Obama approves of same sex marriage

[Neotrotsky]

It is statement of fact that blacks do no support Papa Obama on this issue
What effect is the question, especially combined with the high level of unemployment.
Sit out or vote different



Blacks voted by 2-1 margin for Amendment One

African-Americans voted 2-1 in favor of the North Carolina amendment banning gay marriage Tuesday, but the White House is betting that black voters there and beyond will stick with the president, despite broad resistance to legalization.

While there’s faith that African-Americans will turn out strong at the polls to protect Obama’s legacy, pollsters point out that while opposition to same-sex marriages has fallen in the black community, it’s still just a point shy of 50 percent — enough to affect black turnout, at least theoretically, in an election where every vote will matter.

Obama’s statement rocked the political world. But it also underscored a widely-held belief that African-American voters are closer to Republicans than Democrats when it comes to gay marriage..​

Yet, you think this one issue will change their votes?

I simply disagree with you two. Not going to happen. Romney isn't a Christian, Obama is. Romney is a Republican and elite. Obama is Democrat and "one of the guys".

In the long run, this issue is going to fade away and we're going to have Democrats waging class warfare. It will be "us" vs. them and the "us" are going to win.

Immie

It may change some- sure
Will he get the majority black vote- no doubt

But he really can't afford to lose any votes
is the real point, as I see it

 

[hjmick]

And yet Obama Still Has Not Signed 'Nondiscrimination Executive Order', go figure...

 

[Charles_Main]

Obama tells Robin Roberts of ABC.

Wow Shocker, Obama was full of shit and simply saying what he thought the Voters wanted to hear in 07. I would have never guessed.

I assume there will be a Parade of Liberals now, who love to point out Republican Flip Flops, who will give equal Attention to this one.

lol

 

[bigrebnc1775]

As a matter of fact I have, but not a lot.

I still don't agree with you.

I still think you have wishful thinking if you think any or very many pastors of black churches are going to tell their congregations to choose Romney over Obama.

Romney = rich, Republican, mormon, cultist, non-Christian, white
Obama = not-so-rich, Democrat, black, Christian

I simply don't see such a pastor choosing R over O in this case.

Immie

I really don't care if you agree or disagree I don't think the black turn out will be as strong this time because Black Pastors will not be firing up their congregation this go around. I said they will not choose they will stay home.

No doubt

An ABC/Washington Post polling shows 55% of black voters are still against it. That compares to 43% of whites.

Combine that dropping support among all groups including blacks
it could effect total vote
Will he still get the majority black vote- sure

But in this election, Papa Obama will need ever vote to win
He really can not afford to alienate any voters
anymore than he already has....

Yes yes and YES

 

[JimBowie1958]

They will say they disagree with him on gay marriage, but they'll support him. What's alternative?

Romney maybe?

Why do you assume that blacks HAVE to vote for other blacks?

 

[JimBowie1958]

And

it is a non factor for the majority in this election
the poor economy will overrule all else

God willing but not if the Democrats can help it.

Immie

It is interesting how you two and other 'conservatives' are so quick to gloss over what has happened here.

You really think that the millions of evangelicals, Traditional Roman catholics, fundamentalists and pentecostals are just going to say, ho hum' and completely disregard the fact that Obama supports gay marriage?

If so you are sadly out of touch with religious voters.

 

[sfcalifornia]

As a matter of fact I have, but not a lot.

I still don't agree with you.

I still think you have wishful thinking if you think any or very many pastors of black churches are going to tell their congregations to choose Romney over Obama.

Romney = rich, Republican, mormon, cultist, non-Christian, white
Obama = not-so-rich, Democrat, black, Christian

I simply don't see such a pastor choosing R over O in this case.

Immie

I really don't care if you agree or disagree I don't think the black turn out will be as strong this time because Black Pastors will not be firing up their congregation this go around. I said they will not choose they will stay home.

No doubt

An ABC/Washington Post polling shows 55% of black voters are still against it. That compares to 43% of whites.

