush League started this mess.
I like how you write a reasonable piece then still at the end let Obama off the hook again anyway. It was both parties. They voted for it together, they ran it, funded it, there's no it was both but it was really Bush as your lame argument goes, it was both and the Senate and House, it was all of them. That ends with a period, not a but ...
BUT, we are in general agreement.
Not really, I think people are responsible for their own actions. You think they are, sort of, in a way, but they only get a responsibility break when they are Democrats. Entirely different things.
The war was a bad idea. I'd love Democrats to be on my side, but you're not. The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to. They did it hand in hand.
I oppose it because we need a better policy. To Democrats it's a finger pointing exercise while they continue the policy but don't follow through on it. It's pathetic
So far in our discussions you've been on the Democrat side every time. You're here saying they're guilty but not really it was W, that's sure not going to change my mind. Maybe if you argued fewer Democrat serving positions you'd not look like such a Democrat. Up to you. There are sure a lot of posters on the board I haven't seen disagree with Democrats ever for years though who say what you just did about not being one
kaz 14291443The big lie of the Iraq war was Democrats saying they were lied to.
Was Bush lying on October 16, 2002 when he answered a reporter's question?
"THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I have told the Prime Minister that my hope is, is that we could achieve a disarmament of the Iraqi regime peacefully. I haven't given up on the fact that we can achieve it peacefully. We have no plans to use our military until -- unless we need to. I explained to the Prime Minister, just like I explain to every citizen who is interested in this, the military is my last choice, not my first choice.
You have a problem with your analysis that Dems saying they were lied to is a big lie.
Do you believe Bush used the military as a last choice when Bush terminated peaceful UN inspections and Iraq's proactive cooperation in March 2003.
Why did Senator Clinton publically state on March 3 2003 that she wanted Bush to keep the inspections going so that military force would not need to be used?
Do you believe Clintion was lying and Bush told her the truth that using the military was his last choice?