Combine that dropping support among all groups including blacks
it could effect total vote
Will he still get the majority black vote- sure

But in this election, Papa Obama will need ever vote to win
He really can not afford to alienate any voters
anymore than he already has....

More specifically, Obama needs every vote in Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio to win. The other states are pretty much a done deal, regardless of a drop in the black vote.

 

[Barb]

Meh, marry, don't marry, honestly the issue means little to me except to say I see no reason they shouldn't have the right. So long as we don't start to see people suing churches to force them to perform same sex ceremonies I take no issue. And I speak as a borderline Atheist...

One question...

Is it a cop out for him to say it's an issue to be decided by the state?

That being said, what I am curious about is this...

Would this be considered a "flip-flop?" I know the ABC article essentially called it a "reversal" and our President has described his thoughts on the issue as "evolving..."

So when does it become a "flip-flop?" Or is this merely a description used to bash one's political opponents?

I think that, technically, a "flip flop" would be to hold forth 2 opposing positions within a reasonably short frame of time, the difference being in what venue one were at, and which audience was present.

For example, to be at the NRA and assure them that you believe there were too many regulations on the sale of fire-arms, and then a week or two later, to assure a different group, say one dedicate to increased regulations on fire arms because of the increased number of gun-related deaths, that you intend to increase the regulations on the sale of fire-arms. THAT would be flip-flopping.

I think that anyone presented with sufficient information to change their minds on an important issue should do so, and should come out and say they did.

I thought he was wrong 4 years ago, and I still think he's wrong on his refusal to advocate for the legalization of cannabis, but I'm glad he finally got behind marriage equality.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Meh, marry, don't marry, honestly the issue means little to me except to say I see no reason they shouldn't have the right. So long as we don't start to see people suing churches to force them to perform same sex ceremonies I take no issue. And I speak as a borderline Atheist...

One question...

Is it a cop out for him to say it's an issue to be decided by the state?

That being said, what I am curious about is this...

Would this be considered a "flip-flop?" I know the ABC article essentially called it a "reversal" and our President has described his thoughts on the issue as "evolving..."

So when does it become a "flip-flop?" Or is this merely a description used to bash one's political opponents?

I think that, technically, a "flip flop" would be to hold forth 2 opposing positions within a reasonably short frame of time, the difference being in what venue one were at, and which audience was present.

For example, to be at the NRA and assure them that you believe there were too many regulations on the sale of fire-arms, and then a week or two later, to assure a different group, say one dedicate to increased regulations on fire arms because of the increased number of gun-related deaths, that you intend to increase the regulations on the sale of fire-arms. THAT would be flip-flopping.

I think that anyone presented with sufficient information to change their minds on an important issue should do so, and should come out and say they did.

I thought he was wrong 4 years ago, and I still think he's wrong on his refusal to advocate for the legalization of cannabis, but I'm glad he finally got behind marriage equality.

Changing your mind every so often is acceptable for teenagers but we are talking about someone who is supposed to be an adult. Who by age 28 should have already had his views on issue's set. Adults do not change their mind then change their mind then go back to their previous views then change their mind again. Thats a sign of an unstable person and what type of leader would they make?

 

[JimBowie1958]

To debate that the pressures of population growth is not seriously damaging the environment is so ridiculous, it's not worth debating.

I think you would be surprised. I might start a new thread on that topic just for you, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Oh he thought what I said was racist? Maybe if he would stop thinking racist thoughts what I said would not be racist to him.

Heh!

Just look at your avatar showing a BIG dog and a rifle; two weapons that whites have used to slaughter blacks for millenia.

You should be ashamed but you are probably proud of all the bloodshed you blue-eyed devils have caused throughout humanities existance on this planet.

I would say REPENT! but you cant, as racism is hard coded into your DNA.

/just kidding

Man, that stuff is so easy to do and required almost no thought at all.

No wonder libtards say shit like that all the time. Well, except for the repent part.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Oh he thought what I said was racist? Maybe if he would stop thinking racist thoughts what I said would not be racist to him.

Heh!

Just look at your avatar showing a BIG dog and a rifle; two weapons that whites have used to slaughter blacks for millenia.

You should be ashamed but you are probably proud of all the bloodshed you blue-eyed devils have caused throughout humanities existance on this planet.

I would say REPENT! but you cant, as racism is hard coded into your DNA.

/just kidding

Man, that stuff is so easy to do and required almost no thought at all.

No wonder libtards say shit like that all the time. Well, except for the repent part.

I repent I am sorry blacks have sold their brothers and sisters into slavery. I truly am.

 

[usmcstinger]

A political calculation without question.

It doesn't matter how much whining the right does, there is no way they can stop this from becoming the law of the land.

Why? Because gays and supporters are gaining enough political power to demand it. It's that simple.

In America, rights are determined by what you can demand .. not by what is right, just, fair, humane, or what Jesus would do.

It's just that simple.

What reliable source did you get your information from?

U.S. Adults Estimate That 25% of Americans Are Gay or Lesbian

There is little reliable evidence about what percentage of the U.S. population is in reality gay or lesbian, due to few representative surveys asking about sexual orientation, complexities surrounding the groups and definitions involved, and the probability that some gay and lesbian individuals may not choose to identify themselves as such. Demographer Gary Gates last month released a review of population-based surveys on the topic, estimating that 3.5% of adults in the United States identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual, with bisexuals making up a slight majority of that figure. Gates also disputes the well-circulated statistic that "10% of the males are more or less exclusively homosexual."

How many gay people are there in the United States?
The Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law, a sexual orientation law and public policy think tank, estimates that 9 million (about 3.8%) of Americans identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender (2011). The institute also found that bisexuals make up 1.8% of the population, while 1.7% are gay or lesbian. Transgender adults make up 0.3% of the population. The Gay Population - Gay Population Statistics In The United States

If you base the political power of gays by their population, their political power will not be strong enough.

 

[Nosmo King]

You first was talking about rights. What happen to defending the right of a person who wants more that one spouse?

The same thing that happened to the rights of the guy who thinks burning his garbage in the middle of town is a good idea. Or the gal who thinks she has the 'right' to drive while texting.

The rights I'm advocating are the rights of sober, law abiding American citizens of the age of majority to enter a legally binding contract of marriage with the man or woman of his choosing. You're exploiting the word 'rights' to mean absolute freedom.

Americans have the right to equal justice and equal protection under the law. Americans do not have the absolute freedom to act as they please. No one has the right to shout FIRE! in a theater, yet all americans have the right to free speech.

No what you're doing is hitting the civil right flavor of the month. You're on the gay band wagon because it's the in thing to do. You aren't for protecting anyone's rights if your were you would also defend the abnormal right of someone who wants to have sex with animals. I for defending rights but not those of abnormal people.

And there's the kernel of truth we all suspect: you want to deny people rights because you see them as "abnormal". Fortunately adults with open minds, broader world views and deeper understanding of human nature are now calling for the abolition of this blatant and poorly conceived bigotry.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The same thing that happened to the rights of the guy who thinks burning his garbage in the middle of town is a good idea. Or the gal who thinks she has the 'right' to drive while texting.

The rights I'm advocating are the rights of sober, law abiding American citizens of the age of majority to enter a legally binding contract of marriage with the man or woman of his choosing. You're exploiting the word 'rights' to mean absolute freedom.

Americans have the right to equal justice and equal protection under the law. Americans do not have the absolute freedom to act as they please. No one has the right to shout FIRE! in a theater, yet all americans have the right to free speech.

No what you're doing is hitting the civil right flavor of the month. You're on the gay band wagon because it's the in thing to do. You aren't for protecting anyone's rights if your were you would also defend the abnormal right of someone who wants to have sex with animals. I for defending rights but not those of abnormal people.

And there's the kernel of truth we all suspect: you want to deny people rights because you see them as "abnormal". Fortunately adults with open minds, broader world views and deeper understanding of human nature are now calling for the abolition of this blatant and poorly conceived bigotry.

Why are you selective in who has rights and who don't have rights? Do people have the right to marry a family member? Does a person have the right to have as many spouses has they want? Does a person have the right to have sex with an animal?

 

[SniperFire]

No what you're doing is hitting the civil right flavor of the month. You're on the gay band wagon because it's the in thing to do. You aren't for protecting anyone's rights if your were you would also defend the abnormal right of someone who wants to have sex with animals. I for defending rights but not those of abnormal people.

And there's the kernel of truth we all suspect: you want to deny people rights because you see them as "abnormal". Fortunately adults with open minds, broader world views and deeper understanding of human nature are now calling for the abolition of this blatant and poorly conceived bigotry.

Why are you selective in who has rights and who don't have rights? Do people have the right to marry a family member? Does a person have the right to have as many spouses has they want? Does a person have the right to have sex with an animal?

This is where Lefty says 'yes', Bob can marry and breed with his mother and 6 sisters, and any traveling salesman can marry 85 wives and leave them stranded all across the nation if they so choose. But sheep cannot enter into a contract.'

But as we know, people decide contracts for animals, as any slaughterhouse in America proves.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

And there's the kernel of truth we all suspect: you want to deny people rights because you see them as "abnormal". Fortunately adults with open minds, broader world views and deeper understanding of human nature are now calling for the abolition of this blatant and poorly conceived bigotry.

Why are you selective in who has rights and who don't have rights? Do people have the right to marry a family member? Does a person have the right to have as many spouses has they want? Does a person have the right to have sex with an animal?

This is where Lefty says 'yes', Bob can marry and breed with his mother and 6 sisters, and any traveling salesman can marry 85 wives and leave them stranded all across the nation if they so choose. But sheep cannot enter into a contract.'

But as we know, people decide contracts for animals, as any slaughterhouse in America proves.

What's happen here is gay marriage is the civi rights flavor of the month, it's selective rights. Don't you know some must be given special rights over others.

 

[Nosmo King]

No what you're doing is hitting the civil right flavor of the month. You're on the gay band wagon because it's the in thing to do. You aren't for protecting anyone's rights if your were you would also defend the abnormal right of someone who wants to have sex with animals. I for defending rights but not those of abnormal people.

And there's the kernel of truth we all suspect: you want to deny people rights because you see them as "abnormal". Fortunately adults with open minds, broader world views and deeper understanding of human nature are now calling for the abolition of this blatant and poorly conceived bigotry.

Why are you selective in who has rights and who don't have rights? Do people have the right to marry a family member? Does a person have the right to have as many spouses has they want? Does a person have the right to have sex with an animal?

You are stretching as far as any bigot ever has! Bestiality is not the issue! It is a crime! Why? Consent!

And the contract set up by the state to accommodate marriage is a contract between TWO people, not a committee of a man and several women. If they want to form a family unit, they can become incorporated and have the corporation take responsibility for property and benefits and taxation.

And if someone finds a legal benefit to marrying a family member, why not? If marriage was only and exclusively about procreation, why would the state issue marriage licenses to post menopausal women?

 

[SniperFire]

! Bestiality is not the issue! It is a crime! Why? Consent!

Wait a minute.

Does a chicken consent to living its life in a tiny cage to lay eggs its entire life, only to be relegated to canned catfood at the end of its useful life?

 

[Nosmo King]

! Bestiality is not the issue! It is a crime! Why? Consent!

Wait a minute.

Does a chicken consent to living its life in a tiny cage to lay eggs its entire life, only to be relegated to canned catfood at the end of its useful life?

Chicken farms aren't illegal, but dog fighting rings are. It's abuse, you inept twit!

Sober, law abiding, tax paying American adult homosexuals are not committing a crime by being what they are, in spite of the ignorance, hatred and bigotry of the Conservatives in America.